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moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 10 @ 11:45 PM ET
After reading all of today's posts I am starting to think yandle would look good paired with schenn.

Yandle-Schenn
Kimmo-Coburn
Mez-Grossmann
Gus


I could live with this. Too bad homer couldn't pull off a coots for subban deal before the season started.... Guy would have been great in o&b.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jun 10 @ 11:46 PM ET
yea yea trotsky
- FlyerMike18


I see what you did there.

In my defense, I offer up the Socialist National Football League. I'm sure you don't watch any of those Sunday games in Autumn for fear of turning Red.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jun 10 @ 11:47 PM ET
After reading all of today's posts I am starting to think yandle would look good paired with schenn.

Yandle-Schenn
Kimmo-Coburn
Mez-Grossmann
Gus


I could live with this. Too bad homer couldn't pull off a coots for subban deal before the season started.... Guy would have been great in o&b.

- moylander


Couts for Yandle I assume?
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jun 10 @ 11:48 PM ET
needless to say none of you guys found the proposed oil offers for coots tempting in the slightest, huh?
- stayinthefnnet


Not familiar...and who proposed them?

And no offense, I'll be so happy when we can stop speculating about every possible trade scenario and actually get to talk about some done deals.
FlyerMike18
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.07.2009

Jun 10 @ 11:49 PM ET
I see what you did there.

In my defense, I offer up the Socialist National Football League. I'm sure you don't watch any of those Sunday games in Autumn for fear of turning Red.

- wolfhounds


all in jest, i assure you
moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 10 @ 11:50 PM ET
Couts for Yandle I assume?
- wolfhounds


Not picky. Whoever gets the job done. I'm higher on schenn personally (faster, more o, more physical) but I see how others are higher on coots (size, defensive awareness).
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jun 10 @ 11:51 PM ET
all in jest, i assure you
- FlyerMike18


I figured as much you Capitalist swine.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jun 10 @ 11:55 PM ET
Not familiar...and who proposed them?

And no offense, I'll be so happy when we can stop speculating about every possible trade scenario and actually get to talk about some done deals.

- wolfhounds

none taken. not trying to be a smart ass but you guys probably had a good head start on them enough to be sick of them. right now, theyre all i have haha unless i want to be haunted by the repeated sound of the post ringing or thoughts of lucic stealing my wallet and girlfriend.

and they were along the lines of either the seventh overall, or petry i believe for coots
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jun 10 @ 11:56 PM ET
Not picky. Whoever gets the job done. I'm higher on schenn personally (faster, more o, more physical) but I see how others are higher on coots (size, defensive awareness).
- moylander


Honestly, I would love to hold on to both of them to see what they can become. I'd really enjoy watching them both realize their all-star potential in the O&B. But if a 1 for 1 deal can be made for a top-4 d-man, I'd move Couts first simply because I think we've already got his shutdown defensive replacement in Laughton.

Still, I opt we pick D with #11, pick up a FA or two and go from there.

20 days til draft!
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jun 10 @ 11:59 PM ET
Here's a thought...Paul Ranger.

Missed a couple few years with personal issues, but played solid hockey in the AHL this season and is a UFA. Still only 28 years of age, good size and skater.

- Jsaquella



we were talking about him a lot early this season... really thought he'd latch on to a team by now.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jun 11 @ 12:04 AM ET
none taken. not trying to be a smart ass but you guys probably had a good head start on them enough to be sick of them. right now, theyre all i have haha unless i want to be haunted by the repeated sound of the post ringing or thoughts of lucic stealing my wallet and girlfriend.

and they were along the lines of either the seventh overall, or petry i believe for coots

- stayinthefnnet


Nah, didn't take it as you being a smartass at all, stay.

Hmm, maybe if we both sneak him from behind we can get your wallet back from Lucic? I'd leave the girlfriend behind because I heard once you go big nose, you never go back.

