I'm not arguing you, if this completely spectulative trade actually happened and the Leafs took Druin I wouldn't be unhappy.
- BetterCallSaul

Same Iunno for some reason i am really sketchy about drafting a european, thats why burke skipped on grigorenko and took rielly..

I believe that Carlyle may be one of the best coaches in the league right now.

The difference between the way we played the Bruins and the way everyone else has tried is coaching.

Carlyle was in Julien's head all series and he worked the line matching against him. Not to mention that they went at Chara all series.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Agreed. THe only mistake Carlyle made (contrary to the know it alls on the armchairs), was he wore a yellow tie and black suit in game one and we got cranked bc of it lolll.

The Leafs hit about 10 a game, whats your point? We would've pumped you guys with the effort you gave.
- Rysko81

Pens match-up way differently against a Leafs team than they do against the Bruins. Not to say that Carlyle couldn't have outcoached Bylsma based on what we saw in the ECF...

They don't NEED to get rid of him. He's still productive.





And I'm willing to bet if he's traded, it's for Luongo.
- Pecafan Fan

Dude, they so badly need to get rid of his contract it makes my butt hurt.

And I don't like being all butt-hurt.

Another 7 years, at a cap hit of almost $8 million.

And lots of pain if he retires early.

I agree with you that Kulemin is worth squat, but c'mon - Tampa needs to shed Vinny.

I'm not arguing you, if this completely spectulative trade actually happened and the Leafs took Druin I wouldn't be unhappy.
- BetterCallSaul

i'd rather take barkov over drouin

Gotta think Komarov jetting back to Moscow has pushed the issue to bring Orr back

i'd rather take barkov over drouin
- matt1337

Wouldn't be against Barkov. I think Finns play the closest game to Canadians/Americans, if you watch them play internationally they fuse grit and skill better than the other Euro countries.

Gotta think Komarov jetting back to Moscow has pushed the issue to bring Orr back
- t_leafs21

Because if you can't have an apple, you should get an orange?

Did you take a look at this trade proposal?

Vinny Lecavalier + 3rd overall pick (potential franchise player)

in return of a UFA to be, Kulemin who's been terrible for 2 years straight and a bunch of random picks thrown in for good measure.

I mean, Come on...
- Pecafan Fan

Haven't watched any Leaf games eh, just look at the stats? Please keep commenting though, it only serves to make you look dumber.

What has Nichushkin done or proof that he is the better player than drouin? Or comparable to guys like kopitar or malkin in their younger years playing in the KHL,SEL, etc

Its basically contradicting ourselves, example last year we picked morgan rielly, why didnt we pick grigorenko? Posted alot of points no? Big body, big frame? Was a centerman that we dont have alot of? But we picked morgan rielly.
- Mapleleafs_91

You're not going to find any "proof" that any one of these guys is better than the other. If you could, the draft would be pretty straightforward.

Nichushkin is playing in the KHL at 17. VERY few players make that jump in the European leagues by that age, and even fewer play full time. His point totals are actually pretty comparable to Malkin's at the same age. That said, Kulemin's weren't too far off either, IIRC.

Throw in that the kid is big and fast (again, at just 17, he's 6'3 and built), and you have a solid combination.

Drouin is my favourite player in the draft... I am not convinced his game will transfer well to the NHL. He is also the last thing he Leafs need in terms of skillset.... Undersized winger...... we need size, a centre and defensive defenseman
- jribout

YES

Wouldn't be against Barkov. I think Finns play the closest game to Canadians/Americans, if you watch them play internationally they fuse grit and skill better than the other Euro countries.
- BetterCallSaul

if we did get the 3rd overall, i would trade down a spot to get extra assets and grab barkov, or, trade down to 6, and grab monahan, while adding something from calgary (they are stupid so might be something useful)

Meh. If the Leafs can't wait for any youngsters (current owned or future from picks) to fill those roles then flip the picks and prospects for a player that will who would be more effective than Lecavalier.

