I think MacT has the great opinion on the matter... He's obviously gonna use his intuition and hockey knowledge to make a decision, but with the science and stats a available today you'd be stupid not to look at it.

Go with a combination of both schools of thought.
- robin_steele264

I think that's reasonable.... It also seems like the corsi fenwick groupies would rather uses only that as basis of decision making. It trumps all else.

If what I see with my eyes and goals, assist, wins/losses goes against fenwick corsi I'm going with my eyes and the solid facts.

Anyone see the TO rumour posted in the Tbay forum about the leafs offering mid level roster players and a package of prospects for the 3rd overall pick and Vinny Lecavalier. TO would then buy out Vinny.
- Fakepartofme

Damnit. Im too slow

Anyone see the TO rumour posted in the Tbay forum about the leafs offering mid level roster players and a package of prospects for the 3rd overall pick and Vinny Lecavalier. TO would then buy out Vinny.
- Fakepartofme

Nope.

Did Fenwick predict the devils and kings to go to the cup last year?

You're proving my point by saying how unpredictable it is.

I can't predict what's going to happen by watching and having an opinion, but I enjoy it, because I enjoy watching the game.

Fenwick/Corsi can't predict poop either, because as per your argument its hard to predict, because there are a million x factors especially in a game like hockey. Watching hockey has a point (entertainment value). Spending time fiddling with meaningless stats doesn't.
- dragus84

what you consider valuable and meaningless is very different from what I do, that goes for everything in life. The difference is probably that i wont call what you find meaningful a waste of time.

Damnit. Im too slow
- UsernameUnknown

Yes guy!
I just snuck in.

LOL

What is Vinny's cap hit anyways?

$7,727,273.......uh, unless one of the mid-range players going to Tampa is Grabo, this deal would frighten the (frank) out of me, even if it did mean getting one of drouin or nate......I wish I totally understood what its saying below....but the buyout cap hit would be more than the actual salary? I'm confused.

Buyout Details
SEASON SALARY CAP HIT BUYOUT SAVINGS BUYOUT CAP HIT
2013-14 $10,000,000 $7,727,273 $2,142,857 $7,857,143 -$129,870
2014-15 $10,000,000 $7,727,273 $2,142,857 $7,857,143 -$129,870
2015-16 $10,000,000 $7,727,273 $2,142,857 $7,857,143 -$129,870
2016-17 $8,500,000 $7,727,273 $2,142,857 $6,357,143 $1,370,130
2017-18 $4,000,000 $7,727,273 $2,142,857 $1,857,143 $5,870,130
2018-19 $1,500,000 $7,727,273 $2,142,857 -$642,857 $8,370,130
2019-20 $1,000,000 $7,727,273 $2,142,857 -$1,142,857 $8,870,130
2020-21 $0 $0 $2,142,857 -$2,142,857 $2,142,857
2021-22 $0 $0 $2,142,857 -$2,142,857 $2,142,857
2022-23 $0 $0 $2,142,857 -$2,142,857 $2,142,857
2023-24 $0 $0 $2,142,857 -$2,142,857 $2,142,857
2024-25 $0 $0 $2,142,857 -$2,142,857 $2,142,857
2025-26 $0 $0 $2,142,857 -$2,142,857 $2,142,857
2026-27 $0 $0 $2,142,857 -$2,142,857 $2,142,857

I think that's reasonable.... It also seems like the corsi fenwick groupies would rather uses only that as basis of decision making. It trumps all else.

If what I see with my eyes and goals, assist, wins/losses goes against fenwick corsi I'm going with my eyes and the solid facts.
- burn

I concur.
I really dont buy into the corsi stats too much.

What is Vinny's cap hit anyways?

$7,727,273.......uh, unless one of the mid-range players going to Tampa is Grabo, this deal would frighten the (frank) out of me.
- mykokes

Even if they were to buy it out?
Although Vinny could be useful on the leafs.
But way too pricey

What is Vinny's cap hit anyways?

$7,727,273.......uh, unless one of the mid-range players going to Tampa is Grabo, this deal would frighten the (frank) out of me.
- mykokes

That doesn't matter if he's boughtout.

Even if they were to buy it out?
Although Vinny could be useful on the leafs.
But way too pricey
- Fakepartofme

if you can explain this to me, I'm all ears.

http://www.capgeek.com/bu...3&buyout_m=06&buyout_d=15

That doesn't matter if he's boughtout.
- burn

Again, explain it to me...

Anyone see the TO rumour posted in the Tbay forum about the leafs offering mid level roster players and a package of prospects for the 3rd overall pick and Vinny Lecavalier. TO would then buy out Vinny.
- Fakepartofme

need more info on the players..but if its not including Rielly or Gardiner I am interested

What is Vinny's cap hit anyways?

$7,727,273.......uh, unless one of the mid-range players going to Tampa is Grabo, this deal would frighten the (frank) out of me, even if it did mean getting one of drouin or nate......I wish I totally understood what its saying below....but the buyout cap hit would be more than the actual salary? I'm confused.

