Sorry, but there is simply no factual evidence that people are getting sicker than before.

None.
- Atomic Wedgie

Cancer rates have skyrocketed the last 75 years. By 2020 they estimate 1-3 Brits will have Cancer or Diabetes what planet have you been living on?

Sorry, but there is simply no factual evidence that people are getting sicker than before.

None.
- Atomic Wedgie

is obesity a sickness?

Life expectancies continue to rise, not fall.
- Atomic Wedgie

both one sided points

yes there is more disease.. because frankly.. we live unhealthier lives

however.. our health care is better now and compensates for that

life expectancy is not a good measuring stick when gauging how healthy a lifestyle is

Dude, if you think GMO isn't harmful, you have done no research at all.
- aminnes

you don't know what I do for a living G.

you don't know what I do for a living G.
- mykokes

If your part of the program then you've been taught about how great it is.

That's only because 95% of the wealth of the world is is the hands of literally a few thousand banking and corporate families. Heres the truth. These guys have been ransacking places like Africa for hundreds of years. If the whole world lived in one city say the density of NY, your looking at maybe filling up louisianna if your lucky, there overpopulation myth is put out by the people that own the wealth to create artificial scarcity and drive up prices. It's the oldest trick in the book.
- aminnes

Certainly plausible.


I doubt the planet could support close to its current population though if everyone lived like we do in NA

Sorry, but there is simply no factual evidence that people are getting sicker than before.

None.
- Atomic Wedgie

there's quite a bit actually.. but you need to also consider the technology they are testing with today as opposed to 30 years ago.

they can detect more now as well.. its not black and white

Cancer rates have skyrocketed the last 75 years. By 2020 they estimate 1-3 Brits will have Cancer or Diabetes what planet have you been living on?
- aminnes

Cancer rates have not skyrocketed. It's simply a mis-reading of statistics.

As treatments get better, less people die, and less people die quickly.

You add to that the aging population of Canada (or the US or Britain) and the fact that detection is so much better now, and it appears that cancer rates are going up. They aren't.

In fact, when you factor in the reduction in smoking, it looks even better.

I've been living on Planet Fact, thank you very much.

you don't know what I do for a living G.
- mykokes

there are two sides

both have relevant points and typically ignore the others

keep you genetically modified food.. we'll see who lives longer

Cancer rates have skyrocketed the last 75 years. By 2020 they estimate 1-3 Brits will have Cancer or Diabetes what planet have you been living on?
- aminnes

All this tells me is that 400 years of curses from the French are finally starting to take effect.

You do realize that cancer is mainly afflicts people in their later years and 75 years ago people didn't live as long. That fact skews the data. I'd need to see the cancer rates in young people/kids dramatically increasing for me to conclude it's becoming worse of a problem.

both one sided points

yes there is more disease.. because frankly.. we live unhealthier lives

however.. our health care is better now and compensates for that

life expectancy is not a good measuring stick when gauging how healthy a lifestyle is
- Dozzer

Actually, life expectancy is the single greatest measuring stick.

there are two sides

both have relevant points and typically ignore the others

keep you genetically modified food.. we'll see who lives longer
- Dozzer

the problem is you dont know if you are eating it or not..even if you think you arnt

Cancer rates have not skyrocketed. It's simply a mis-reading of statistics.

As treatments get better, less people die, and less people die quickly.

You add to that the aging population of Canada (or the US or Britain) and the fact that detection is so much better now, and it appears that cancer rates are going up. They aren't.

In fact, when you factor in the reduction in smoking, it looks even better.

I've been living on Planet Fact, thank you very much.
- Atomic Wedgie

Sadly, you're also living on Planet Fat.

I didn't say die, I said sick. get people sick and then med em till death, again, great for business.
- aminnes

You don't think the rise in fast food restaurants all over the globe has a role to play in this? Especially in terms of cardiovascular disease? Or simple mistakes in how we insulate our houses, asbestos, vermaculite etc. Or how about the fact that we're already living longer, and because our bodies are meant to break down eventually, it makes sense that eventually we all succomb to some sort of disease. Or the fact that our understanding of diseases has grown exponentially, including our diagnostics tools means we're able to explain death more. As for the high rates in cancer in Britain, I did mention that what they did with cattle in the 80s, 90s and event today is scary. Lots of inbreeding. Listen, i'm not saying that GMO's of the past were great, I'm saying things are changing very rapidly. Genomics is changing everything. And where GMO's are headed is far away from the whole frankenfood debacle of the 80s and 90s.

