Disagree. They're likely interested in Edler but not at the cost of a Schenn or Couturier. Streit helps them fill a need at the backend with leadership and solid puck-moving skills. This also more than likely means a buyout(s) is coming (Bryz, Briere) so they'll probably look to a new goalie to shore up the D even further. Though not impossible, this move makes an Edler trade less likely.
- AlexF

Yes, Streit is the puck-moving defenceman (think Ehrhoff) while Edler is the cannon on the point. Streit is also not the long term fix the Flyers need. They're a young team with a lot of young forwards. Streit represents a solid pickup, but more of a bandaid than a long term solution. Edler could also benefit huge playing with guys like Streit and Timonen for a year.

Every report out of Philly is that they are willing to part with Couturier or Schenn for a defenceman. If they were actually willing to part with one of those two guys, adding a 35 year old Streit does not change that.

I don't see how picking up Streit changes whether the Flyers were going to buyout Bryz and / or Briere. They're not related at all.

So, Philly needs a goalie? I know a team that has a goalie... could even put together a package involving Edler... might even take back a guy like Briere in the deal...

so Streit is worth a 4th and a prospect.

What can we get for Roy and Raymond?

I'd say 3rd for Roy and 5th for Raymond
- IanEsplen

Streit is a top 4 d man that puts up points and is on many teams wish list .... Those two are players teams will throw offers at but not trade for rights

Yes, Streit is the puck-moving defenceman (think Ehrhoff) while Edler is the cannon on the point. Streit is also not the long term fix the Flyers need. They're a young team with a lot of young forwards. Streit represents a solid pickup, but more of a bandaid than a long term solution. Edler could also benefit huge playing with guys like Streit and Timonen for a year.

Every report out of Philly is that they are willing to part with Couturier or Schenn for a defenceman. If they were actually willing to part with one of those two guys, adding a 35 year old Streit does not change that.

I don't see how picking up Streit changes whether the Flyers were going to buyout Bryz and / or Briere. They're not related at all.

So, Philly needs a goalie? I know a team that has a goalie... could even put together a package involving Edler... might even take back a guy like Briere in the deal...
- KB3Point0

Picking up Streit (at presumably around $5m per) almost guarantees a buyout or two given their cap situation. You can say they were always likely to execute those buyouts, but this pick-up pretty much forces them to.

Regarding those "reports" on the willingness to shop a C for a D, keep in mind it was also reported that PHI turned down several combination of offers involving those players for Shea Weber last year before finally offer-sheeting him. I'm not a mind-reader but I'm guessing Couturier or Schenn or a package involving one of them only goes out for a bonafide top pairing D man. Edler is a top pairing guy on some teams, others not. PHI want to build around another Pronger is my guess and their young centers are their best chance to do it.

Yes, Streit is the puck-moving defenceman (think Ehrhoff) while Edler is the cannon on the point. Streit is also not the long term fix the Flyers need. They're a young team with a lot of young forwards. Streit represents a solid pickup, but more of a bandaid than a long term solution. Edler could also benefit huge playing with guys like Streit and Timonen for a year.

Every report out of Philly is that they are willing to part with Couturier or Schenn for a defenceman. If they were actually willing to part with one of those two guys, adding a 35 year old Streit does not change that.

I don't see how picking up Streit changes whether the Flyers were going to buyout Bryz and / or Briere. They're not related at all.

So, Philly needs a goalie? I know a team that has a goalie... could even put together a package involving Edler... might even take back a guy like Briere in the deal...
- KB3Point0

I think Philly won't be making any big trades but moves like the streit deal and buyout their two guys and add couple cheaper guys as patchwork for next season
They aren't looking at this years failure as reason to panic

Don't expect a big trade out of them this off season

My top 5:


1. Dave Tippett(if available)
2. Glen Gulutzan
3. Guy Boucher
4. Willie Desjardins
5. Brent Sutter
- Nucker101

Pretty close to mine.

Although I was pretty sure I saw your name under "Willie Desjardis" on the HF boards poll...?

Flip flopping, eh

Streit is a top 4 d man that puts up points and is on many teams wish list .... Those two are players teams will throw offers at but not trade for rights
- Redmile247

Roy can get something IMO. Tons of teams need a 2LC. Conditional pick of course, maybe a 5th or 6th that turns into a 3rd or 4th if they can sign him.

Pretty close to mine.

