Daniel Catenacci and Ville Leino for Horcoff
Hemsky for Mattias Ekholm
Resign Jones
Sign Zubrus, Steckel

Hall-RNH-Jones
Paajarvi-Gagner-Eberle
Leino-Zubrus-Yakupov
Smyth/Lander-Steckel-Brown


J.Schultz-Smid
Petry-Ekholm
N.Schultz-Belov/Potter

Leino saves you a mill on the cap and you get a decent prospect cause his contract still has 4 years on it.

Before people freak out, take it from a Flyers fan whose seen him play plenty, Leino is PHENOMENAL when he's healthy. That obviously has a lot to do with it, but if he is healthy he's definitely worth a look. Worst comes to worst you use a compliance buy-out on him next season.

He'd be a sneaky add. Oilers are a fantastic team for him to play with, way more players that can play to his speed and style.
- mochoson

I understand the rationale of the Horcoff for Leino swap, but I'm not convinced Leino would be that great of a 3rd liner. One of the things that I think was missing was defensive awareness from the forward corps, or even one shutdown line. I think the oilers would be better to spend that 4.5 million (preferably less) on a defensive minded guy. Mind you it's not me paying for Horcoff's buyout and some two-way forwards new contract, but I think it's what would be best for the team.

All Leino jokes aside, wouldn't we be moving out a 5 million dollar Hemsky and bringing back a 4.5 million dollar Hemsky with a longer term?

I honestly don't think Homer would do the 7th for Simmonds
- mochoson

There's definitely risk. Simmonds is also young enough that he is still part of their future. I'd consider sweetening the pot, but I wouldn't get into Phil Kessel territory.

There's definitely risk. Simmonds is also young enough that he is still part of their future. I'd consider sweetening the pot, but I wouldn't get into Phil Kessel territory.
- ystoil

Hands off Simmonds

He's going to be Bostons replacement for Horton.

Hands off Simmonds

He's going to be Bostons replacement for Horton.
- fudd1689

You have enough big guys with skill. Share some with the rest of the league

Antropov should not be relied on for top six time regularly but your on the right track, yea.
- mochoson

It would only be for a maximum of 6 weeks, macT needs to find a stop gap somewhere so they don't rush nuge back and have him playing injured like so many oilers in the past

I understand the rationale of the Horcoff for Leino swap, but I'm not convinced Leino would be that great of a 3rd liner. One of the things that I think was missing was defensive awareness from the forward corps, or even one shutdown line. I think the oilers would be better to spend that 4.5 million (preferably less) on a defensive minded guy. Mind you it's not me paying for Horcoff's buyout and some two-way forwards new contract, but I think it's what would be best for the team.

All Leino jokes aside, wouldn't we be moving out a 5 million dollar Hemsky and bringing back a 4.5 million dollar Hemsky with a longer term?
- Morris

You look at it differently than me. I see four lines that can play. Between EV and PP, Leino should be around 15-17 minutes a game, closer to 20 some nights.

Leino is a very under-rated 2 way player. That's a much deeper team. Between adding him, Zubrus, and more time for Lander, you've got enough defensively responsible guys spread throughout the lineup

You look at it differently than me. I see four lines that can play. Between EV and PP, Leino should be around 15-17 minutes a game, closer to 20 some nights.

Leino is a very under-rated 2 way player. That's a much deeper team. Between adding him, Zubrus, and more time for Lander, you've got enough defensively responsible guys spread throughout the lineup
- mochoson

Not to be cynical but in the end, the whole thing might be an economic situation. I mean, that may be why they're moving on from Horcoff and if this deal existed Katz may be stingy enough to strongarm it.

If they're feeling more loose with their wallets, they may rather handpick the replacement forwards through FA than seeing what we get as a cap dump in a trade.

As I say, I don't doubt that Leino is a great player, but on paper the greatest advantage here seems to be being able to trade Horcoff.

