"If you rely solely
- Talkshowhost[on analytics], you do it at your own peril," says MacTavish, who played 1,093 NHL games. "Nobody's figured out a fail-safe method, not in baseball, football, hockey or soccer. But you're foolish not to be [looking at them], either."

MAC T approved.

btw, here is some light reading.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/...-advanced-statistics.html


They are useful measures, and you can willingly ignorant all you want but they are here to stay. So maybe try and keep up?

this quote is great

This year, Boston, Dallas, Edmonton, Tampa Bay, Vancouver and Washington were there. Technically, Anaheim attended too, although Brian Burke spent more time ripping statistical analysis than praising it.

Who needs it (*miss the playoffs 4 years in a row)

Old people will always dismiss new methods/approaches simply because they're new.
- 1979AD

That is two shots at me, want to try a third?

If the Leafs were losing Komarov, Frattin, McClement, and Orr your argument might be applicable.

And winning the cup, then losing in the first round for two years before making the cup finals again isn't the saddest story I've ever heard.
- 1979AD

that's cute. All I was doing was agreeing with the origional post anyways. If you don't agree that losing a heart and soul guy that played on the edge like Tucker who we haven't had since Tucker is no big deal and is easily replaceable that's your opinion, but I don't agree.

Sticks and stones, btw booked a room at Skyline Inn and Fallsview Indoor Waterpark upgrade.
- LeafMan

Nice.

For us, the key was timing. Get there as soon as it opens and splash around for an hour or two. When the crowds come (and they do) get outta there.

Then go back from about 6:30 pm to closing.

Other than that, I recommend getting the heck out of Niagara Falls (after you've seen the Falls, of course).

IIRC, there's a pretty good wading pool in the main park in Niagara on the Lake.

And if you are looking for a good place for a lunch, I recommend a couple of places in NOTL: the Angel Inn (it's haunted!). Try the peach and chicken pie (yeah, I know, sounds weird, but trust me).

http://angel-inn.com/

http://angel-inn.com/mainmenu.pdf

Or go to the Niagara on the Lake Golf Club (North America's oldest!) where you can grab a simple lunch and sit outside. Nice views. Nice breeze.

http://www.notlgolf.com/

Here's the patio:

In what sense?
- UsernameUnknown

He didn't really do anything.

Thanks, but not interested in advanced stats, I rather watch with my own eyes and form my own conclusions.
- LeafMan

I do something crazy and do both.

probably why I like Baseball, stats fascinate me

Nice.

For us, the key was timing. Get there as soon as it opens and splash around for an hour or two. When the crowds come (and they do) get outta there.

Then go back from about 6:30 pm to closing.

Other than that, I recommend getting the heck out of Niagara Falls (after you've seen the Falls, of course).

IIRC, there's a pretty good wading pool in the main park in Niagara on the Lake.

And if you are looking for a good place for a lunch, I recommend a couple of places in NOTL: the Angel Inn (it's haunted!). Try the peach and chicken pie (yeah, I know, sounds weird, but trust me).

http://angel-inn.com/

http://angel-inn.com/mainmenu.pdf

Or go to the Niagara on the Lake Golf Club (North America's oldest!) where you can grab a simple lunch and sit outside. Nice views. Nice breeze.

http://www.notlgolf.com/

Here's the patio:


- Atomic Wedgie

Nice, thanks, I don't know if we will get her out of the waterpark, lol

That is two shots at me, want to try a third?
- LeafMan

I don't remember the first, and won't try the third without a reason to, so we'll have to wait and see I guess.

He didn't really do anything.
- AdamFrench

Pk'er?

176ish Hits, led all rookies?

Our first decent pest since the Domi days?

Just because a 4th liner didn't score much doesn't mean he didn't do anything at all.

that's cute. All I was doing was agreeing with the origional post anyways. If you don't agree that losing a heart and soul guy that played on the edge like Tucker who we haven't had since Tucker is no big deal and is easily replaceable that's your opinion, but I don't agree.
- Jay Uller

You're seriously comparing Leo Komarov to Darcy Tucker. Talk about cute.

that's cute. All I was doing was agreeing with the origional post anyways. If you don't agree that losing a heart and soul guy that played on the edge like Tucker who we haven't had since Tucker is no big deal and is easily replaceable that's your opinion, but I don't agree.
- Jay Uller

This is why we get clarkson

He didn't really do anything.
- AdamFrench

You mean other than hit ,and pester, wear the opponent down physically and mentally, and give the leafs a much needed fearless physical presence?

He didn't really do anything.
- AdamFrench

Let's be fair. Fred Sjostrom literally did nothing. Komarov did do some things.

that's cute. All I was doing was agreeing with the origional post anyways. If you don't agree that losing a heart and soul guy that played on the edge like Tucker who we haven't had since Tucker is no big deal and is easily replaceable that's your opinion, but I don't agree.
- Jay Uller

Really?

So now Leo Komarov - a guy who played a total of 49 games for the Leafs - was the heart and soul of the club?

Really?

For eff's sakes, he was a 4th liner, and on the 2nd PK unit.

Oh, and he could trash talk in four languages.

You'll forgive me if I don't sign your online petition to have his number honoured by the Leafs.

You mean other than hit ,and pester, wear the opponent down physically and mentally, and give the leafs a much needed physical presence?
- JIMI-JAMES

Did he really?

He threw his hits sure.

But the bolded...

You're seriously comparing Leo Komarov to Darcy Tucker. Talk about cute.
- 1979AD

Here's a thought. Instead of paying komarov 1.5-2M, lets say he gets 2M if he signed with us, wouldn't it be a smarter move to use that 2M toward signing a guy like clarkson

You mean other than hit ,and pester, wear the opponent down physically and mentally, and give the leafs a much needed fearless physical presence?
- JIMI-JAMES

Looks like it's you, Me, and Jay until the bitter end.

Hold me

its not something you live an die by, you take it with any other stats, its a way to calculate probabilities etc.. some people just dismiss it because they don't understand it.
- senstroll

Or the stats don't look good for their team of choice.

Pk'er?

176ish Hits, led all rookies?

Our first decent pest since the Domi days?

Just because a 4th liner didn't score much doesn't mean he didn't do anything at all.
- UsernameUnknown

Domi was a pest? I thought he was a fighter with some of the most devastating hits by a guy under 6 foot in NHL history who liked to let Sundin throw pucks off his pads.

Looks like it's you, Me, and Jay until the bitter end.

Hold me
- UsernameUnknown

Here's a thought. Instead of paying komarov 1.5-2M, lets say he gets 2M if he signed with us, wouldn't it be a smarter move to use that 2M toward signing a guy like clarkson
- Mapleleafs_91

Yes. Clarkson at 4-5mill over 3 years scares me though.

Domi was a pest? I thought he was a fighter with some of the most devastating hits by a guy under 6 foot in NHL history who liked to let Sundin throw pucks off his pads.
- AdamFrench

Well he certainly knew how to piss people off.

You mean other than hit ,and pester, wear the opponent down physically and mentally, and give the leafs a much needed fearless physical presence?
- JIMI-JAMES

5'8", 187 lbs.

I loved his willingness to throw the body, but let's not pretend he was a one-man wrecking crew.

Yes. Clarkson at 4-5mill over 3 years scares me though.
- 1979AD

He is a toronto boy, 4M for 3-4 years if he wants to sign here. Got to at least submit an offer if to him, then up to him if he wants to come home

He is a toronto boy, 4M for 3-4 years if he wants to sign here. Got to at least submit an offer if to him, then up to him if he wants to come home
- Mapleleafs_91

sold!