Although I was pretty sure I saw your name under "Willie Desjardis" on the HF boards poll...?

Flip flopping, eh
- Fosco

That was before I started my interviews.

Cause the Canucks have so many young players?
- KB3Point0

They will likely have 2-4 rookies/sophomores on the team next season, out of both merit and necessity, not to mention that Tanev and Kassian are still young and yet to play a full season.

That's probably the most young players they've had in a long time...

That was before I started my interviews.
- Nucker101

How could you get an interview with Tippet when he's still under contract?

I call tampering

How could you get an interview with Tippet when he's still under contract?

I call tampering
- Fosco

I found out that he's building a mansion if Phoenix and camped him out. Pretty nice guy about the whole thing and gave me season tickets to the Coyotes. Said I deserved them.

I found out that he's building a mansion if Phoenix and camped him out. Pretty nice guy about the whole thing and gave me season tickets to the Coyotes. Said I deserved them.
- Nucker101

Nice—so it's the same approach you took when you tried to "interview" Kesler...?

The classy thing to do would be to reimburse him the $10 for the season tickets...or else it could be viewed as a bribe

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Fosco, with all of these 7th D ideas that Ian is posting what are your thoughts on Yann Sauve as a 7 D?

Picking up Streit (at presumably around $5m per) almost guarantees a buyout or two given their cap situation. You can say they were always likely to execute those buyouts, but this pick-up pretty much forces them to.

Regarding those "reports" on the willingness to shop a C for a D, keep in mind it was also reported that PHI turned down several combination of offers involving those players for Shea Weber last year before finally offer-sheeting him. I'm not a mind-reader but I'm guessing Couturier or Schenn or a package involving one of them only goes out for a bonafide top pairing D man. Edler is a top pairing guy on some teams, others not. PHI want to build around another Pronger is my guess and their young centers are their best chance to do it.
- AlexF

That's fair (about the cap situation). Might make the ability to package Briere out in a trade even more valuable!

You really can't compare a trade involving 2 or 3 high level prospects and players for Weber's 14 yr, $110M deal, to making a trade which includes Couturier or Schenn in a package going out for a package including Edler, who has a 6 yr, $30M deal in place.

Edler likely isn't available. The reason so many people have linked him as potential trade bait, is that he is likely the closest thing to a true #1 defenceman to become available (apart from Suter @ $100M) in a long time. Likely won't be another coming available for quite some time either. Especially with the new salary cap benefits for signing your own players. Edler still has the potential to grow into that #1 D-man role too. All he needs to do is add consistency.

IF Philadelphia was interested in Edler, and IF Vancouver was open to listening to trade offers for him, I don't think picking up Streit would end those talks.

Roy can get something IMO. Tons of teams need a 2LC. Conditional pick of course, maybe a 5th or 6th that turns into a 3rd or 4th if they can sign him.
- Nucker101

Yeah I guess it could happen
But you just don't see the rights traded unless the guys are top free agents

Hortons rights may be traded
Roy ? Very unlikely

Neither, obviously! Davis Payne, John Stevens or my personal favorite of Glen Gulutzan.
- LeftCoaster

The more I hear from people like Botch and Feraro ,they seem to think Torts would be a good fit. One thing for sure it would be him doing the coaching and not the players. He would revoke the country club passes of the veteran players.

Bieksa said the other day we don't need someone to come in and crack the whip.

That is exactly what they need. IMO .A coach who would bench vets when they have these major brain farts on D or a player to tell Kes he is playing wing or Hank your on line one Daniel your on line two. I can also see Torts forcing Gillis to ake soe serious roster changes so he can have the players he needs to play his style.

I don't know if this is a bad thing or not. I do know the team from the last two years is done and time for a shake up.

I don't think I could handle Tortorella... Reminds me of when we brought in Keenan to crack the whip... Won't end well.

My top 4:

1. Davis Payne
2. Glen Gulutzan
3. Willie Desjardins
4. Guy Boucher

No Stevens, no Torts, no Martin.
- DrChristianTroy

The only person I know about who coached at the NHL level is Boucher . He had Stamkos St.Louis Lecavalier Hedman on his roster and got fired . Can't say I love any one of these guys.

