apparently renney had no previous experience before Edmonton...
ya learn something new everyday
- hugefemale dog77

When Renney was with the Rangers they had the best PK in the league. But apparently that's not a prerequisite for a veteran coach.

apparently renney had no previous experience before Edmonton...
ya learn something new everyday
- hugefemale dog77

ok il admit when im wrong unlike u who think u know so much[ was wrong about renney didn't look it up thought he was only an assistant to babcock sorry 4 that. im thinking as in when we do make the playoffs, who do u seriously c the nuge or eberle or even Shultz winning a puck battle against the boards with? and b honest. I may be wrong about Eakins an I hope I am but I don't understand why u hire some1 with no experience maybe mact will help him I hope.

ok il admit when im wrong unlike u who think u know so much
- time2produce[ was wrong about renney didn't look it up thought he was only an assistant to babcock sorry 4 that. im thinking as in when we do make the playoffs, who do u seriously c the nuge or eberle or even Shultz winning a puck battle against the boards with? and b honest. I may be wrong about Eakins an I hope I am but I don't understand why u hire some1 with no experience maybe mact will help him I hope.

Its simple he is a younger version of MacT and is very good at developing kids as he has done the last couple of years for the Marlies. He demands that his players be in peak physical shape, and play their asses off and his players respect the hell out of him.

Wow you're a real debbie downer of an Oilers fan. And a pretty uneducated one at that. Our kids are the only ones on the team that have been competing. The vets we have are useless. Its been said countless times by analysts, announcers, coaches, bloggers, and fans. I don't know what team you're watching.
- Ihatebrianburke

I never once said anything about the vets being good. im just being honest about r young guns sure during the regular season they can make some nice plays but every time we play a team that checks where r they than an what is the score? im being honest watched every game of the oilers I can and ive never seen eberle nuge or even hall battling in the corners or even throw a check little own win the battle which is what the playoffs r all about.

ok il admit when im wrong unlike u who think u know so much
- time2produce[ was wrong about renney didn't look it up thought he was only an assistant to babcock sorry 4 that. im thinking as in when we do make the playoffs, who do u seriously c the nuge or eberle or even Shultz winning a puck battle against the boards with? and b honest. I may be wrong about Eakins an I hope I am but I don't understand why u hire some1 with no experience maybe mact will help him I hope.

he hired him cause he thinks he has a similar vision to what he (mact) has and can coach this team to success obviously. if mact thought AV was the right man for the job, he woulda hired him. time will tell if hes right or wrong, but to say unequivocally that we needed another recycled coach is silly.

many first time hires have worked out beautifully. gotta start somewhere. and its not like he has no experience coaching and developing kids at the pro level. its actually been his MO thus far. ask jake gardiner, matt frattin and nazem kadri what he's done for their careers thus far.

and our kids aren't ever gonna be physical specimens and wrecking balls downlow in puck battles, but neither are krejci, kane, frolik, etc etc. and yet they remain effective.
its no secret that our core is smallish, but that's not to say they're useless at anything other than stick handling. we have our core, now we need to surround them with grit, size and players that are tough to play against that can create space for them, draw defenders and make it possible to win those battles.
Eakins made it pretty clear, he's not gonna play an LA kings style. we probably cant. he wants to play a puck possession game. u play to your strengths right? think Detroit hopefully.

and tell pavel datysuk he cant win any puck battles.

Its simple he is a younger version of MacT and is very good at developing kids as he has done the last couple of years for the Marlies. He demands that his players be in peak physical shape, and play their asses off and his players respect the hell out of him.
- Ihatebrianburke

I hope so, mact should have coached this team rather than GM in my opionion. sorry 2 say this but wasn't kruger and micheal Jackson both good with kids? howd that work out 4 them? I realize he helped kadri, but I think the kids have the skill they don't need help there, they need compete, saw games this year when they were losing and laughing on the bench. itll b good 2 c how the kids respond to Eakins being a hard ass when the last 2 coaches kissed it hope they don't quit on him. maybe with horcoff and hemsky gone, I hope these kids will grab the reins and not look back, lets hope