I don't know enough about Petry to be able to judge his value, and the 7th pick is tempting, but Couts is a 20 year old player with 2 years of NHL experience under his belt who is already defensively sound and who should only get better and better for the next 5 seasons while he fills out and gains more confidence...so I personally would only trade him for an established player with some serious upside.
therealagent
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 01.15.2012

Jun 11 @ 12:46 AM ET
you forgot about edler
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jun 11 @ 1:42 AM ET
you forgot about edler
- therealagent

Simmonds for him?
Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Jun 11 @ 6:57 AM ET
We all understand that. Writing checks is heart-wrenching. But then as an intelligent business man, he should know a thriving, healthy league leads to bigger checks.

Although there's no doubt the problem is more complex with some owners being free-loaders who don't want to spend anything, therefore they won't successfully build any real fan base, but will still want league help. The worst kinds of ownership are the cheap ones. Seriously, cheap and sports franchise just don't go together.

Regardless, the league as a whole needs much better management, and that comes down on Gary "2-Time-Lockout" Bettman.

- wolfhounds


I'm going to partially disagree with that. The NHL players union has, in the past, been probably the most corrupt sports union in the major sports. Combined with a loyal membership who would jump off a cliff like lemmings if the union told them to, provided many of the impasses. Every NHLPA leader for the last 30 years (except for Paul Kelly who was stabbed in the back by Chris Chelios and his cohorts) has blatantly lied and cheated the membership for their own gain.

The leadership without fail also demonizes the owners to no end when it comes to labor issues. Players may love the checks the owners write but even the most player friendly owners in the league couldn't convince the players that they were telling the truth the last negotiations.

The other sticking point is that the NHL players are for the most part solvent unlike their brethren in other leagues who live paycheck to paycheck despite receiving millions. That means they are much more willing and able to lose a paycheck if the union tells them they are fighting the good fight. Unfortunately, for the union membership that's what it comes down to. Do I need the money? Players rarely ever ask "Am i fighting the good fight? Is this worth losing millions in pay that i will never get back? Are we asking the right questions?".

Instead of fighting the changes themselves, the players should be fighting on how these changes will be implemented. They could have influenced the shape the cap took (to benefit the smaller teams more if they so desired) if they hadn't spent all their energy on fighting the cap in the first place.

Bettman and the owners definately have their warts but the NHLPA is much worse.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 11 @ 8:33 AM ET
I'm going to partially disagree with that. The NHL players union has, in the past, been probably the most corrupt sports union in the major sports. Combined with a loyal membership who would jump off a cliff like lemmings if the union told them to, provided many of the impasses. Every NHLPA leader for the last 30 years (except for Paul Kelly who was stabbed in the back by Chris Chelios and his cohorts) has blatantly lied and cheated the membership for their own gain.

The leadership without fail also demonizes the owners to no end when it comes to labor issues. Players may love the checks the owners write but even the most player friendly owners in the league couldn't convince the players that they were telling the truth the last negotiations.

The other sticking point is that the NHL players are for the most part solvent unlike their brethren in other leagues who live paycheck to paycheck despite receiving millions. That means they are much more willing and able to lose a paycheck if the union tells them they are fighting the good fight. Unfortunately, for the union membership that's what it comes down to. Do I need the money? Players rarely ever ask "Am i fighting the good fight? Is this worth losing millions in pay that i will never get back? Are we asking the right questions?".

Instead of fighting the changes themselves, the players should be fighting on how these changes will be implemented. They could have influenced the shape the cap took (to benefit the smaller teams more if they so desired) if they hadn't spent all their energy on fighting the cap in the first place.

Bettman and the owners definately have their warts but the NHLPA is much worse.

- Flyers_01


It is simply not true that every NHLPA leader has blatantly lied and cheated the membership for their own gain. How specifically did Donald Fehr lie and cheat the players? And where are you getting this information from that "their brethren in other leagues who live paycheck to paycheck despite receiving millions? Ryan Howard, Roy Halladay, Cole Hamels, and Cliff Lee, who all make over 20M a year, are living paycheck to paycheck?
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