The only person I know about who coached at the NHL level is Boucher . He had Stamkos St.Louis Lecavalier Hedman on his roster and got fired . Can't say I love any one of these guys.
- VANTEL

Again, I don't see Gillis making the obvious, or safe move with his job on the line. Torts is the kind of coach that burns bridges behind him and would take down Gillis with him in the firestorm.His shortlist likely has names we've either never heard of, or dismissed at being a long shot..

The only person I know about who coached at the NHL level is Boucher . He had Stamkos St.Louis Lecavalier Hedman on his roster and got fired . Can't say I love any one of these guys.
- VANTEL

Yeah, but his playoff dmen consisted of MA Bergeron, Lundin, Ohlund, Brewer, Hedman and Clark, with Roloson in net.

The fact that they took the Bruins to game 7 on the ECF is impressive.

Katie Strang ‏@KatieStrangESPN
#Isles announce they have traded veteran defenseman (and captain) Mark Streit to PHI for 4th round pick in 2014 and Shane Harper

Well, that might put an end to the Edler for Couturier talk.
- AlexF

They haven't signed the UFA yet have they?

Yeah, but his playoff dmen consisted of MA Bergeron, Lundin, Ohlund, Brewer, Hedman and Clark, with Roloson in net.

The fact that they took the Bruins to game 7 on the ECF is impressive.
- moondawg

Our D is overrated and and not much better than Tampas . We too took Bruins to 7 in the same year and if I am not mistaken so did Montreal with a dismal team .

The point is TB hd all that fire power and played the trap .

Again, I don't see Gillis making the obvious, or safe move with his job on the line. Torts is the kind of coach that burns bridges behind him and would take down Gillis with him in the firestorm.His shortlist likely has names we've either never heard of, or dismissed at being a long shot..
- DariusKnight

Everyone has been calling for his head. I don't see him making a move and going after an unproven coach. I think the owner has a lot of say in this and likes Torts. If he fails then Gillis can go to FA and say he is your guy not mine.

I am not a Torts fan but I am not a fan of the players doing the coaching either. This team needs direction.

Streit is a top 4 d man that puts up points and is on many teams wish list .... Those two are players teams will throw offers at but not trade for rights
- Redmile247

What no one has mentioned it leaves a big hole on NYI who now need a sexy Dman . Edler Lu + is seeming more plausable now if Edler is not going to PHI .

Lu Edler Booth Jensen for Nino Bailey Nielsn Rocky D

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Fosco, with all of these 7th D ideas that Ian is posting what are your thoughts on Yann Sauve as a 7 D?
- AlexF

Sauve has sharply regressed since being hit by a car, whether that had anything to do with it or not. He started playing well in the ECHL after being demoted about halfway through the season.

Definitely wouldn't feel comfortable with him as a number 7.

Andersson or Tommernes would be the top two candidates for a 7/8 spot currently in the system (not including Corrado), with Polasek coming next.

I wouldn't be too surprised if one of them grabs a spot, but I hope Gillis has a cheap veteran option in mind as well—as long as that player's not named Barker or Vandermeer.

Streit is a top 4 d man that puts up points and is on many teams wish list .... Those two are players teams will throw offers at but not trade for rights
- Redmile247

obviously you didn't watch streit this season. He was playing as the 5th/6th defenseman and not against other teams top forwards. Andrew MacDonald, Travis Hamonic were our top pair, followed by Visnovsky and Hickey. Streit was pretty awful defensively most of the season and spent a good amount of time in the defensive end trying to stick check. He's no longer a top 4 d on the Isles which don't have a terribly deep defense, so what does that tell you?

He's a valuable contributor on the PP when he's not lagging around in his own end and taking his time moving the puck up ice on the PP, once he's in the zone he can be effective moving the puck but this year was a very noticeable decline in his abilities.

Three years ago he'd play a physical game, not knocking people around but using his body to force incoming forwards to the outside. He's much softer, slower and lazier now on d and I consider him to be a PP specialist and a bottom pairing guy. He's only going to decline further and I was not happy when Snow offered him a 3 year deal, but relieved when he turned it down. He'll get his cash, but anyone expecting him to play top four is going to be bitterly disappointed.

Our D is overrated and and not much better than Tampas . We too took Bruins to 7 in the same year and if I am not mistaken so did Montreal with a dismal team .

The point is TB hd all that fire power and played the trap .
- VANTEL

The Canucks D is not overrated, and is much better than TB's.

Let's see how bad Bowness (frank)s up their D this season after what he did to Vans...