so let me get this straight,
you expect the flyers to trade a 19 year old player with two years of experience in the NHL who is still on a rookie contract(flyers have no cap space) for a defensive prospect who might not play in the NHL next year let alone this year?

I am not saying couturier or brayden schenn is untouchable. simply saying a player such as darnell nurse will NOT be enough to get the trade done.
Throw in Klefbom, or next years first rounder and maybe philly thinks about it.
why would philly want a d prospect like Nurse when couturier could easily be the center piece of a trade for a young dman with NHL experience such as Bogosian or shattenkirk?
- flyguy1911

Couturier alone wouldn't land one of those players.

Personally I would be choked if the Oilers traded a top pick for Couturier.

I dont see us moving any prospect with the name Marincin or Klefbom UNLESS its in a package for a legit top 2 defender. Cough Shattenkirk cough Bouwmeester cough

7th and Klefbom for a Signed Shattenkirk or Klef and a 2nd for bouwmeester?
- JShack

no man jus no, shattenkirk is a free agent, bouwmeester is expensive and overated and pretty soft. essentially trading two blue chip first rounders ... that son, is giving up

ur ok with trading ebs?
- derm10

he seems to have the most value and is the easiest to deal with if he left. so no , but if we get a top nhl d-man. yes

I have a very hard time seeing Philly trading Couturier for a player who may (or may not) help them 3+ years down the road. Very few defencemen make the jump and can contribute at all before they're 21 or older. Seems like a great fit for Edmonton, poor fit for Philly. Too much risk, too long till they get any return (if they get any).
- KB3Point0

Exactly.

Kinda late to the conversation, but I still wanted to pitch in my two cents:

Couturier is the type of player (tall and lanky, strong defensive game) who can take a long time to fully develop. The Flyers could end up REALLY regretting trading him if they ever do.

I, for one, hope they don't trade him for anything other than a #1 defenseman.

Couturier for an established NHL defenseman seems more plausible to me. If they're trading away one of the better young players in the game it's not gonna be for a pick that may or may not turn out.

My guess is Petry plus a 2nd for Coutourier would probably make sense for both teams. Flyers badly need to shed some cap space on their defence, and Petry is a serviceable #4 defenceman with upside, who can move the puck and comes at a very reasonable cost.

*edit* Or possibly Petry straight up for Coutourier might get it done, I think the Flyers are extremely desperate to shed some cap space on their defence.

You have to give quality to get quality. Personally I'm not 100% sold on Petry, he's too soft and now that Schultz is here he's redundant somewhat. Oilers need to get a bit bigger and tougher in the 2nd - 3rd defence position to be successful in my opinion.
- bazmagoo

Petry and a 2nd for Couts? lol...or better yet, Petry straight up for him? hahahaha...not gonna get it done...its gotta be the #7pick+

Bruins sure did look beatable when they were down by 3 in the 3rd period of game 7...

Really? There are so many reasons the flyers would not make this deal:

1. Why would we give up a proven NHL player with a huge upside for something that might pan out?
2. Why would we trade one of our best assets for something that might, or might not, be a viable player? We are in effect talking about trading up 4 spots.
3. Perhaps you throw in a second asset? Haha, what?! Moving up four spots and a 2nd pick for Cooter?!
4. We did not move him to aquire Weber - why would we do it this time?
5. We could trade him, but that would be in a whole different package. Remember - Coots is great defensively, so the defensive gain here is not that big. Really.

My guess is that these are thoughts being thrown around the Edmonton offices, not something the Flyers would even consider. I can not, in my wildest imagination, see Homer even considering doing this move. If anything, Coots might be traded to get us up to 4th-2nd, not 7th.

That said, I am very biased, and I might value Coots too high. And, we have a loose cannon as our GM so you never know.

Would be an awesome move for Edmonton though!
- Bearintheforest

The proposal wasn't Philly's 1st and Couts for the #7 pick...it was the #7 pick and a 2nd asset for Couts...so Philly would have two 1sts...#7 and #11, maybe package them both to move into the top3?

