Against the Bruins of all teams too, I'm not so sure if I'd feel confident in Luongo....
- Nucker101

Didn't he shut them out twice the last time they played in the playoffs?

The Leafs know all about that.
- KB3Point0

Yes. We do. Which is exactly why I don't understand why you can't see it, having him on your roster.

Wow, if true then that's shocking that the Leafs wouldn't take Vokoun on a cheap deal.
- Nucker101

When that report came out, I near snapped. Vokoun is a good goalie. Highly underrated.

I do.

That's not a knock against Reimer. I just still believe Lou is one of the better goalies in the league. I've seen nothing that would tell me otherwise.
- Fosco

Lou is good still. Probably better than Reimer. But the 3.5 mill in cap-space that the Leafs have to allocate on another player negates the difference. Not to mention the pieces the Leafs would have to give up to aquire Lou.

I do.

That's not a knock against Reimer. I just still believe Lou is one of the better goalies in the league. I've seen nothing that would tell me otherwise.

Again, I doubt too may GMs would choose Reimer over Lou in a win now situation if it weren't for Lou's contract.
- Fosco

Doesn't he have a sv% of like .800 and a GAA of like 14.00 in game 7s?

Good goalies often play at a high level into their late 30s (37 - 39) and can play at a very good level into their early 40s (40 / 41). It would be very reasonable to expect Luongo to continue being a great number one goalie for the next 4 - 5 years.
- KB3Point0

It's very rare. For any position, including goalies.

When that report came out, I near snapped. Vokoun is a good goalie. Highly underrated.
- Dirte

But Lou isn't, right?

And Vokoun is so old. Technically he should have retired two years ago...

To be fair, every goalie/team has stinkers. Take out the two worst games of Reimer's season and he still has better numbers.
- Nucker101

Exactly. To say Luongo had a good season when he posted a .907 Save % is delusional. You can't redact blowouts from the record just because he wasn't solely to blame. Dealing with that comes with the position.

Didn't he shut them out twice the last time they played in the playoffs?
- Fosco

True, but as a fan I get really nervous once he gives up a goal, since he's had those mental breakdowns before that sometimes lead to 2 or 3 goals by the opposing team in a matter of minutes.. IMO the Bruins series was more about the lack of scoring/adjustments and the Canucks relying way too much on the refs to do their jobs.

nothing wrong with toews & kane..scoring at the right times..dont have to be leading in points overall..........good team effort.....looks more like a Hawk vs Bruins Cup final.........???

Doesn't he have a sv% of like .800 and a GAA of like 14.00 in game 7s?
- Dirte

So what? Small sample size.

History doesn't always repeat itself.

Reimer has never won a game 7...

Exactly. To say Luongo had a good season when he posted a .907 Save % is delusional. You can't redact blowouts from the record just because he wasn't solely to blame. Dealing with that comes with the position.
- DrChristianTroy

Especially when you compare that .907 save % to Schneider's .927 save % playing on the same team.

Exactly. To say Luongo had a good season when he posted a .907 Save % is delusional. You can't redact blowouts from the record just because he wasn't solely to blame. Dealing with that comes with the position.
- DrChristianTroy

Basing a judgement on a goalie on one strike shortened season is also delusional.

But Lou isn't, right?

And Vokoun is so old. Technically he should have retired two years ago...
- Fosco

You're right, I should have said was a good goalie. At 34, he was the perfect option to sign on the cheap though. $1M UFA to pair off with Reimer for a goalie who still seemed to have a year or two left in him was the perfect opportunity.

If he came at $1M in UFA season again, I'd probably still do it. On a one year deal.

Would you sign Vokoun, if you were one of the teams stated earlier, to a 5 or 6 year contract, at $5M per season, right now?

Especially when you compare that .907 save % to Schneider's .927 save % playing on the same team.
- Nucker101

Schneider's put up a number like that 3 years in a row... and some people in this city still don't know what they have.

Basing a judgement on a goalie on one strike shortened season is also delusional.
- Fosco

My judgement on Luongo was made a long, long time ago. Pre-lifetime extension.

So what? Small sample size.

History doesn't always repeat itself.

Reimer has never won a game 7...
- Fosco

I'll take the unknown over the known to be bad.