I never once said anything about the vets being good. im just being honest about r young guns sure during the regular season they can make some nice plays but every time we play a team that checks where r they than an what is the score? im being honest watched every game of the oilers I can and ive never seen eberle nuge or even hall battling in the corners or even throw a check little own win the battle which is what the playoffs r all about.
- time2produce

wtf?

you're confusing size with willingness.

and tell jonas brodin that hall doesn't hit

he may get visibly discouraged sometimes, but hall is all battle.
nuge isn't poor downlow either, he just lacks the bulk to be extremely effective. he'll get stronger.

he hired him cause he thinks he has a similar vision to what he (mact) has and can coach this team to success obviously. if mact thought AV was the right man for the job, he woulda hired him. time will tell if hes right or wrong, but to say unequivocally that we needed another recycled coach is silly.

many first time hires have worked out beautifully. gotta start somewhere. and its not like he has no experience coaching and developing kids at the pro level. its actually been his MO thus far. ask jake gardiner, matt frattin and nazem kadri what he's done for their careers thus far.

and our kids aren't ever gonna be physical specimens and wrecking balls downlow in puck battles, but neither are krejci, kane, frolik, etc etc. and yet they remain effective.
its no secret that our core is smallish, but that's not to say they're useless at anything other than stick handling. we have or core, now we need to surround our talent with some grit, size and players that are tough to play against that can create space for them, draw defenders and make it possible to win those battles.
Eakins made it pretty clear, he's not gonna play an LA kings style. we cant. he wants to play a puck possession game. u play to your strengths right? think Detroit hopefully.

and tell pavel datysuk he cant win any puck battles.
- hugefemale dog77

ur argument is as unvalid as mine im just saying I think we should have hired experience but like u said time will tell. datysuk is one of the greatest 2way players in the game and hes awesome but his first 5yrs not so much. comparing datsyuk to the nuge just cause tsn analysts say there familiar is a joke. im one of the biggest nuge supporters there is but im also honest 2 if he doesn't add size he wont compete when times r tuff. I met nuge this summer and I joked with him he needs size I not a big guy by know means an I made him look small.

ur argument is as unvalid as mine im just saying I think we should have hired experience but like u said time will tell. datysuk is one of the greatest 2way players in the game and hes awesome but his first 5yrs not so much. comparing datsyuk to the nuge just cause tsn analysts say there familiar is a joke. im one of the biggest nuge supporters there is but im also honest 2 if he doesn't add size he wont compete when times r tuff. I met nuge this summer and I joked with him he needs size I not a big guy by know means an I made him look small.
- time2produce

how is it invalid? an opinion is just an opinion. but an opinion based on solid intel and facts is something else altogether. eakins' philosophy makes sense for this team. read the post again.

u said our guys cant win puck battles and I explained the nuances of what it takes.

I also didn't compare the nuge with datyuk. I just named a bunch of 'smaller' players that are extremely effective in the playoffs.

and at the end of the day, I didn't shout from the rooftops that Eakins is gonna bring us to the promise land. regardless if im optimistic about his hiring, this all started with your utter refusal to accept that it could possibly be the right hire.
and I then attempted to again explain the nuances of why it could be, and at least at first look is better than any of those vets u named.

read it again

I hate 2b a hater lol but ive been a fan 4ever and am getting so sick of just saying o this is r year. I want this team to compete that if it takes a big trade or rookie coach or whatever they do to make it happen im for it. but im also not going to lie either an say im happy with this team when all it does in a year is add 3 no names and not even try 2 improve this team at the trade deadline. I never once said they need size I said compete the reasons I used all small players who compete marchand,shaw,bolland,

no it isn't. eakins' philosophy makes sense for this team. read it again.

u said our guys cant win puck battles and I explained the nuances of what it takes.