The proposal wasn't Philly's 1st and Couts for the #7 pick...it was the #7 pick and a 2nd asset for Couts...so Philly would have two 1sts...#7 and #11, maybe package them both to move into the top3?
- BoBBeR56

I see that it could be misinterpreted using the term moving up, when what I meant was adding a higher pick. I blame the language barrier.

Well, if it could be packaged and swapped for a top three it is starting to get intersting. Still reluctant to part with coots though.

How sure are we that the soon-to-be top three will turn out awesome?

I don't see him trying for those guys. Brayden Schenn or Sean Courturier would be excellent additions that I could see MacT. going after.
- longbottom

I can see the intrigue but I don't think the full puzzle has formed yet. I still think MacT is going to make a run at moving up a spot or two. I also think he is going to get more for Hemsky than people think. This isn't a bad trade, it gets us our size but the potential upside is not the same as it would be with one of the top 6 from this draft and I think all 6 are ready to step into a line 3 role at least.

Maybe I am sold on the hype but I keep watching games with these players (Nich, Barkov and Monahan) and they all look amazing. IMO these guys will be playing better for us half way through the season than Schenn or Couturier. Although I think Monahan won't be a better grinder for a year or two. He is okay now but he could use some muscle mass. He is 186 now but I think with some training from the Oilers he can be 215 in a couple years with muscle work.

No thanks, I'd much rather have ristolanen or pulock and one of them will be available at 11. Read nurse's scouting report and then read coburns from his draft year, it's exactly the same. We don't need anymore big, hard hitting defense men, we need puck movers, and badly. So the only way I see cooter playing in EDM is if Justin Schultz is part of the return.

I see that it could be misinterpreted using the term moving up, when what I meant was adding a higher pick. I blame the language barrier.

Well, if it could be packaged and swapped for a top three it is starting to get intersting. Still reluctant to part with coots though.

How sure are we that the soon-to-be top three will turn out awesome?
- Bearintheforest

Not the top 3. The top 4 will be Awesome and I haven't heard a scout disagree. This is an amazing draft class. Quite unique. Dmen are harder to predict as defense does require a skill and experience more than offense. That is why they normally hit their prime later. Still Seth seems like a one of pick.

Barkov and Monahan are extremely likely to be top line players in a 3 years or so. There are also Gems throughout the draft that might turn out great but are ranked lower for different reasons. Like Petan with his huge points is ranked low because he is 5'9. He is also a safe bet. Max Domi will be good but he is also small and has diabetes. However he is all muscle and still gets put in the top 10 in some rankings.

You don't HAVE to trade up to get a great player but these 6 are quite good. Youtube highlight reels will show you why. Also TSN has some scouting videos on them.

No thanks, I'd much rather have ristolanen or pulock and one of them will be available at 11. Read nurse's scouting report and then read coburns from his draft year, it's exactly the same. We don't need anymore big, hard hitting defense men, we need puck movers, and badly. So the only way I see cooter playing in EDM is if Justin Schultz is part of the return.
- Girouxsalem90

First Ristolanen will probably go before Nurse but you can probably get Pulock. As for the Oilers trading Schultz for cooter, that doesn't even deserve a response. There is no one on your team that you can offer that is worth Schultz.

Maybeeee.

We can send Horcoff down to the minors, and we lose the 5.5 millon ?

What do you mean the bruins have not looked beatable and the Hawk have!! The lowly Leafs took them to game 7 overtime!!

First Ristolanen will probably go before Nurse but you can probably get Pulock. As for the Oilers trading Schultz for cooter, that doesn't even deserve a response. There is no one on your team that you can offer that is worth Schultz.
- bsteinley

What do you mean the bruins have not looked beatable and the Hawk have!! The lowly Leafs took them to game 7 overtime!!
- Bullot

Then lost, giving up a 4-1 lead...

marc staal is a legit #1 defender and was the rangers best defenseman before his concussion and regained that form right before the eye injury. he'll be back at that level by the all-star break and is exactly what you guys need: a physical, mobile, tough, 2-way defenseman that excels in the defensive aspect of the game, can eat up minutes, and is starting to really add good offense to his game. he's just entering his peak, has already been an allstar, and was the rangers #1 defenseman successfully for years before mcdonagh and girardi's emergence and probably would still be if it wasn't for the injuries.
- rangerdanger94

except Staal will sign in Carolina in a year...

