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KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Jun 10 @ 2:03 PM ET
And you are saying they would go to Vancouver for it
- Yeti1181


Nobody said that.
hankthetank
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: I went to school for journalism. Our job was to be a mirror. We were to be the watchdog for society.
Joined: 07.03.2007

Jun 10 @ 2:03 PM ET
Disappointed I wasn't in here earlier when Oilers and Leafs fans were reacting so emotionally to the blog. Nicely done, Ian.
Phratz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 07.02.2006

Jun 10 @ 2:05 PM ET
What does Aquilini know about coaching that he's actually going to sit down and interview a head coach? Aquilini hires the President / GM to run the team for him. If he doesn't trust Gillis to hire the coach then he would just fire him and get someone he does trust.
- KB3Point0


So Aquaman has to know about coaching to have an interview with a coach?

I wonder if he knew about being the GM of a hockey team when he hired Gillis?

All I'm saying is I'd be suprised if Aquilini doesn't have a meeting, or supper, or goes for a walk, or plays a round of golf etc. with the potential coach. Geez, they don't even have to talk about hockey, it's all about getting to know the individual.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 10 @ 2:05 PM ET
And you are saying they would go to Vancouver for it
- Yeti1181

No...we haven't won anything. But there are other reasons to go, a winning history is not one of them.

Boston Chicago and LA have a recent winning history and some great players in place. Those, IMO, are places a coach would go to because of their recent winning history. That said, if they're winning, why would there be a coaching vacancy?
IanEsplen
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 11.22.2011

Jun 10 @ 2:06 PM ET
So Aquaman has to know about coaching to have an interview with a coach?

I wonder if he knew about being the GM of a hockey team when he hired Gillis?

All I'm saying is I'd be suprised if Aquilini doesn't have a meeting, or supper, or goes for a walk, or plays a round of golf etc. with the potential coach. Geez, they don't even have to talk about hockey, it's all about getting to know the individual.

- Phratz


So Gillis is going to hire a coach because Aquaman likes to golf with the guy?
Phratz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 07.02.2006

Jun 10 @ 2:09 PM ET
So Gillis is going to hire a coach because Aquaman likes to golf with the guy?
- IanEsplen


You don't have to take my post so literal.

The Aquilini brothers and their father are the owners of this empire. Luigi Aqulini gets no press, but he's pulling the strings on your Vancouver Canucks.

Bank on it.
IanEsplen
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 11.22.2011

Jun 10 @ 2:11 PM ET
And you are saying they would go to Vancouver for it
- Yeti1181


No, coaches would pick Vancouver because it is one of the nicest cities in the world, their team is pretty good and the Canucks have fairly deep pockets.

People generally choose Enmonton because they are getting overpaid, no one else wants them or because their team is easy to make.


KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Jun 10 @ 2:11 PM ET
So Aquaman has to know about coaching to have an interview with a coach?

I wonder if he knew about being the GM of a hockey team when he hired Gillis?

All I'm saying is I'd be suprised if Aquilini doesn't have a meeting, or supper, or goes for a walk, or plays a round of golf etc. with the potential coach. Geez, they don't even have to talk about hockey, it's all about getting to know the individual.

- Phratz


No, you're right. If Aquilini was to meet with a potential coach it would absolutely be about getting to know the individual rather than understanding his coaching style, game plan for the team, etc.

I'm just saying that if the GM has selected the coach he wants, the only reason Aquilini is going to bother meeting with him is if he thinks it's needed to help recruit that individual or welcome him to the city / organization, not to rubber stamp the coaching choice.
IanEsplen
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 11.22.2011

Jun 10 @ 2:18 PM ET
You don't have to take my post so literal.

The Aquilini brothers and their father are the owners of this empire. Luigi Aqulini gets no press, but he's pulling the strings on your Vancouver Canucks.

Bank on it.

- Phratz


Well than God help us all.

When owners start trying to may hockey decissions it pretty much means the franchise is going to the crapper.

Owners, own
GMs, manage
Coaches, coach
Scouts, scout (although Vancouver's didn't get the memo)
players, play
Phratz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 07.02.2006

Jun 10 @ 2:22 PM ET
Well than God help us all.

When owners start trying to may hockey decissions it pretty much means the franchise is going to the crapper.

Owners, own
GMs, manage
Coaches, coach
Scouts, scout (although Vancouver's didn't get the memo)
players, play

- IanEsplen


I get what you're saying, but it's really not much different than being a CEO of a company. Surround yourself with good people who are smarter than you, let them do their thing, let them work in their fields of expertise, but when a major decision has to be made, the CEO gives the go-ahead.

It's pretty standard stuff.

LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 10 @ 2:22 PM ET
Well than God help us all.

When owners start trying to may hockey decissions it pretty much means the franchise is going to the crapper.

Owners, own
GMs, manage
Coaches, coach
Scouts, scout (although Vancouver's didn't get the memo)
players, play

- IanEsplen

LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 10 @ 2:25 PM ET
I get what you're saying, but it's really not much different than being a CEO of a company. Surround yourself with good people who are smarter than you, let them do their thing, let them work in their fields of expertise, but when a major FINANCIAL decision has to be made, the CEO gives the go-ahead.

