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Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 10 @ 6:01 PM ET
it's more common than not that young Dmen get bounced around/scratched often. just look at guys like dougie hamilton, del zotto, adam larsson, etc.
- rangerdanger94


Good examples. I would add Pronger to that list as he struggled early in his career.

BestRapperAlive
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: OEL is one of the greatest players of his generation - James Tanner
Joined: 06.21.2012

Jun 10 @ 6:02 PM ET
He's not even the type of dman the Oilers need to add
- robin_steele264


That too. Hopefully they can add 1 or 2 guys somehow though, even if it's stopgap veteran players until some prospects are ready. Time to start winning next year.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jun 10 @ 6:02 PM ET
Why would we trade a mid round pick for a guy who is going to get bought out and we could get him for free. Also Ballard sucks and we don't want your garbage.
- Ihatebrianburke

i think ballard is an okay 2nd pairing Dman and a good 3rd pairing Dman. he's a solid depth guy he's just making way too much money for where he should be slotted in a lineup.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jun 10 @ 6:05 PM ET
That too. Hopefully they can add 1 or 2 guys somehow though, even if it's stopgap veteran players until some prospects are ready. Time to start winning next year.
- BestRapperAlive

i could see the oilers signing a guy like rozsival.

solid Dman who can eat up 20 minutes a game.
Rang
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 08.21.2006

Jun 10 @ 6:07 PM ET
We want that 7th pick if Monahan is still available.

I think it would cost us Rielly .

To get Gardiner from us, who is more of a sure thing, it would have to be Gagner and the 7th overall pick
Ihatebrianburke
Edmonton Oilers
Location: edmonton, AB
Joined: 12.19.2010

Jun 10 @ 6:07 PM ET
Seguin,Hamilton We just keep the guys we get. I would take either of those guys over Kessel
- jaredwildzee

So would I. Franchise center and defensman. Both with size, speed, and skill. Kessel is good but these guys are gonna be awesome. I would kill for Hamilton or Seguin on this team
deadsector
Edmonton Oilers
Location: sherwood park, AB
Joined: 01.08.2013

Jun 10 @ 6:09 PM ET
As far as sutton goes clouts he retired 2 weeks ago. You need to focus dude.Fistric I think is a better option then potter so we'll use him as number six d.
HawkfaninBC
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Victoria B.C.
Joined: 07.02.2012

Jun 10 @ 6:09 PM ET
Well I don't know that the Oilers will be able to trade him anyway. Especially because he probably really wants to go to Vancouver (where he's from), LA (where a lot of ex-oilers are) or Detroit (where his wife's from).

You never know, we might see him back in 2-3 years time.

- Morris


He is actually from the Trail/Castlegar area , closer to Calgary than Vancouver
Ihatebrianburke
Edmonton Oilers
Location: edmonton, AB
Joined: 12.19.2010

Jun 10 @ 6:10 PM ET
Would Franson be enough to move up from 21 to 7? Too much? realistically.
- BetterCallSaul

I'd do that deal Franson and #21 overall for #7 overall
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 10 @ 6:10 PM ET
So would I. Franchise center and defensman. Both with size, speed, and skill. Kessel is good but these guys are gonna be awesome. I would kill for Hamilton or Seguin on this team
- Ihatebrianburke


Wow, even trying to keep in mind my homer attitude, I would not take either for Kessel.

Whoever gets the best player wins the trade, except when its the Leafs.

Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 10 @ 6:12 PM ET
I'd do that deal Franson and #21 overall for #7 overall
- Ihatebrianburke


I dunno man. It is an intriguing idea, kind of tough to call. I would hate to lose Franson but I would love that 7th overall pick.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jun 10 @ 6:13 PM ET
Wow, even trying to keep in mind my homer attitude, I would not take either for Kessel.

Whoever gets the best player wins the trade, except when its the Leafs.

- Aetherial

i'd take kessel over seguin and kessel over hamilton on their own. obviously, both for kessel is a lot different.

but kessel can create offense on his own, has speed, has one of the most lethal shots in the entire league, and is very underrated because he just gets shat on by the media. every time kessel has the puck in the offensive zone, my heart stops because i know there's a high chance he's about to bury it. kessel the past season or 2 has reminded me a lot of gaborik his first year in new york when he sniped 42 goals.
Yeti1181
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: I'm AWESOME, AB
Joined: 07.27.2012

Jun 10 @ 6:16 PM ET
Wow, even trying to keep in mind my homer attitude, I would not take either for Kessel.

Whoever gets the best player wins the trade, except when its the Leafs.