Although young, his playoff performance has been sub par. Do you keep a consistent playoff guy in Horton? Or assume seguin becomes there go to guy in a couple years. Regardless if they are willing to listen to offers for seguin, I hope Mac t calls.

I don't know if we have enough to get it done without using one of the young guys.

Maybe:

Edm: seguin
Boston: kulikov and the 7th overall
Florida: Sam gagner, anaheims second

If I recall, Florida was listening on offers for kulikov?
- ystoil

do you think those are equal at all? aye aye aye. I'd pray to god for gagner+Ana's second for Kulikov alone. Seguin is worth more than Eberle and Nuge at this point

Daniel Catenacci and Ville Leino for Horcoff
Hemsky for Mattias Ekholm
Resign Jones
Sign Zubrus, Steckel

Hall-RNH-Jones
Paajarvi-Gagner-Eberle
Leino-Zubrus-Yakupov
Smyth/Lander-Steckel-Brown


J.Schultz-Smid
Petry-Ekholm
N.Schultz-Belov/Potter

Leino saves you a mill on the cap and you get a decent prospect cause his contract still has 4 years on it.

Before people freak out, take it from a Flyers fan whose seen him play plenty, Leino is PHENOMENAL when he's healthy. That obviously has a lot to do with it, but if he is healthy he's definitely worth a look. Worst comes to worst you use a compliance buy-out on him next season.

He'd be a sneaky add. Oilers are a fantastic team for him to play with, way more players that can play to his speed and style.
- mochoson

I like it

That's what I was thinking. I mean to me, you may get a Zack Kassian, without paying Cody Hodgson. Worth a risk, imo. He has back to back 16 goal seasons in the AHL. With Nuge and Eberle playing with him, I don't think it's ridiculous to put him down for 15 in the NHL while clearing space and going in the corners.

King would look great in the top 9 too. If Ryan Jones wasn't a UFA, he would be a good swap for King.

I'd also really look for an upgrade at centre if Monahan is off the table. Gagner + 7th for Jenner and Dubinsky?
- ystoil

Gagner>Dubinsky 7th overall>Jenner

brutal

I really like Seguin, but an Eberle for Seguin swap would be a fair deal for both teams.
- fudd1689

I think you're underselling Seguin. I'd do that in a heartbeat if I were EDM.

I like it
- TheNugeIsHuge

Even if you nix the Horcoff deal and sign another mucker like Torres/Cooke/Lapierre/Nystrom, it's still a huge improvement on this years squad.

You look at it differently than me. I see four lines that can play. Between EV and PP, Leino should be around 15-17 minutes a game, closer to 20 some nights.

Leino is a very under-rated 2 way player. That's a much deeper team. Between adding him, Zubrus, and more time for Lander, you've got enough defensively responsible guys spread throughout the lineup
- mochoson

Against popular opinion, I do not want Buffalo to get rid of or buy out Leino. He was good in the 8 games he played for us this year. He was great at the end of 11-12 when we went on that great run to almost make the playoffs.

Hes a great possession player and was misused by Ruff and the organization his first year in Buffalo. Buried on the 3rd and 4th lines with some plugs.

I certainly would not trade Leino + Catenacci for Horcoff. I'm a fan of Catenacci.

Gagner>Dubinsky 7th overall>Jenner

brutal
- TheNugeIsHuge

Brutal eh?

Dubinsky would be an upgrade on Gagner for this squad. He is bigger and plays defense. Tougher to play against. Also can chip in 50 points, like Gagner. He had a down year last year. It happens. If he played a full year this year, he would've had 56 points. Not bad. Gagner would've had 65. 9 more points. How many more goals do you think Dubinsky would prevent over Gagner?

The 7th overall could end up being better than Jenner. However Jenner has developed quite well. 6'2, two way, plays physical and has shown offensive upside. Has 5 goals and 9 points in 13 games with his taste of AHL hockey. Small sample size, but has tracked relatively well. He is closer to NHL ready than the 7th overall will be. Therefore we get a more polished prospect that can step in and help us maybe the season after next.