Buyout Details
SEASON SALARY CAP HIT BUYOUT SAVINGS BUYOUT CAP HIT
2013-14 $10,000,000 $7,727,273 $2,142,857 $7,857,143 -$129,870
2014-15 $10,000,000 $7,727,273 $2,142,857 $7,857,143 -$129,870
2015-16 $10,000,000 $7,727,273 $2,142,857 $7,857,143 -$129,870
2016-17 $8,500,000 $7,727,273 $2,142,857 $6,357,143 $1,370,130
2017-18 $4,000,000 $7,727,273 $2,142,857 $1,857,143 $5,870,130
2018-19 $1,500,000 $7,727,273 $2,142,857 -$642,857 $8,370,130
2019-20 $1,000,000 $7,727,273 $2,142,857 -$1,142,857 $8,870,130
2020-21 $0 $0 $2,142,857 -$2,142,857 $2,142,857
2021-22 $0 $0 $2,142,857 -$2,142,857 $2,142,857
2022-23 $0 $0 $2,142,857 -$2,142,857 $2,142,857
2023-24 $0 $0 $2,142,857 -$2,142,857 $2,142,857
2024-25 $0 $0 $2,142,857 -$2,142,857 $2,142,857
2025-26 $0 $0 $2,142,857 -$2,142,857 $2,142,857
2026-27 $0 $0 $2,142,857 -$2,142,857 $2,142,857
- mykokes

Compliance buyout doesn't count against the cap

I won't believe it until I see it happen, BUT... this is not the first place that I've seen/talked about this rumour.

What I heard was Grabovski, Kulemin for Vinny and the 3rd overall.

With that said... I don't see how Tampa Bay (who could buy out Vinny themselves) would trade away a pick where they ould land Drouin who would be an instant replacement for St. Louis when he retires...

Also, I'm not sure on this but I don't think you're able to amnesty anyone who hasn't played at least 30 games with your roster. Meaning Vinny would have to play the entire next season with the Leafs and then be bought out the following season as the window for amnesty would be closed for the first year. Interesting but I think it's a farce.

Compliance buyout doesn't count against the cap
- burn

I'm a moron.

I won't believe it until I see it happen, BUT... this is not the first place that I've seen/talked about this rumour.

What I heard was Grabovski, Kulemin for Vinny and the 3rd overall.

With that said... I don't see how Tampa Bay (who could buy out Vinny themselves) would trade away a pick where they ould land Drouin who would be an instant replacement for St. Louis when he retires...

Also, I'm not sure on this but I don't think you're able to amnesty anyone who hasn't played at least 30 games with your roster. Meaning Vinny would have to play the entire next season with the Leafs and then be bought out the following season as the window for amnesty would be closed for the first year. Interesting but I think it's a farce.
- steve362

You forgot the picks and prospects.....

need more info on the players..but if its not including Rielly or Gardiner I am interested
- senstroll

It simply states mid level roster players that eliminates those two.
Maybe a Kule and Mac -esque type of player.

Again, explain it to me...
- mykokes

Compliance buyout. Each team got two to use, if they want, this summer or next summer. Doesn't count aganst the cap.

Compliance buyout doesn't count against the cap
- burn

I don't think you can compliance buyout/amnesty a player who hasn't played 30 games on your roster... also, the amnesty window ends when Free Agency begins on the 5th. Meaning Vinny is stuck on the Leafs for at least one full season!

Compliance buyout doesn't count against the cap
- burn

Has anyone confirmed there is a rule about playing a set number of games after a trade and before a buy out?

I don't think you can compliance buyout/amnesty a player who hasn't played 30 games on your roster... also, the amnesty window ends when Free Agency begins on the 5th. Meaning Vinny is stuck on the Leafs for at least one full season!
- steve362

Maybe I'm not a moron?

(frank) man, I miss the days where there was no cap.

I won't believe it until I see it happen, BUT... this is not the first place that I've seen/talked about this rumour.

What I heard was Grabovski, Kulemin for Vinny and the 3rd overall.

With that said... I don't see how Tampa Bay (who could buy out Vinny themselves) would trade away a pick where they ould land Drouin who would be an instant replacement for St. Louis when he retires...

Also, I'm not sure on this but I don't think you're able to amnesty anyone who hasn't played at least 30 games with your roster. Meaning Vinny would have to play the entire next season with the Leafs and then be bought out the following season as the window for amnesty would be closed for the first year. Interesting but I think it's a farce.
- steve362

Yzerman can't possibly be that stupid

You forgot the picks and prospects.....
- mykokes

That's just what I heard. No picks/prospects involved. I call BS on the whole thing, just doesn't make sense for Tampa Bay!

I won't believe it until I see it happen, BUT... this is not the first place that I've seen/talked about this rumour.

What I heard was Grabovski, Kulemin for Vinny and the 3rd overall.

With that said... I don't see how Tampa Bay (who could buy out Vinny themselves) would trade away a pick where they ould land Drouin who would be an instant replacement for St. Louis when he retires...

Also, I'm not sure on this but I don't think you're able to amnesty anyone who hasn't played at least 30 games with your roster. Meaning Vinny would have to play the entire next season with the Leafs and then be bought out the following season as the window for amnesty would be closed for the first year. Interesting but I think it's a farce.
- steve362

if I am tampa I dont do that deal, unless SY has been told to shed salary.
It would have to include at least the leafs 1st and a prospect, like Colborne in addition. Also why would they want Gabo at 5.5?

I don't think you can compliance buyout/amnesty a player who hasn't played 30 games on your roster... also, the amnesty window ends when Free Agency begins on the 5th. Meaning Vinny is stuck on the Leafs for at least one full season!
- steve362

Its just a rumour right now, that I read in another blog.