Good read on the Canucks off season training, for anyone interested;

http://canucks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=673069&navid=DL|VAN|home

Not sure how much you can really take from this, but to me it sounds like Edler is definitely in the Canucks' plans for next season by the sound of his training regimen.

I suppose I could be reading into it too much, though.

That wasnt the problem. The problem was how we dealt with the loss of those 2. A Ballard/Bieksa shutdown pairing, followed by Ballard in the press box and AHLberts paired with Tanev. Ridiculous. (frank) Bowness I hope he burns in hell.
- DrChristianTroy

You might not have agreed with how they used the replacements, but the point the series turned was when we lost those 2. Hamhuis' loss was absolutely crippling.

A very quick analysis of the Canucks cap situation is all it takes to see they're set up much better than most teams for this season. Removing Luongo & Ballard leaves them with most of their roster full. Just need to resign Tanev, fill #7 D, #11-13 forwards. And of course, the elusive 3rd line centre, who they should have about $3M to use.

Gillis has flexibility to make it work, now he just has to do it right.
- KB3Point0

This is completely delusional.

You realize when you magically "remove" Ballard and Luongo you'll need to replace them with salary? They currently have only 17 players signed for next year, meaning that'll be actually 15 when Ballard and Luongo are gone. Sure they'd then have about 9.5M in Cap room, but they'll need to add 7 or 8 players. And any salary they'd be forced to keep in a Luongo deal (a possibility) stays on their Cap too.

Their simplest way our of the mess is also the most difficult...buying out Booth and Luongo and then trading Ballard. We'll see how Ownership feels about that though.

You might not have agreed with how they used the replacements, but the point the series turned was when we lost those 2. Hamhuis' loss was absolutely crippling.
- KB3Point0

Bullsh!t. I'm not going to whine about the loss of a top 4 d-man when our coaches CHOSE to leave a top 4 d-man in the press box who could have replaced him.

Edler Bieksa
Ehrhoff Salo
Ballard Tanev

More than enough to compete.

I think you miss understood me or I wrote it like crap. That's kinda my point. I was saying more of a what if scenario. Ballard at 4 now doesn't look unmovable that's for sure. I hope he has a bounce back year where ever he ends up.
- allen_gamble

Agree. I think he'll end up playing very well as a #4 D-man somewhere next year. In fact, with AV gone, if they do trade Edler, it could even be here...

I. LOL. AT. THIS.
- Gullzy

Good response.

Burrows simply won't be traded.

His value on the ice is just so much higher than anything they would receive in a trade.
- Fosco

Highly unlikely Burrows is traded, but probably more likely than Kesler. Would absolutely need a lot of value back though.

Burrows is 32, no trade doesn't kick in till July 1. Cap hit goes up to $4.5 for next 4 years.

Highly unlikely Burrows is traded, but probably more likely than Kesler. Would absolutely need a lot of value back though.

Burrows is 32, no trade doesn't kick in till July 1. Cap hit goes up to $4.5 for next 4 years.
- KB3Point0

There's no point in trading a player if the return doesn't justify the trade.

Anything's possible, but I just don't think there's a team out there that values him as much as the Canucks do.

There's no point in trading a player if the return doesn't justify the trade.

Anything's possible, but I just don't think there's a team out there that values him as much as the Canucks do.
- Fosco

The return is Cap relief.

Good read on the Canucks off season training, for anyone interested;

http://canucks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=673069&navid=DL|VAN|home

Not sure how much you can really take from this, but to me it sounds like Edler is definitely in the Canucks' plans for next season by the sound of his training regimen.

I suppose I could be reading into it too much, though.
- Fosco

IMO he's not going to be traded...but wudoIknow!

The return is Cap relief.
- djamon

There are much better ways to get cap relief than trading a valuable player like Burrows!

There are much better ways to get cap relief than trading a valuable player like Burrows!
- LeftCoaster

Agreed. Dumping Burrows for cap relief is insane.

This is completely delusional.

You realize when you magically "remove" Ballard and Luongo you'll need to replace them with salary? They currently have only 17 players signed for next year, meaning that'll be actually 15 when Ballard and Luongo are gone. Sure they'd then have about 9.5M in Cap room, but they'll need to add 7 or 8 players. And any salary they'd be forced to keep in a Luongo deal (a possibility) stays on their Cap too.

Their simplest way our of the mess is also the most difficult...buying out Booth and Luongo and then trading Ballard. We'll see how Ownership feels about that though.
- djamon

It's simple math. $1.75M for Tanev. $1M each for #7D & #11,12,13 forward. Leaves approx $3M for 3rd line centre. And all that takes is trading Ballard & Luongo.

Bullsh!t. I'm not going to whine about the loss of a top 4 d-man when our coaches CHOSE to leave a top 4 d-man in the press box who could have replaced him.