Maybe columbus adds something to the deal, but it is anything but brutal. Our team gets better next year and in the future. Even if that 7th turns into a star. I will add, if Monahan is on the table, I don't do the deal.

Even if you nix the Horcoff deal and sign another mucker like Torres/Cooke/Lapierre/Nystrom, it's still a huge improvement on this years squad.
- mochoson

I'd actually love Lapierre. Plays such tough minutes. Pisses people off

Brutal eh?

Dubinsky would be an upgrade on Gagner for this squad. He is bigger and plays defense. Tougher to play against. Also can chip in 50 points, like Gagner. He had a down year last year. It happens. If he played a full year this year, he would've had 56 points. Not bad. Gagner would've had 65. 9 more points. How many more goals do you think Dubinsky would prevent over Gagner?

The 7th overall could end up being better than Jenner. However Jenner has developed quite well. 6'2, two way, plays physical and has shown offensive upside. Has 5 goals and 9 points in 13 games with his taste of AHL hockey. Small sample size, but has tracked relatively well. He is closer to NHL ready than the 7th overall will be. Therefore we get a more polished prospect that can step in and help us maybe the season after next.

Maybe columbus adds something to the deal, but it is anything but brutal. Our team gets better next year and in the future. Even if that 7th turns into a star. I will add, if Monahan is on the table, I don't do the deal.
- ystoil

put up 34P in 2012. He'd be an upgrade at 3C, but Gags was just 16th in C scoring. Not an upgrade.

you could get a Backstrom-level C in Lindholm, or you could get a fringe 1C in Jenner. He's a great player not worth 7th overall. Dubinsky not worth Gagner. Bad bad

Even if you nix the Horcoff deal and sign another mucker like Torres/Cooke/Lapierre/Nystrom, it's still a huge improvement on this years squad.
- mochoson

When Cloutier makes Fedun captain he is NOT going to like have Nystrom on the squad

golden shower fleshlight
- Lahey

excellent idea... you've just been promoted to head of product development.

I don't know much about Eckholm, is he really top 4 ready?

I don't know much about Eckholm, is he really top 4 ready?
- Morris

probably not yet, but I think he's worth more than Hemmer anyway. Ekholm was a stud in Sweden and had a great year in the A

EDIT: Would you trade Marincin for Hemsky? I'd say that's where Ekholm may be at value wise

When Cloutier makes Fedun captain he is NOT going to like have Nystrom on the squad
- Morris

Captain? I thought that was Klefbom? I thought Fedun was gonna coach and manage as well as log 30 mins a night on klefbom's right side

I'd actually love Lapierre. Plays such tough minutes. Pisses people off
- TheNugeIsHuge

I like all of those guys actually. I'd also sign Cleary or Matt Hendricks, or acquire Boyle or Abdelkader, who may not be staying with their respective clubs.

probably not yet, but I think he's worth more than Hemmer anyway. Ekholm was a stud in Sweden and had a great year in the A
- TheNugeIsHuge

Yeah, he can both of course: not ready for primetime and a great return for Hemmer. There was talk of him going back to Europe permanently though eh?

I like all of those guys actually. I'd also sign Cleary or Matt Hendricks, or acquire Boyle or Abdelkader, who may not be staying with their respective clubs.
- Morris

MacT's tearing down the team (outside of the top 6 and top 3 D). I wouldn't be surprised if there were more than 7 new faces next year.
-Top 4 D, 3C,4C,3RW,2LW,4LW, backup+ maybe

Yeah, he can both of course: not ready for primetime and a great return for Hemmer. There was talk of him going back to Europe permanently though eh?
- Morris

maybe. Haven't heard that. Didn't know goncharov was going to russia either. Speaking of PHX prospects/players. What do people think of Schlemko? I might deal Hemsky for him.

Where's French to comment?