I am surprised it doesn't say eating sausage with Ramsey.
- jribout

is grabovski getting traded or CBO'd??

is grabovski getting traded or CBO'd??
- puckhead17

You make it sound like the two options are mutually exclusive.....

You make it sound like the two options are mutually exclusive.....
- lumlums

hearing one or the other, Nonis didn't sign him did he? I think it was Burke

with 2 CBO's per team it may seem likely

hearing one or the other, Nonis didn't sign him did he? I think it was Burke

with 2 CBO's per team it may seem likely
- puckhead17

True.... I can see us potentially taking someone else's buyout for picks/prospects, but not many other teams can pull off a trade and condemn in the same way...

True.... I can see us potentially taking someone else's buyout for picks/prospects, but not many other teams can pull off a trade and condemn in the same way...
- lumlums

seems like when a new GM takes over something like this can happen, I like Grabovski, he played well in the Boston series, although he didn't produce, I think it would be an error in moving him, (ask the Pens all star centers about producing against Boston), and then Grabbo doesn't look so bad.

I don't nose you anymore, you've changed.
- Leafland

Don't really want Gun back. I could be alone in this. We haven't talked about it much, or at all, in here.

I think we can live without him though. More room to do better and/or bring up a kid.


As for Franson, Done Deal!
- UsernameUnknown

I'm with you... Gunnarson was a (in my opinion) a massive underachiever this season.... and his lack of physicality was increasingly apparent, maybe that's the downside of the system the Leafs play under Carlyle.

Franson drastically improved his d-zone play and stepped up physically. Fraser, 'nuff said, the guy everything he had every shift. Phaneuf improved (again only my opinion) because for the most part he didn't try to do to much. Gardiner figured it out in the playoffs.

I'd offer Franson 14 over four years.
I'd offer Bozak 16 over four years.

I'd bust my back to get rid of Liles and pay someone to take on Komisarek (to avoid using the compliance buyout).

Then I'd acquire someone else problem (remove the restraining order on Gillis' cell phone from the trade deadline) and offer him Gunnarson in a straight exchange for Edler, Garrison or Bieksa. (Yes Canuck fans, you will end up having to do just such deals, unless you're planning on playing half your AHL roster.)

- T.Fleury

Funny you quote "sliding on 2 knees down saddledome ice" in your avatar
I can still see that & always think about it from time to time, (it's as famous as Tiger Williams riding his stick)

The Jackets do...

http://www.eliteprospects.../player.php?player=106295
- AdamFrench

Reilly to Reilly then to Grabo then back to Reilly.

The only way the Leafs wind up with a first rounder in the top 7 is if the trade involved Kessel. He;s the only Leaf with any true serious value to fetch a high pick. But Kessel aint going anywhere. So that puts to rest that notion of the Leafs getting into the top 7.
- GCHonda

Kessel, Lupul, Kadri and Gardiner would all fetch a top 7 pick IMO and possibily JVR as well.
1.Mackinnon,
2 Drouin,
3 Jones,
4 Barkov
5 Nichushkin
6 Nurse
7 Lindholm
8 Domi

Rough idea of the top 7. So the argument may be made that the top 5 would be franchise players. The top 3 may make the NHL right away or at least 3 of the top 5. BUT all of the players below 5 will most likely require further minor league play before making the jump and may end up as 2nd line peak players. So you're saying that only Kessel would fetch that type of trade for a what if? Only Kessel (a proven 40 goal scorer and newly developed play maker) is worth someone who has yet to play a day in the NHL. Wow!!!!!

Is Kessel less than Seguin? Than Hall? Than Couturier? Eberle? Nail?

Are all of these guys greater than Kessel?

Not sure why you think that 7th pick has so much value....that is just not true.
I am not saying it doesn't have value, just not something you even bring Kessel into the conversation over - unless it's their 7th + one of their blue chips.

Gardiner (maybe plus something small) for 7th would be more reasonable....That said, I wouldn't even make that trade. Most likely Mackinnon, Druin, Jones, Barkov, Nurse are all off the board and I wouldn't trade Gardiner for Monahan....
- Cooshie

Agreed

Kessel, Lupul, Kadri and Gardiner would all fetch a top 7 pick IMO and possibily JVR as well.
1.Mackinnon,
2 Drouin,
3 Jones,
4 Barkov
5 Nichushkin
6 Nurse
7 Lindholm
8 Domi

Rough idea of the top 7. So the argument may be made that the top 5 would be franchise players. The top 3 may make the NHL right away or at least 3 of the top 5. BUT all of the players below 5 will most likely require further minor league play before making the jump and may end up as 2nd line peak players. So you're saying that only Kessel would fetch that type of trade for a what if? Only Kessel (a proven 40 goal scorer and newly developed play maker) is worth someone who has yet to play a day in the NHL. Wow!!!!!