You're right, I should have said was a good goalie. At 34, he was the perfect option to sign on the cheap though. $1M UFA to pair off with Reimer for a goalie who still seemed to have a year or two left in him was the perfect opportunity.

If he came at $1M in UFA season again, I'd probably still do it. On a one year deal.

Would you sign Vokoun, if you were one of the teams stated earlier, to a 5 or 6 year contract, at $5M per season, right now?
- Dirte

No. But you must have missed my "contract aside" precursors. I was speaking hypothetically.

Doesn't really make sense for TO to still have interest in Lou considering how well Reimer played this season, and the fact that he's young and could still improve.

My judgement on Luongo was made a long, long time ago. Pre-lifetime extension.
- DrChristianTroy

I wasn't referring to you. But I guess it was confusing since I quoted you...

nothing wrong with toews & kane..scoring at the right times..dont have to be leading in points overall..........good team effort.....looks more like a Hawk vs Bruins Cup final.........???
- Canuckfan2006

The thing is that unlike the Canucks, the Hawks can actually win in the playoffs without relying on Toews and Kane to provide all of the scoring(like the Canucks with the Sedins). This is why I laugh at those who think the Sedins are the problem, their PPG pace in the playoffs since becoming first line players has been just fine, but the rest of the this team's offense has always tanked in the playoffs.

Tyler Seguin has 1 goals in 15 playoff games for the Bruins. Lucic has 3. Jagr has zero.

Having more than 1 or 2 lines capable of scoring is what wins in the playoffs IMO since every individual player and lines will always have their ups and downs, so having more lines capable of scoring can allow a team to get away with having a couple of slumping top 6 forwards. The idea that the third and 4th lines should just be satisfied by dumping the puck and getting off of the ice quickly without doing something stupid is good enough to win a cup is ridiculous.

No one is going to trade for Ballard unless you keep salary, and the same goes for Lu. $1.75m for a third pairing guy on his second contract? Alberts is better value at $1m. You're going to find two 4th line players for league min? Philly isn't going to gift you Coutourier, even for Edler. Really what you have said here is that you have no answer but to keep doing things the way they have been done for the past five years, which has not won them the cup.
- 1970vintage

What I am saying is that they have options. I have layed out an option they could explore if they were interested.

I would hardly consider giving up Edler for Coutourier gifting Coutourier. Frankly I wouldn't take anything less.

$1.75M for Tanev was just a guess at what he'll make. Whatever the number, it'll be within $500k of that number. Alberts is NOT better value. He's a poor skater and brutal with the puck.

The Kings only have 7 forwards with a cap hit over $1.35M this season. So yeah, getting two 4th line forwards at around $1M seems pretty reasonable. Also, league minimum is not $1M.

Do your homework.

Lou is good still. Probably better than Reimer. But the 3.5 mill in cap-space that the Leafs have to allocate on another player negates the difference. Not to mention the pieces the Leafs would have to give up to aquire Lou.
- stormey

Agreed. But the Leafs probably wouldn't have to give up any valuable assets...

No. But you must have missed my "contract aside" precursors. I was speaking hypothetically.

Doesn't really make sense for TO to still have interest in Lou considering how well Reimer played this season, and the fact that he's young and could still improve.
- Fosco

but, I'm saying, ANY of those teams.

Answer that question, and it gives some insight into the value of Luongo right now.

The thing is that unlike the Canucks, the Hawks can actually win in the playoffs without relying on Toews and Kane to provide all of the scoring(like the Canucks with the Sedins). This is why I laugh at those who think the Sedins are the problem, their PPG pace in the playoffs since becoming first line players has been just fine, but the rest of the this team's offense has always tanked in the playoffs.

Tyler Seguin has 1 goals in 15 playoff games for the Bruins. Lucic has 3. Jagr has zero.

Having more than 1 or 2 lines capable of scoring is what wins in the playoffs IMO since every individual player and lines will always have their ups and downs, so having more lines capable of scoring can allow a team to get away with having a couple of slumping top 6 forwards. The idea that the third and 4th lines should just be satisfied by dumping the puck and getting off of the ice quickly without doing something stupid is good enough to win a cup is ridiculous.
- Nucker101

yes!

but, I'm saying, ANY of those teams.

Answer that question, and it gives some insight into the value of Luongo right now.
- Dirte

Sorry, I don't understand the question...

Do you mean what teams would have interest in Lou?