Not to rip on you dude, but that will never work. Kruger has it right when you roll all four lines. Not only does it keep guys in the game, but look at the hawks and bruins, one thing they've done great this postseason is roll all four lines and often enough it's those fourth line guys winning games. Bostons fourth line killed the rangers, the hawks fourth line took it to the kings. It really pays off in over time, you saw both the hawks and bruins play their fourth lines in OT where as the kings and pens were did not and didn't use them for more then a breather for their stars. That fourth line can't simply be a tuff line that you put out to make a few big hits and get in fights. Whitch is why the oilers traded for brown, if they wanted guys to sit on the bench and only play a few minutes in none key aspects of the game eager and hordachuck would still have jobs. There will be nights when your top lines just don't come through thats why you need those bottom two lines to be more then just tuffs. Greggory camble is a fourth line center do you doubt his willingness to pay the price for his team and be albe to make game changing plays or kills? Thats what a good fourthline does and if i'm not much mistaken after cambell broke his leg, played another minutes the bruins played ten times better from that point on. Thats the kind of tuffness the oilers need. Now thats just my opinion
- deadsector

I agree, you roll all for lines. Krueger's coaching strategy he rolled out before the start of the year with red players being defenders is a sound strategy. He wanted to build line 3 and 4 to be defensive and 1 and 2 offensive. Use 3 and 4 for shutdown and PK and then hit them with 1 and 2. Great theory, I loved it and many coaches do it. Not to the degree he had planned. He just never employed it. He started the season and then put Smyth, Belanger and Horcoff on the PP. He would put out Smyth who was a shutdown guy out when we pulled the goalie with Hemsky, Yak and Gagner on the bench. They scored on us to spoil the ending of that. Yak started strong and then he was on the fourth line. Then the third. Then finally the second and he went on a tear again.

Then he blamed the team for not getting on board with his strategy. Thats the coaches job. Explain your strategy to the team. That should be job 1. This is the NHL and they are professionals. Even the rookies have played on professional teams before with coaching strategies. If you can't communicate to your team and you are a motivational speaker, there is a disconnect. Sad because I like the guy. He didn't get much chance but it was enough to see that he needed help. MacT made the call that he needed more and right now I am trusting in MacT.

so let me get this straight,
you expect the flyers to trade a 19 year old player with two years of experience in the NHL who is still on a rookie contract(flyers have no cap space) for a defensive prospect who might not play in the NHL next year let alone this year?

I am not saying couturier or brayden schenn is untouchable. simply saying a player such as darnell nurse will NOT be enough to get the trade done.
Throw in Klefbom, or next years first rounder and maybe philly thinks about it.
why would philly want a d prospect like Nurse when couturier could easily be the center piece of a trade for a young dman with NHL experience such as Bogosian or shattenkirk?
- flyguy1911

sorry... but after a ho hum season last season, the th overall should be enough or its a rip off for the oilers. sean for bogo maybe if the flyers throw in a bit more... no way on shattenkirk

Richard Cloutier: Couturier to Oilers?
- Maxbone

Ya prolly not.

I have an easier time seeing them trading Couturier for a Myers or Shattenkirk or MDZ.

Bruins sure did look beatable when they were down by 3 in the 3rd period of game 7...
- Rseen

Yep...

First Ristolanen will probably go before Nurse but you can probably get Pulock. As for the Oilers trading Schultz for cooter, that doesn't even deserve a response. There is no one on your team that you can offer that is worth Schultz.
- bsteinley

Nurse is consistently ranked in the top ten. In all rankings. Ristolainen is ranked everywhere from top 10 to low first round. I think there is a pretty clear consensus that Nurse is the 2nd best Dman in the draft behind Jones. Strange things happen though so you never know.

First Ristolanen will probably go before Nurse but you can probably get Pulock. As for the Oilers trading Schultz for cooter, that doesn't even deserve a response. There is no one on your team that you can offer that is worth Schultz.
- bsteinley

I think there's a trade to be made between edm and phi but if it's involving coots Schultz is coming back in return. Not a straight up trade obviously, maybe coots and read for Schultz and rajala or marincin.