Cancer rates have skyrocketed the last 75 years. By 2020 they estimate 1-3 Brits will have Cancer or Diabetes what planet have you been living on?
- aminnes

The rates of scurvy have declined significantly though.

All this tells me is that 400 years of curses from the French are finally starting to take effect.

You do realize that cancer is mainly afflicts people in their later years and 75 years ago people didn't live as long. That fact skews the data. I'd need to see the cancer rates in young people/kids dramatically increasing for me to conclude it's becoming worse of a problem.
- 1979AD

More people are dying of old age than ever before.

So apparently it's now more dangerous to be old than it ever was.

Cancer rates have not skyrocketed. It's simply a mis-reading of statistics.

As treatments get better, less people die, and less people die quickly.

You add to that the aging population of Canada (or the US or Britain) and the fact that detection is so much better now, and it appears that cancer rates are going up. They aren't.

In fact, when you factor in the reduction in smoking, it looks even better.

I've been living on Planet Fact, thank you very much.
- Atomic Wedgie

you live on planet bias really

you cant ignore there is a trend the population is taking that is leading to unhealthier lifestyles.. childhood obesity is way up for example.

we are unhealthier.. but it isnt fair to compare eras.. the testing is different.

Sadly, you're also living on Planet Fat.
- fifty__missions

Incorrect.

It's these jeans that make my ass look big.

Certainly plausible.


I doubt the planet could support close to its current population though if everyone lived like we do in NA
- robin_steele264

Totally could. Again it's not us, that's how they get so rich. Have us looking at each other and making sure everyones doing there best to "sustain" yet the worst stuff going is coming from the corporations. If people think our way of life is unsustainable they will be willing to pay more for things without questioning why.

More people are dying of old age than ever before.

So apparently it's now more dangerous to be old than it ever was.
- Atomic Wedgie

"live fast, die young, leave a good looking corpse."

All this tells me is that 400 years of curses from the French are finally starting to take effect.

You do realize that cancer is mainly afflicts people in their later years and 75 years ago people didn't live as long. That fact skews the data. I'd need to see the cancer rates in young people/kids dramatically increasing for me to conclude it's becoming worse of a problem.
- 1979AD

My other favourite misreading of stats:

At the height of the Vietnam War, there were more deaths per 1,000 in the children's ward of X hospital than amongst troops in Vietnam.

So it was safer to be fighting in Vietnam than to be born at that hospital?

Cancer rates have not skyrocketed. It's simply a mis-reading of statistics.

As treatments get better, less people die, and less people die quickly.

You add to that the aging population of Canada (or the US or Britain) and the fact that detection is so much better now, and it appears that cancer rates are going up. They aren't.

In fact, when you factor in the reduction in smoking, it looks even better.

I've been living on Planet Fact, thank you very much.
- Atomic Wedgie

We're not talking about whether people die of cancer, I'm saying more - way more are getting cancer. And then they pay enormous money and stay alive longer than before.
Your points are totally bogus. Alseimers, Diabetes, Cancer, Autism, Etc have all been steadily rising. Agian, people aren't dying as early, but they are medicated for many more years than before.

Totally could. Again it's not us, that's how they get so rich. Have us looking at each other and making sure everyones doing there best to "sustain" yet the worst stuff going is coming from the corporations. If people think our way of life is unsustainable they will be willing to pay more for things without questioning why.
- aminnes

There's not enough oil for 7-8 billion people to live like us.



As well as other resources... Like water... Food.


I don't buy into that conspiracy.

If your part of the program then you've been taught about how great it is.
- aminnes

I'm a journalist, biotechnology focus. And one of the biggest complaints of scientists in this field is the media propaganda that fills this field. Every industry has the have and have nots. I mention the word pharma and I imagine you immediately picture these rich companies that sell drugs to the world and make huge profits. Fact is there are a few companies like that, living off patents that are about to expire. But the majority of companies are struggling to get by, made up of entrepreneurs that have a eureka moment and do their best to try and get investors to back them. But investors don't want to wait 12 years for a return on investment (common time frame for drugs to go from preclinical all the way to Phase3 and commercialization.)

The GMO's you are rippping have no ties really to where we are going especially in terms genomics. They're simply scientist accidently figuring things out without having the entire map of the product they're messing with. ie. like labotomy's on mental patients. Things have changed, and will continue to change.

The rates of scurvy have declined significantly though.
- The Law

That's why I always put saeurkraut on my street-meat hot dogs.

It makes it a healthy meal.

Thank you, Captain Cook.