Edler Bieksa
Ehrhoff Salo
Ballard Tanev

More than enough to compete.
- DrChristianTroy

You stated it was around game 3 that the team started to play differently, I just followed up that that was also the same time they lost Hamhuis & Rome. Not a coincidence.

This is completely delusional.

You realize when you magically "remove" Ballard and Luongo you'll need to replace them with salary? They currently have only 17 players signed for next year, meaning that'll be actually 15 when Ballard and Luongo are gone. Sure they'd then have about 9.5M in Cap room, but they'll need to add 7 or 8 players. And any salary they'd be forced to keep in a Luongo deal (a possibility) stays on their Cap too.

Their simplest way our of the mess is also the most difficult...buying out Booth and Luongo and then trading Ballard. We'll see how Ownership feels about that though.
- djamon

We're not in cap trouble.
I thought we dispelled that notion? You're late to the party, and will look like a moron once the season comes along.

There are much better ways to get cap relief than trading a valuable player like Burrows!
- LeftCoaster

Maybe. I'm just saying that when you trade an expensive guy when you're in Cap jail you can't just look at the player return when assessing it.

The very fact that Burrows still has value (although it's diminishing at the same rate as the Sedins'...odd, eh?) makes his trade an option. Likely? No.

Mike Gillis started with a legitimate Cup contender...do you honestly think they still are? Didn't think so. Playing in the league's weakest division has masked their decline.

Yzerman hasn't set the world on fire by any means, but he's taken a weakness and made it a strength. They have a very nice prospect pool which they'll need since they're not a Cap team like the Canucks. Unfortunately they'll need to get out from under the Vinnie contract before they can really move to the next level.

As far as adding to the core I'm actually shocked that anyone would think Gillis has done it at all. THE CORE HASN'T CHANGED! His misallocation of salary has been a fireable offense alone, IMO.
- djamon

This is a fallacy. When Gillis took over the team, they had just missed the playoffs.

In fact, the Canucks only have 8 players from the team he inherited......at the time the core was not considered to contain Kesler, Burrows, Edler or Bieksa who are part of those 8. Nonis had actually been shopping Kesler, Burrows and Edler in order to bring in some scoring.....you are way off dude.....

We're not in cap trouble.
I thought we dispelled that notion? You're late to the party, and will look like a moron once the season comes along.
- Boinker

Maybe. I'm just saying that when you trade an expensive guy when you're in Cap jail you can't just look at the player return when assessing it.

The very fact that Burrows still has value (although it's diminishing at the same rate as the Sedins'...odd, eh?) makes his trade an option. Likely? No.
- djamon

Nearly every player should be an option for trade at this point, depending on the return. But I guess the point with Burrows is that were he traded it wouldn't be simply for cap relief but rather to address a need.

We only got bullied once we were up 2-0 in the series. That's when we started playing not to lose instead of playing to win. Boston played like they had nothing to lose... That will always trump a passive/safe strategy. "Playing between the whistles" is a horsesh!t gameplan. Never stop playing.
- DrChristianTroy

This.

Didn't say it would be a good asset.

Just that Edler is worth more than a 6-10 pick and something would have to compensate the difference.
- Fosco

Fair enough, but I honestly wouldn't be too confident in saying what his true trade value is in regard to this draft.

It's simple math. $1.75M for Tanev. $1M each for #7D & #11,12,13 forward. Leaves approx $3M for 3rd line centre. And all that takes is trading Ballard & Luongo.
- KB3Point0

that's only 21 players, you still need two more.

Maybe. I'm just saying that when you trade an expensive guy when you're in Cap jail you can't just look at the player return when assessing it.

The very fact that Burrows still has value (although it's diminishing at the same rate as the Sedins'...odd, eh?) makes his trade an option. Likely? No.
- djamon

IMO....no.

You stated it was around game 3 that the team started to play differently, I just followed up that that was also the same time they lost Hamhuis & Rome. Not a coincidence.
- KB3Point0

Not a coincidence only because of how it was dealt with, not who was missing. Musical chairs pairings, Ballard in the press box, AHLberts paired with a rookie.

Hamhuis was already missing when a fringe NHLer knocked Horton out for the series. We killed off a 5min PP, went to the dressing room, and came out with our tails between our legs... scared to incite any more chaos. In the 2nd & 3rd periods of that game, Edler was -4 & Ehrhoff was -3.

On another note, Bylsma & Granato should be fired in Pittsburgh.

We're not in cap trouble.
I thought we dispelled that notion? You're late to the party, and will look like a moron once the season comes along.
- Boinker

Oh I've read the takes of Canuck fans regarding their Cap situation. I just don't agree with you. lol

This summer will be painful for 'Nuck fans, Gillis and especially Canuck Ownership.