Is it finally time to ditch the Sedins to a team that needs offence? They still have decent value despite not being playoff performers.
- BigDre

A) They are playoff performers.
B) They have no trade clauses.
C) Trading the Sedins would represent a full rebuild in Vancouver. The Canucks are not at that stage. They are too good a team to be tearing it down.

Not interested in taking Lu's contract back. Van would have to take Horcoff and still throw more in for me to take it.
- BigDre

Then you can continue to enjoy missing the playoffs.

What's their NMC situation?

As an Oil fan, I wouldn't want the Sedins, and I don't think a trade could be crafted to make both teams happy anyways.
- BigDre

Full NTC/NMC. They would (I assume) only move together, and to a place they thought they would win.

I wasn't trolling, but my comment is based on the lack of success in the last two years of the playoffs.

What more than top-line minutes together do they need for a chance to be succesful? Aren't they on the PP too? Haven't they tried a numbre of different linemates for them to be succesful?

P.S. When your #1 centre gets 3 goals in 25 playoff games, and his twin brother on the same line gets 9 in 25 games... that's not exactly great playoff performance. Hell even Pisani scored 14 during the Oil's run to the SCF (and it is a run to the SCF, not a Cup run).
- BigDre

Daniel was injured last year for the playoffs. Henrik had more points against the Kings than any other player in the playoffs last season.

So how have Toews and Kane been in the playoffs lately?

I think they have something like 9 combined goals in their past 35 games or something.

12 in 25 is sounding pretty good.
- IanEsplen

It's no secret Toews hasn't been putting points up, but Kane was a beast in the first two series. Plus, they've won a Cup recently, and the Hawks are actual perennial contenders. I don't think it's a fair comparison because outside of Van fans, no one would choose the Sedins over Toews/Kane anyways.

Sure, 12 in 25 while playing against other team's top line is just that "pretty good".

I guess I'm just surprised that even Vancouver fans are defending the Sedins as being playoff performers.

Agree to disagree I guess.

Full NTC/NMC. They would (I assume) only move together, and to a place they thought they would win.
- 1970vintage

That's what I figured... I think having one of the best goalies in Rinne and one of the best Dmen in Weber would be enough to try build with for the Sedins. Lots of good utility and grinders, a bit of skill in NSH already... the're a playoff team recently... If i'm the Sedins there looks to be more promise for immediate success at this point then in Edmonton...

It's no secret Toews hasn't been putting points up, but Kane was a beast in the first two series. Plus, they've won a Cup recently, and the Hawks are actual perennial contenders. I don't think it's a fair comparison because outside of Van fans, no one would choose the Sedins over Toews/Kane anyways.

Sure, 12 in 25 while playing against other team's top line is just that "pretty good".

I guess I'm just surprised that even Vancouver fans are defending the Sedins as being playoff performers.

Agree to disagree I guess.
- BigDre

They have been a bit of a let down for sure, but they aren't even close to as disappointing as people make them out to be.

It's no secret Toews hasn't been putting points up, but Kane was a beast in the first two series. Plus, they've won a Cup recently, and the Hawks are actual perennial contenders. I don't think it's a fair comparison because outside of Van fans, no one would choose the Sedins over Toews/Kane anyways.

Sure, 12 in 25 while playing against other team's top line is just that "pretty good".

I guess I'm just surprised that even Vancouver fans are defending the Sedins as being playoff performers.

Agree to disagree I guess.
- BigDre

They've been quietly putting up better point totals than people realize. Read somewhere that H. Sedin is near or at the top for points over the last 3 or 4 playoffs—can't remember the source, unfortunately.

The problem is no secondary scoring, and a horrible PP.

Teams can just focus on shutting down the Sedins with their top F and D, and are also not afraid to take liberties with them when the PP doesn't punish them for it.

Surprised they haven't had major injuries considering the abuse they take in the playoffs.

But yes, it's sometimes difficult to notice them since they're often wearing another team's jersey...(hat tip to Brian Burke).

Not interested in taking Lu's contract back. Van would have to take Horcoff and still throw more in for me to take it.
- BigDre

As much as they’ll try to convince other fans that they should want to, no in the league is interested. I thought became painfully clear, but they seem to be convinced he’ll get a nice return again.

No one wants Luongo, and even worse, Ballard or Booth. I’m curious to see how they’ll handle having three guys as compliance buyout material, when they can only buy out two of them.

Then you can continue to enjoy missing the playoffs.
- KB3Point0

There is little to nothing to suggest having Luongo in net would give the Oilers a better chance at the playoffs than Dubnyk would. Dubnyk has been pretty solid the last few years, and is still reasonably young. Luongo hasn't been all that solid at times, and is getting to the point where many players finish their career.

They've been quietly putting up better point totals than people realize. Read somewhere that H. Sedin is near or at the top for points over the last 3 or 4 playoffs—can't remember the source, unfortunately.

The problem is no secondary scoring, and a horrible PP.

Teams can just focus on shutting down the Sedins with their top F and D, and are also not afraid to take liberties with them when the PP doesn't punish them for it.