- Aetherial

Yeah sequin who was on pace for what 45pts this year on 82 gm schedule and has done poop in the playoffs pretty sure kessel still has more points than seguin and had one round and Hamilton has not yet look spectacular and for all the hype he should be looking amazing in his first year
Yeti1181
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: I'm AWESOME, AB
Joined: 07.27.2012

Jun 10 @ 6:17 PM ET
i'd take kessel over seguin and kessel over hamilton on their own. obviously, both for kessel is a lot different.

but kessel can create offense on his own, has speed, has one of the most lethal shots in the entire league, and is very underrated because he just gets shat on by the media. every time kessel has the puck in the offensive zone, my heart stops because i know there's a high chance he's about to bury it. kessel the past season or 2 has reminded me a lot of gaborik his first year in new york when he sniped 42 goals.

- rangerdanger94

Isn't seguin playing third line now?
Ihatebrianburke
Edmonton Oilers
Location: edmonton, AB
Joined: 12.19.2010

Jun 10 @ 6:18 PM ET
We want that 7th pick if Monahan is still available.

I think it would cost us Rielly .

To get Gardiner from us, who is more of a sure thing, it would have to be Gagner and the 7th overall pick

- Rang

Gardiner the healthy scratch/ AHL defenseman is gonna cost one of the best young 2nd line centers in the league (look at the numbers before you open your mouth) and the 7th overall in a very good draft. Get your head checked. Gardiner has potential but isn't worth that.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jun 10 @ 6:18 PM ET
Isn't seguin playing third line now?
- Yeti1181

yea but to be fair that's cuz bergeron and krejci are on the team haha
Rang
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 08.21.2006

Jun 10 @ 6:21 PM ET
Wow, even trying to keep in mind my homer attitude, I would not take either for Kessel.

Whoever gets the best player wins the trade, except when its the Leafs.

- Aetherial


I would not take both for Kessel, he is by far the best player
Yeti1181
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: I'm AWESOME, AB
Joined: 07.27.2012

Jun 10 @ 6:24 PM ET
yea but to be fair that's cuz bergeron and krejci are on the team haha
- rangerdanger94

He supposed to be a franchise player and worse than the two guys we have already. That was why everyone always said we lost the trade. As of now we have the best player by mile a top ten scorer who as he matured is starting to show the ability to take over the game.
HouseArrest187
Edmonton Oilers
Location: ITS ON LIKE DONKEYKONG.... You know.... If he was sitting on a porch..., SK
Joined: 08.01.2012

Jun 10 @ 6:25 PM ET
He supposed to be a franchise player and worse than the two guys we have already. That was why everyone always said we lost the trade. As of now we have the best player by mile a top ten scorer who as he matured is starting to show the ability to take over the game.
- Yeti1181


And that's why we took hall.
TheNugeIsHuge
Edmonton Oilers
Location: McJesus, AB
Joined: 01.09.2013

Jun 10 @ 6:25 PM ET
teubert was the #7 D man for OKC in the playoffs. Don't think he's making a comeback. Davidson, Fedun, Marincin, Musil, Klefbom, and maybe gernat/AHL vet should be the D in OKC. Teubert is gonzo
Rang
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 08.21.2006

Jun 10 @ 6:25 PM ET
Gardiner the healthy scratch/ AHL defenseman is gonna cost one of the best young 2nd line centers in the league (look at the numbers before you open your mouth) and the 7th overall in a very good draft. Get your head checked. Gardiner has potential but isn't worth that.
- Ihatebrianburke


If you a) actually watched the playoffs or b) knew what you were watching, you would know Gardiner was probably the best offensive d-man on either team in the Bruins series. He is still learning how to play NHL level defense , as Justin Schultz should be.

Gagner is OK but as you said, a 2nd line centre.

If you think you are going to get A level defense talent for spare parts, think again.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jun 10 @ 6:25 PM ET
He supposed to be a franchise player and worse than the two guys we have already. That was why everyone always said we lost the trade. As of now we have the best player by mile a top ten scorer who as he matured is starting to show the ability to take over the game.
- Yeti1181

hey man like i said i'd pick kessel over seguin straight up any day of the week.

but seguin would be your teams top center.

it's irrelevant though because if the trade never happened, nobody knows if you would've finished with the 2nd overall pick and 10th overall pick. you could've finished with a mid round pick or something. you just never know.
robin_steele264
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jun 10 @ 6:27 PM ET
I would not take both for Kessel, he is by far the best player
- Rang




I think Boston is happy with how things have gone since the trade.


TheNugeIsHuge
Edmonton Oilers
Location: McJesus, AB
Joined: 01.09.2013

Jun 10 @ 6:27 PM ET
Isn't seguin playing third line now?
- Yeti1181


he doesn't do great in the playoffs. He had 67P last year and his SH% dipped a lot. I'd still take the bruins end of the deal on that one
Yeti1181
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: I'm AWESOME, AB
Joined: 07.27.2012

Jun 10 @ 6:30 PM ET
And that's why we took hall.
- HouseArrest187

I ll admit it looks like I was wrong on that one
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