If I was in Nonis' shoes and the Leafs' owners okayed the $$$ spending, I'd do two deals of this sort, one with Tampa and the other with NYI and use the two compliance buyouts on Lecavalier and DePietro. Then either use all those prospects and picks for the roster or flip them all for a proven player like, I don't know, Stamkos. (Weird to be involving Tampa again but I would love to see Stamkos in a Leafs jersey. Man crush! )

Or forget about NYI altogether and just focus on Tampa. Work out a deal such that the Leafs get Vinny to buy out and Vinny resigns with Tampa, ship Stamkos and Tampa's first for Toronto's first this year and next and a few players. I'd be willing to part with Kuley then and whoever else plus likely any prospect other than Reilly.

The Leafs can't outspend any team cap-wise anymore (tanking and drafting a real franchise superstar will never happen) so use that money in ways that can be taken advantage of. Do you think Bettman would block those transactions that help out Tampa and NYI fiscally when those two franchises have been firm supporters of Bettman? Not a chance.
- lister

You like to waste alot of time dont you? Yours and other peoples

Dude, they so badly need to get rid of his contract it makes my butt hurt.

And I don't like being all butt-hurt.

Another 7 years, at a cap hit of almost $8 million.

And lots of pain if he retires early.

I agree with you that Kulemin is worth squat, but c'mon - Tampa needs to shed Vinny.
- Atomic Wedgie

I think a lot of people are missing that to some teams can't afford buyouts and will gladly trade their problems away for millions of dollars in relief

if we did get the 3rd overall, i would trade down a spot to get extra assets and grab barkov, or, trade down to 6, and grab monahan, while adding something from calgary (they are stupid so might be something useful)
- matt1337

I think a lot of people are missing that to some teams can't afford buyouts and will gladly trade their problems away for millions of dollars in relief
- mmold

its possibly the best situation for the leafs. they better reward us since we are paying for the tickets and merchandise

- poohcrumbs

cause we need more undersized wingers?

Trade the poopty Pick 21 and Grabo for Bobby Ryan or Dustin Byfuglien

Pens match-up way differently against a Leafs team than they do against the Bruins. Not to say that Carlyle couldn't have outcoached Bylsma based on what we saw in the ECF...
- magmoo

It would have been closer, but the Leafs would have taken the body on them just as much which I felt was an xfactor in the Bos-Pitt series.

cause we need more undersized wingers?
- matt1337

Who said that? The thin air?

Dude, they so badly need to get rid of his contract it makes my butt hurt.

And I don't like being all butt-hurt.

Another 7 years, at a cap hit of almost $8 million.

And lots of pain if he retires early.

I agree with you that Kulemin is worth squat, but c'mon - Tampa needs to shed Vinny.
- Atomic Wedgie

I agree. I read that the year TB made the conference finals against Boston, they lost 20 million dollars. How many home playoff games did they get that year - pure profit for the home team - and they still lost money? Yikes.

I know that some people find these player for cash deals silly, but we're selling a life preserver to a drowning man here. Teams might be more inclined to pay the price (draft picks especially, which don't cost them anything) than some think.

You're not going to find any "proof" that any one of these guys is better than the other. If you could, the draft would be pretty straightforward.

Nichushkin is playing in the KHL at 17. VERY few players make that jump in the European leagues by that age, and even fewer play full time. His point totals are actually pretty comparable to Malkin's at the same age. That said, Kulemin's weren't too far off either, IIRC.

Throw in that the kid is big and fast (again, at just 17, he's 6'3 and built), and you have a solid combination.
- Dirte

Thanks . He's also stated in every interview that he wants to play in the NHL. Not that the KHL won't come calling down the road.

Haven't watched any Leaf games eh, just look at the stats? Please keep commenting though, it only serves to make you look dumber.
- SameOld

Physical role players don't mean anything, we covered it yesterday.

Same Iunno for some reason i am really sketchy about drafting a european, thats why burke skipped on grigorenko and took rielly..
- Mapleleafs_91

leafs were between Morgan Rielly and Hempus Lindholm.
Grigorenko was never an option.

I agree. I read that the year TB made the conference finals against Boston, they lost 20 million dollars. How many home playoff games did they get that year - pure profit for the home team - and they still lost money? Yikes.

I know that some people find these player for cash deals silly, but we're selling water to a drowning man here. Teams might be more inclined to pay the price (draft picks especially, which don't cost them anything) than some think.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Although much more minor but people seem to forget how we got Franson.