Ah, that makes sense. They're kinda screwed then.
- therealagent

Thats why I think a Sharp trade could tempt them just in cap and value return. Hypithetical the Avs offer

PA Paretnau (4m) and Elliott (900k) for Sharp (5.9m) and Olesz (2.2m) plus another asset for taking the Olesz contract

I think Sharp would be trade bait, he seems like the player to move out of all the high priced forwards, he is their heart and soul, but Hossa is just so clutch in the playoffs. They will try and unload Olesz's contract or buy him out to save an extra 2 million. If they trade sharp for a cheaper 2nd line forward (3-4m man) and a dman (1-2m) they will be safe
- DDM-Coga

i'm sure the blackhawks management would prefer to trade away a guy like sharp and keep hossa on his value deal, but again, having a $9.2 million cap hit for 3 seasons when hossa isn't even playing and retires is ridiculous and could cost them toews or kane in the future.

the NHL designed this cap recapture thing to intentionally screw teams and force them to buyout the players signed to the long-term front-loaded deals that they told them not to do so that they spend all the money buying the player out and can't even use him. pretty gutless, but they did warn everyone that there would be very, very strict punishment for teams that violated the spirit of the previous CBA.

- PoileRulezzzYo

What can I say? I like the feeling of having her beneath me.

i'm sure the blackhawks management would prefer to trade away a guy like sharp and keep hossa on his value deal, but again, having a $9.2 million cap hit for 3 seasons when hossa isn't even playing and retires is ridiculous and could cost them toews or kane in the future.

the NHL designed this cap recapture thing to intentionally screw teams and force them to buyout the players signed to the long-term front-loaded deals that they told them not to do so that they spend all the money buying the player out and can't even use him. pretty gutless, but they did warn everyone that there would be very, very strict punishment for teams that violated the spirit of the previous CBA.
- rangerdanger94

Hossa's contact is ridiculous in term but they made that mess themselves. So who knows what management will do, whats worth more to them, to win again now and worry later, or try and fix the mess again now and have 2010 fire sale all over again to try and build for the stable future.

Hossa's contact is ridiculous in term but they made that mess themselves. So who knows what management will do, whats worth more to them, to win again now and worry later, or try and fix the mess again now and have 2010 fire sale all over again to try and build for the stable future.
- DDM-Coga

if i'm a GM, i have to sit down and do some math and figure out what's best for this team in the long run. if i realize that we might be hit with a cap hit of almost $10 million for 3 seasons for a retired player, around the same time guys like keith, toews, and kane are UFA, then i probably buyout hossa next season...or this season if i decide that it's best in the short-run because it will allow us to sign our bottom 6 guys so we can actually compete next year.

basically, if chicago trades sharp to free up cap space, they'll be forced to buyout hossa next offseason anyway, so now they're without both sharp and hossa. if they just buyout hossa now, then they keep sharp long-term while being able to extend their depth guys like bickell and stalberg. if they don't do anything, then they're a top-heavy team with only 2 good lines and no depth and probably won't compete for a cup anyway.

so let me get this straight,
you expect the flyers to trade a 19 year old player with two years of experience in the NHL who is still on a rookie contract(flyers have no cap space) for a defensive prospect who might not play in the NHL next year let alone this year?

I am not saying couturier or brayden schenn is untouchable. simply saying a player such as darnell nurse will NOT be enough to get the trade done.
Throw in Klefbom, or next years first rounder and maybe philly thinks about it.
why would philly want a d prospect like Nurse when couturier could easily be the center piece of a trade for a young dman with NHL experience such as Bogosian or shattenkirk?
- flyguy1911

Shatt and Bogo both had a better PPG than Couturier.

Don't know if a guy with 4 goals this year is worth a 7th overall pick in the deepest draft in a decade and a top D prospect like Klefbom

Shatt and Bogo both had a better PPG than Couturier.

Don't know if a guy with 4 goals this year is worth a 7th overall pick in the deepest draft in a decade and a top D prospect like Klefbom
- TheNugeIsHuge

Agreed.

Shatt and Bogo both had a better PPG than Couturier.

Don't know if a guy with 4 goals this year is worth a 7th overall pick in the deepest draft in a decade and a top D prospect like Klefbom
- TheNugeIsHuge

honestly you're underestimating couturier A LOT. this kid should've gone 2nd overall. he's gonna be a superstar.

My guess is Petry plus a 2nd for Coutourier would probably make sense for both teams. Flyers badly need to shed some cap space on their defence, and Petry is a serviceable #4 defenceman with upside, who can move the puck and comes at a very reasonable cost.

*edit* Or possibly Petry straight up for Coutourier might get it done, I think the Flyers are extremely desperate to shed some cap space on their defence.

You have to give quality to get quality. Personally I'm not 100% sold on Petry, he's too soft and now that Schultz is here he's redundant somewhat. Oilers need to get a bit bigger and tougher in the 2nd - 3rd defence position to be successful in my opinion.
- bazmagoo

how does that make sense for both teams? EDM loses their best D man? For a 2C? 2 more years of rebuilding?

Also Petry is like 40th in hits in the league. Don't know how that's soft

honestly you're underestimating couturier A LOT. this kid should've gone 2nd overall. he's gonna be a superstar.
- rangerdanger94

until I see it, I won't believe the hype

You are right in that Petry does play very well positionally, but he isn't an effective body checker at all. Do you think any forwards in the league come down the ice with any hesitation because Petry is on the right side?