Is Kessel less than Seguin? Than Hall? Than Couturier? Eberle? Nail?

Are all of these guys greater than Kessel?
- stevecarpetman

Luke Schenn would possibly fetch a top 7 pick too

Luke Schenn would possibly fetch a top 7 pick too
- mmold

wut.

- AdamFrench

wut.
- Blackstrom2

previous blog said JVR would possibly get us a top 7 pick.
we traded luke schenn for JVR straight up

i really don't think luke schenn would get you a top 7 pick let alone a 1st round pick

previous blog said JVR would possibly get us a top 7 pick.
we traded luke schenn for JVR straight up

i really don't think luke schenn would get you a top 7 pick let alone a 1st round pick
- mmold

JVR>Schenn

JVR was 2nd overall pick and is finally gaining confidence in his size enough to make an impact. He had a brilliant year but still had some lulls in his play.

Kadri had an impact year. Lupul showed why his was so highly touted, but injuries once again showed the draw back to his skilled play.

I was merely stating that Kessel is an elite player in the NHL and not all draft picks pan out. JVR was a 2nd overall pick. Kadri 7th overall, Gardiner 17th overall, Kessel 5th overall, Lupul 7th overall and Phaneuf 9th overall but they are not worth someone who is still a gamble?

Horton is a free agent drafted 3rd overall and regarded as a lock all star for his size and play. He currently plays third line roll and may not be re-signed. That was 2003 and regarded as the strongest draft since the millennia. Draft pics are not guaranteed they are a lottery with some of the numbers already picked. Kessel and the players I listed have more numbers showing and your possibilty of the strongest prize is more obvious. Draft is important for the future but giving up on the present is not the path to get there.

In new CBA with the ability to retain cap hit in trade are we able to buy out the portion of a players cap we retained.

Say we trade grabo but retain 1/2 his cap hit to increase his value would we be able to buy out the portion of his contract we owe him?

I'm with you... Gunnarson was a (in my opinion) a massive underachiever this season.... and his lack of physicality was increasingly apparent, maybe that's the downside of the system the Leafs play under Carlyle.

Franson drastically improved his d-zone play and stepped up physically. Fraser, 'nuff said, the guy everything he had every shift. Phaneuf improved (again only my opinion) because for the most part he didn't try to do to much. Gardiner figured it out in the playoffs.

I'd offer Franson 14 over four years.
I'd offer Bozak 16 over four years.

I'd bust my back to get rid of Liles and pay someone to take on Komisarek (to avoid using the compliance buyout).

Then I'd acquire someone else problem (remove the restraining order on Gillis' cell phone from the trade deadline) and offer him Gunnarson in a straight exchange for Edler, Garrison or Bieksa. (Yes Canuck fans, you will end up having to do just such deals, unless you're planning on playing half your AHL roster.)
- BorjeFan4Ever

Gunner + a second could probably get Bieksa and should make a good pairing for
Phaneuf or gardiner may be able to add a littler extra in and get Kassian away from Vancity
Franson and Fraser stay together
buy out komi, trade liles for decent value, sign vet 4/5 guy, dont let holzer anywhere near the leafs maybe to Edm for whatever
see what we can move grabo for
have to keep bozak, him and kessel are fuzzed at the hip, he is very much linked to Kessels coming out party this year

JVR>Schenn

JVR was 2nd overall pick and is finally gaining confidence in his size enough to make an impact. He had a brilliant year but still had some lulls in his play.

Kadri had an impact year. Lupul showed why his was so highly touted, but injuries once again showed the draw back to his skilled play.

I was merely stating that Kessel is an elite player in the NHL and not all draft picks pan out. JVR was a 2nd overall pick. Kadri 7th overall, Gardiner 17th overall, Kessel 5th overall, Lupul 7th overall and Phaneuf 9th overall but they are not worth someone who is still a gamble?