I also didn't compare the nuge with datyuk. I just named a bunch of 'smaller' players that are extremely effective in the playoffs.

and at the end of the day, I didn't shout from the rooftops that Eakins is gonna bring us to the promise land. regardless if im optimistic about his hiring, this all started with your utter refusal to accept that it could possibly be the right hire.
and I then attempted to again explain the nuances of why it could be, and at least at first look is better than any of those vets u named.
I hate arguing about the team I love I just c all the holes and how far we r actually from being a good team it pisses me off from time to time. I seriously hope Eakins is the next scotty bowmen not hating on him personally just thought some experience couldn't hurt especially since AV is in r division and has an awesome record plus he was fired cause he couldn't get the sedin sisters going, which coach could.
read it again
- hugefemale dog77

I hate 2b a hater lol but ive been a fan 4ever and am getting so sick of just saying o this is r year. I want this team to compete that if it takes a big trade or rookie coach or whatever they do to make it happen im for it. but im also not going to lie either an say im happy with this team when all it does in a year is add 3 no names and not even try 2 improve this team at the trade deadline. I never once said they need size I said compete the reasons I used all small players who compete marchand,shaw,bolland,
- time2produce

I don't think theres too many players with a higher compete level than hall. and I don't think the nuge is extremely passive either. its his style. he's calm and makes it look easy and effortless. but I don't think this indicates any lack of compete. I wouldn't want him running around like his hairs on fire anyway. that's not his game... just sayin.

and it sounds like u expected far too much. tambs tore it down completely and started a rebuild. he attempted to fill obvious holes, but played it safe and didn't risk much. no point in getting the high pick and dealing it away. or even spending huge dollars on a player that is probably only gonna marginally help us anyway. we've shown some detailed improvement, and very minor tangible improvement.
but it's been there.

did u actually think any of the last 3 years was 'gonna be our year'?

year 4 coming, new gm and the playoffs are the realistic goal and would be a huge disappointment if we missed. now is the time to make some bold moves (like trading our first etc etc) and possibly throw some money at a free agent.

we can certainly agree on one thing. its been a painful and frustrating few years and im over the losing.

however, I do think it was neccasary. our strategy for the better part of a decade just wasn't producing results and a change in direction was needed imo.
it really wasn't any better battling for 8th every year and usually missing, but even if we made it, never a real contender

hopefully we're past the worst of it

we can certainly agree on one thing. its been a painful and frustrating few years and im over the losing.

however, I do think it was neccasary. our strategy for the better part of a decade just wasn't producing results and a change in direction was needed imo.
it really wasn't any better battling for 8th every year and usually missing, but even if we made it, never a real contender

hopefully we're past the worst of it
- hugefemale dog77

agreed u r right about hall just wish he hit more but not his job I guess plus he had a healing shoulder 2boot. hes got 2 watch the turnovers though. I meant to put eberle there but wasn't going 2 make a new post saying that. the reason I say trade eberle out of them is hes easiest to replace, nuge only C, yakupov potential 40 goal scorer, Shultz only D, hall future captain if not sam. so that's my reasons for why eberle but he has sick hands an one of the best backhands in the league. im not saying just give him away but if we had to give up one for that top line D we need so bad hes my choice

agreed u r right about hall just wish he hit more but not his job I guess plus he had a healing shoulder 2boot. hes got 2 watch the turnovers though. I meant to put eberle there but wasn't going 2 make a new post saying that. the reason I say trade eberle out of them is hes easiest to replace, nuge only C, yakupov potential 40 goal scorer, Shultz only D, hall future captain if not sam. so that's my reasons for why eberle but he has sick hands an one of the best backhands in the league. im not saying just give him away but if we had to give up one for that top line D we need so bad hes my choice
- time2produce

I don't think we need to move any of em to acquire the pieces we need to move forward. nor do I want to as ebs is as clutch as they come.. but if we were to move one of them, eberle would probably the one to go first

What's up dippy

I second this motion.
- Ihatebrianburke

You wish i'd die - thanks my man, just shows what an idiot you are as well.

Team 1200 said:

EDM: Horcoff, Hemsky

PIT: Fleury...

Thanks for your tremendous insight -- I gained 25 points on my IQ just by reading it.

The fact that you don't realize when the joke's on you by not realizing there are quality writers who work hard on this site...is just sad. You clearly have the blogger you deserve, so more power to you.
- AllInForFlyers

Where did he say there weren't quality writers on the site?

You've progressed from slamming the blogger to slamming posters. Clearly you're not here to discuss hockey.

Given the number of years sinceFlyers won a cup there's certainly reason to question the direction the Flyers are headed. While certainly not 71 the defensive core is old.

Unfortunately the laughs on you. Cloutier got you in the boat without even baiting the hook.