It's pretty standard stuff.

- Phratz

Fixed
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: This world is just a veil and the face you wear is not your own., ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jun 10 @ 2:26 PM ET
There is less pressure in Edmonton to win now, making the playoffs is acceptable next season. This is not the case in Vancouver. Less pressure on a rookie NHL coach. That's why he is a fit in Edmonton, can you blame him?
- VanHockeyGuy



Sort of true -- Eakins makes more sense for a younger team with plenty of upside.

Canucks are in a win-now or washed up has-beens mode depending on your point of view.
Phratz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 07.02.2006

Jun 10 @ 2:27 PM ET
Fixed
- LeftCoaster


Haha depends on the CEO and depends on the company I guess.

Steve Jobs would have probably disagreed with you.

IanEsplen
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 11.22.2011

Jun 10 @ 2:31 PM ET
Haha depends on the CEO and depends on the company I guess.

Steve Jobs would have probably disagreed with you.


- Phratz


Do you really think Jobs was helping pick the bosses for the Plants in China?
Phratz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 07.02.2006

Jun 10 @ 2:34 PM ET
Do you really think Jobs was helping pick the bosses for the Plants in China?
- IanEsplen


I said major decisions

IanEsplen
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 11.22.2011

Jun 10 @ 2:41 PM ET
I said major decisions
- Phratz


How is that not somewhat major?

The guy who oversees making the Ipads and Iphones is kind of like the coach. He makes sure the product is made quick and right so that it entertains people.

Workers start slacking and the Ipads and Iphones come out as crap and Jobs has a problem in his hands.
KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Jun 10 @ 2:43 PM ET
I get what you're saying, but it's really not much different than being a CEO of a company. Surround yourself with good people who are smarter than you, let them do their thing, let them work in their fields of expertise, but when a major decision has to be made, the CEO gives the go-ahead.

It's pretty standard stuff.

- Phratz


You absolutely nailed it here, until the "but."
Phratz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 07.02.2006

Jun 10 @ 2:53 PM ET
You absolutely nailed it here, until the "but."
- KB3Point0


Well, why did Gillis have to present a plan to ownership at the end of the season?

Because the Aquilini group had to approve or veto it.

A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jun 10 @ 2:54 PM ET
Do you really think Jobs was helping pick the bosses for the Plants in China?
- IanEsplen

Yes, Yes he was, karmas a female dog.
IanEsplen
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 11.22.2011

Jun 10 @ 2:56 PM ET
Well, why did Gillis have to present a plan to ownership at the end of the season?

Because the Aquilini group had to approve or veto it.

- Phratz


So they knew what was going on and how much money they were going to have to dish out next year.

I highly doubt there would be any vetoing the plan.

It would be more like firing if they didn't like the plan.
KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Jun 10 @ 3:03 PM ET
Well, why did Gillis have to present a plan to ownership at the end of the season?

Because the Aquilini group had to approve or veto it.

- Phratz


Yes.
Phratz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 07.02.2006

Jun 10 @ 3:05 PM ET
So they knew what was going on and how much money they were going to have to dish out next year.

I highly doubt there would be any vetoing the plan.

It would be more like firing if they didn't like the plan.

- IanEsplen


Uh huh....then they have a GM on their books for another 3-4 years. Makes total sense.

Snowmanonfire
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Rockwood, ON
Joined: 03.26.2013

Jun 10 @ 3:05 PM ET
T.O doesn't care what Gillis has to say just look at the mess he created - Reimer did well with only being paid a fraction of your #1 chock artist. Eakins wouldn't have signed in Vancouver because it's a disaster in the making more than 10 guys unsigned already at the cap. Eakins is not a stupid man he told the Leafs he wanted to be an NHL coach and they gave permission to any team.

My guess your going to get a lame duck dude to coach in Vancouver someone Gillis can blame when they mess up again.

I'm glad my team doesn't define itself on a team on the other side of the continent they have there own issues to deal with ie., more than 10 million below the cap 0 bad contracts with two years to buy out anyone or take on a bad contract to buyout so they could get a quality player in the mix.

I think Gillis and the Nucks feel the pinch of being offered 2 second round picks and a backup goalie who's paid under 700k. That my friends will be the best offer Vancouver gets for Luongo he's been toiled around since last season he has confidence issues and while he could have been moved somehow he wasn't and in a few weeks the Vancouver fire sale will begin in earnest. I say 5 roster players from last year are gone for chump change picks.

But then again those of you who envy Toronto because the GTA has more people than all the provinces from Manitoba to BC because lets face it it's a good place to be.... We don't care if you interview whomever it just shows that Vancouver realizes where the quality is. it's certainly not from your development system.
KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Jun 10 @ 3:09 PM ET
Uh huh....then they have a GM on their books for another 3-4 years. Makes total sense.
- Phratz


Uhhh...
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