Horton is a free agent drafted 3rd overall and regarded as a lock all star for his size and play. He currently plays third line roll and may not be re-signed. That was 2003 and regarded as the strongest draft since the millennia. Draft pics are not guaranteed they are a lottery with some of the numbers already picked. Kessel and the players I listed have more numbers showing and your possibilty of the strongest prize is more obvious. Draft is important for the future but giving up on the present is not the path to get there.
- stevecarpetman

Are you using Horton as an example of someone who hasn't panned out?? He's currently PPG in the playoffs and if he's not re-signed it won't be because Boston is giving up on him, it's because he's outpriced them with his play. 9th best scorer in that strongest draft in the millennium. 402 points in 594 is no slouch, come on.

previous blog said JVR would possibly get us a top 7 pick.
we traded luke schenn for JVR straight up

i really don't think luke schenn would get you a top 7 pick let alone a 1st round pick
- mmold

Didn't see many Flyers games this year did ya? Schenn's top pair .
Most Flyers fans think they won that trade

JVR>Schenn

JVR was 2nd overall pick and is finally gaining confidence in his size enough to make an impact. He had a brilliant year but still had some lulls in his play.

Kadri had an impact year. Lupul showed why his was so highly touted, but injuries once again showed the draw back to his skilled play.

I was merely stating that Kessel is an elite player in the NHL and not all draft picks pan out. JVR was a 2nd overall pick. Kadri 7th overall, Gardiner 17th overall, Kessel 5th overall, Lupul 7th overall and Phaneuf 9th overall but they are not worth someone who is still a gamble?

Horton is a free agent drafted 3rd overall and regarded as a lock all star for his size and play. He currently plays third line roll and may not be re-signed. That was 2003 and regarded as the strongest draft since the millennia. Draft pics are not guaranteed they are a lottery with some of the numbers already picked. Kessel and the players I listed have more numbers showing and your possibilty of the strongest prize is more obvious. Draft is important for the future but giving up on the present is not the path to get there.
- stevecarpetman

Horton is 2nd in scoring on the Bruins for the playoffs. Only reason he'll be available is the cap is dropping and they have too many contracts they can't move. If they could resign him, they would in a heartbeat. But it's between hi and Rask...

Gunner + a second could probably get Bieksa and should make a good pairing for
Phaneuf or gardiner may be able to add a littler extra in and get Kassian away from Vancity
Franson and Fraser stay together
buy out komi, trade liles for decent value, sign vet 4/5 guy, dont let holzer anywhere near the leafs maybe to Edm for whatever
see what we can move grabo for
have to keep bozak, him and kessel are fuzzed at the hip, he is very much linked to Kessels coming out party this year
- shill-17

Gunnarson is UFA so not sure how you're trading him for Bieksa.

Liles is the other buyout candidate, so trading for decent value will be a bit tough.

Kessel was good in spite of Bozak, not because of him. Take a look at the lines individual points if this is confusing...

did I miss anything? oh ya, Grabo's better than Bozak, in every season where he wasn't hospitilized and playing through illness.

Gunnarson is UFA so not sure how you're trading him for Bieksa.

Liles is the other buyout candidate, so trading for decent value will be a bit tough.

Kessel was good in spite of Bozak, not because of him. Take a look at the lines individual points if this is confusing...

did I miss anything? oh ya, Grabo's better than Bozak, in every season where he wasn't hospitilized and playing through illness.
- Big_Lightnin

Gunner is a RFA not UFA
liles is only candidate because team out grew him, cap hit isnt to bad 3.875 for second pairing guy could still be moved easily he still had a good year still .35 PPG on pass for 30 pts over 82

I was refering to kessels overall play and not point production, kessel has quietly become a decent 200 ft player will never win the selke but back checks likes a demon when the teams in trouble now and has saved quite a few goals this year with nice stick work, but bozaks main influence on him is off the ice, hes no longer the dead log we saw 2 years ago guy finally found a personality

Kessel, Lupul, Kadri and Gardiner would all fetch a top 7 pick IMO and possibily JVR as well.
1.Mackinnon,
2 Drouin,
3 Jones,
4 Barkov
5 Nichushkin
6 Nurse
7 Lindholm
8 Domi

Rough idea of the top 7. So the argument may be made that the top 5 would be franchise players. The top 3 may make the NHL right away or at least 3 of the top 5. BUT all of the players below 5 will most likely require further minor league play before making the jump and may end up as 2nd line peak players. So you're saying that only Kessel would fetch that type of trade for a what if? Only Kessel (a proven 40 goal scorer and newly developed play maker) is worth someone who has yet to play a day in the NHL. Wow!!!!!

Is Kessel less than Seguin? Than Hall? Than Couturier? Eberle? Nail?

Are all of these guys greater than Kessel?
- stevecarpetman

no