I doubt any forwards fear Jeff Petry in any way shape or form. Just like Ralph Petry is expendable because of circumstance alone. The Oilers were gifted Justin Schultz, and that's why Petry is expendable.
- bazmagoo

until I see it, I won't believe the hype
- TheNugeIsHuge

understandable.

but he's already shown he's going to be one of the top-5 2-way centers in the league when he completely shut down malkin last year.

when you think of couturier, think patrice begeron, only a higher offensive ceiling.

honestly you're underestimating couturier A LOT. this kid should've gone 2nd overall. he's gonna be a superstar.
- rangerdanger94

Just looking at the PPG doesn't tell his value. You look at Bergeron, you dont look at his PPG for his value, defensive play and faceoffs and just being clutch.,

Couturier plays just like him, but I think with a bit more game breaking ability with his skill.

understandable.

but he's already shown he's going to be one of the top-5 2-way centers in the league when he completely shut down malkin last year.

when you think of couturier, think patrice begeron, only a higher offensive ceiling.
- rangerdanger94

you just beat me too it

who do oilers fans think has more value, Hall or Eberle?

not trolling, just curious.
- SuperHenderson13

Hall. Best player on the team. 9th in league scoring and missed 3 games

understandable.

but he's already shown he's going to be one of the top-5 2-way centers in the league when he completely shut down malkin last year.

when you think of couturier, think patrice begeron, only a higher offensive ceiling.
- rangerdanger94

malkin had 8P in 6 playoff games last year. Wasn't really shut down

malkin had 8P in 6 playoff games last year. Wasn't really shut down
- TheNugeIsHuge

But as a rookie to have a the responsability to have the task to shut down the second best player in the world. Tells a lot. But everyone and their dog had points in that series. Its not like they were 2-1 games

I dont see us moving any prospect with the name Marincin or Klefbom UNLESS its in a package for a legit top 2 defender. Cough Shattenkirk cough Bouwmeester cough

7th and Klefbom for a Signed Shattenkirk or Klef and a 2nd for bouwmeester?
- JShack

considering what STL gave up for Jbo. I think it's safe to say Klefbom is too much . Maybe a 30YO swiss goalie

Teams like Philly, NYR, STL, CHI are up against the cap wall they CANNOT go into next year with their current rosters. After resigning their RFA's and UFA's they will be well over the cap especially CHI and PHI, meaning PHI would not trade an affordable ELC and CHI has no choice but to trade big dollars off their books. Any trade made by said teams will involve big name players being moved for picks and prospects or young players with affordable contracts. Anyway you slice it there will be no immediate upgrade for these teams. You can't trade Couturier+ for a top Dmen.............. They just don't have the cap space.

But as a rookie to have a the responsability to have the task to shut down the second best player in the world. Tells a lot. But everyone and their dog had points in that series. Its not like they were 2-1 games
- DDM-Coga

I mean it's impressive that Laviolette trusted him with those minutes, but I don't see how he was "shut down". 8P is still Malkin level good. His BOS series point totals, that's getting shut down

malkin had 8P in 6 playoff games last year. Wasn't really shut down
- TheNugeIsHuge

do you remember that series tho?

and i believe he got most if not all of his point in the first 2 games and then they put coots on him and he was scoreless the rest of the series or something.

Teams like Philly, NYR, STL, CHI are up against the cap wall they CANNOT go into next year with their current rosters. After resigning their RFA's and UFA's they will be well over the cap especially CHI and PHI, meaning PHI would not trade an affordable ELC and CHI has no choice but to trade big dollars off their books. Any trade made by said teams will involve big name players being moved for picks and prospects or young players with affordable contracts. Anyway you slice it there will be no immediate upgrade for these teams. You can't trade Couturier+ for a top Dmen.............. They just don't have the cap space.
- Mr.Awsome

get NYR off that list

I mean it's impressive that Laviolette trusted him with those minutes, but I don't see how he was "shut down". 8P is still Malkin level good. His BOS series point totals, that's getting shut down
- TheNugeIsHuge

No its not taking him off scoresheet completely, but hey out of the 50 some goals scored in those games, not bad for a rookie. Just saying having him over Gagner as your second line centre, who would you rather have?

Teams like Philly, NYR, STL, CHI are up against the cap wall they CANNOT go into next year with their current rosters. After resigning their RFA's and UFA's they will be well over the cap especially CHI and PHI, meaning PHI would not trade an affordable ELC and CHI has no choice but to trade big dollars off their books. Any trade made by said teams will involve big name players being moved for picks and prospects or young players with affordable contracts. Anyway you slice it there will be no immediate upgrade for these teams. You can't trade Couturier+ for a top Dmen.............. They just don't have the cap space.
- Mr.Awsome

Philly is going to buyout Briere and Bryz, thats 12 mill in cap space, they will be fine

I mean it's impressive that Laviolette trusted him with those minutes, but I don't see how he was "shut down". 8P is still Malkin level good. His BOS series point totals, that's getting shut down
- TheNugeIsHuge

Malkin only had 1 pt when he and Couturier were on the ice at the same time.