You know, it's one thing to not really care about other teams, not follow them. You've always been open about that -- you care about the Edmonton Oilers. That's who you blog about. So no real harm done there.

But does that mean you feel the need to sound like an absolute clown when you post something like this: The comedy in all of this is, the Flyers had a cap issue to cope with before they acquired Streit. The player wants around $5mil per season; meaning, the Flyers cap problem is about to go from bad to worse. If you ask me, and I'm just a peasant I realize, the Flyers should be more concerned about adding young pieces to take over when the vets move on. The current average age of the D on the team is 71.

That last sentence is laughable. It's mind-blowing in its sheer ignorance, to the degree that you not only embarrass yourself, you embarrass any credibility this website has.

Before acquiring Streit, the Flyers' top 6 defensemen were Kimmo Timonen at age 38, Braydon Coburn at age 28, Nicklas Grossmann at age 27, Luke Schenn at age 23, Andrej Meszaros at age 27, and Bruno Gervais at age 28.

Their seventh defenseman is Erik Gustafsson, who is 23 years old.

Again, it's one thing to care about your team. That's fine. But there's no excuse whatsoever to be so ridiculously ignorant, it jars people from reading what you wrote because it's so blatantly incorrect.


- AllInForFlyers

Relax there Flyer Fan. You Little Baby, I didn't realize your so sensitive!!!!

Team 1200 said:

EDM: Horcoff, Hemsky

PIT: Fleury...
- Oilers4Life14

Your out of your mind!!! Maybe a bag of pucks

Where did he say there weren't quality writers on the site?

You've progressed from slamming the blogger to slamming posters. Clearly you're not here to discuss hockey.

Given the number of years sinceFlyers won a cup there's certainly reason to question the direction the Flyers are headed. While certainly not 71 the defensive core is old.

Unfortunately the laughs on you. Cloutier got you in the boat without even baiting the hook.



- Sabata

Question the direction of the Flyers? Why would I do that?

The Flyers have missed the playoffs fewer times in 44 years than the Oilers have...since 2006.

Winning the cup...no, they haven't won it. That is a true statement. But the point stands that the blogger who wanted the Oilers to acquire Mark Streit is totally unaware that the Flyers' defense is actually as young as Edmonton's...but the Flyers' "needs to add young pieces?"

If I'm sensitive, what are you people who are defending a blogger whose information provided is shoddy at best and who you complain about incessantly yourselves? Or do you think this is the first time I've read posts from you, or anyone else on this site?

I've read you guys for years. Registered months ago. So please, don't act like me calling out your blogger for weak performance is something that is so new and fresh and different that the readership is stunned.

Question the direction of the Flyers? Why would I do that?

The Flyers have missed the playoffs fewer times in 44 years than the Oilers have...since 2006.

Winning the cup...no, they haven't won it. That is a true statement. But the point stands that the blogger who wanted the Oilers to acquire Mark Streit is totally unaware that the Flyers' defense is actually as young as Edmonton's...but the Flyers' "needs to add young pieces?"

If I'm sensitive, what are you people who are defending a blogger whose information provided is shoddy at best and who you complain about incessantly yourselves? Or do you think this is the first time I've read posts from you, or anyone else on this site?

I've read you guys for years. Registered months ago. So please, don't act like me calling out your blogger for weak performance is something that is so new and fresh and different that the readership is stunned.
- AllInForFlyers

That is the problem, most of the regulars here don't even read the blog but come here to chat with other fans. It gets really tiring reading all of this tripe, yes we know, Cloutier is just a fan like the rest of us and has no insider knowledge. Horse is dead, quit beating it.

Khaira ~ Martindale ~ Pelss
Zharkov ~ Pitlick ~ Rajala
Paajarvi ~ Gagner ~Yakupov
Hall ~ RNH ~ Eberle

Klefbom ~ Marincin
Musil ~ Gernat
Fedun ~ Simpson
Davidson

Roy
Bunz
- laughs2907

In light of new events that top line is unattainable...is there any actual confirmed reports that Pelss committed suicide? Just saw this on twitter...

I hope you read that article. Whitney was cancer. Him being gone automatically moves EDM up 3 spots in the standings. Nothing to replace but a dead limb crippling them
- TheNugeIsHuge

This!