Surprised they haven't had major injuries considering the abuse they take in the playoffs.

But yes, it's sometimes difficult to notice them since they're often wearing another team's jersey...(hat tip to Brian Burke).
- Fosco

Yeah, he had good numbers 3 and 4 years ago... I guess I see more weight in the recent trend (last two years)

As much as they’ll try to convince other fans that they should want to, no in the league is interested. I thought became painfully clear, but they seem to be convinced he’ll get a nice return again.

No one wants Luongo, and even worse, Ballard or Booth. I’m curious to see how they’ll handle having three guys as compliance buyout material, when they can only buy out two of them.
- Dirte

Yeah, we all think Lou is going to fetch a king's ransom...

Teams may not want to give anything up for him, but you bet your ass there is a few that would be willing to pick him up for free.

Do you see the Canucks ownership being willing to acquire and buyout a big contract this summer to make a significant deal?
- KB3Point0

And what? Keep some of your own buyout material on the roster? You realize the Canucks have to gut about $10M to $15M in salary right?

Yeah, he had good numbers 3 and 4 years ago... I guess I see more weight in the recent trend (last two years)
- BigDre

Last two years Henrik has 8 points in 9 games, and Daniel has 5 points in 6 games.

Doesn't seem that bad to me...

Yeah, we all think Lou is going to fetch a king's ransom...

Teams may not want to give anything up for him, but you bet your ass there is a few that would be willing to pick him up for free.
- Fosco

I'd bet my ass there aren't.

As much as they’ll try to convince other fans that they should want to, no in the league is interested. I thought became painfully clear, but they seem to be convinced he’ll get a nice return again.

No one wants Luongo, and even worse, Ballard or Booth. I’m curious to see how they’ll handle having three guys as compliance buyout material, when they can only buy out two of them.
- Dirte

I think there's a market for Lu, but it's small, and the receiving team has all the leverage. I think many Canuck fans on HB underestimate the level of reluctance of any team to take on that contract. It's a very close second to Rick DPs contract as the worst in the league, and Lu is a better goalie than DP, which tells you how bad Lu's contract really is.

I'd bet my ass there aren't.
- Dirte

You know, I'm really not too concerned if you don't pay up when the time comes, but you're going to be wrong.

Mackenzie already stated there were teams interested at the deadline, but the price was still too high.

When the price becomes zero, he'll be gone. There's no way he'd pass through waivers.

So, what's your solution to the cap hell Gillis has gotten himself into? Buyout Luongo and Ballard, trade Booth for a 5th round pick, continue to draft in the mid 20's, sign another few fourth liners to play 6 minutes per night?
- 1970vintage

Trading Luongo and Ballard, then signing Tanev @ $1.75M, leaves the team with $7M in cap space. They would still need two 4th line wingers (approx $1M each) a 3rd line center and a spare D & F (again, approx $1M each). That leaves around $3M for a 3rd line center.

It's really hard to call that cap hell. They have options.

I would trade Edler if I got an amazing deal for him. A trade with Philly would make a lot of sense. Something centered around Luongo & Edler with Coutourier & one of their big D-men coming back. I would also trade Burrows if I could get a good return. A Luongo, Edler, Burrows package could probably net the Canucks a Coutourier, Simmonds, Meszaros, Briere (for buyout purposes) type return. Toss in some picks or prospects if need be to even it out, but it should be pretty close to even.

I think there's a market for Lu, but it's small, and the receiving team has all the leverage. I think many Canuck fans on HB underestimate the level of reluctance of any team to take on that contract. It's a very close second to Rick DPs contract as the worst in the league, and Lu is a better goalie than DP, which tells you how bad Lu's contract really is.
- BigDre

I don't think, in it's entirety, there is a single team interested. If they swallow cap hit and salary (as in, close to half), they may get a taker with no return. But that's about it.

You know, I'm really not too concerned if you don't pay up when the time comes, but you're going to be wrong.

Mackenzie already stated there were teams interested at the deadline, but the price was still too high.

When the price becomes zero, he'll be gone. There's no way he'd pass through waivers.
- Fosco

Wasn't it reported he was willing to take a second rounder, or somethign stupid like that, and he was desperately trying to call teams and make a deal?

Wasn't it reported he was willing to take a second rounder, or somethign stupid like that, and he was desperately trying to call teams and make a deal?
- Dirte

It was two 2nd rounders and Scrivens. Dreger reported that, so take it with a grain...

Trading Luongo and Ballard, then signing Tanev @ $1.75M, leaves the team with $7M in cap space. They would still need two 4th line wingers (approx $1M each) a 3rd line center and a spare D & F (again, approx $1M each). That leaves around $3M for a 3rd line center.

It's really hard to call that cap hell. They have options.

I would trade Edler if I got an amazing deal for him. A trade with Philly would make a lot of sense. Something centered around Luongo & Edler with Coutourier & one of their big D-men coming back. I would also trade Burrows if I could get a good return. A Luongo, Edler, Burrows package could probably net the Canucks a Coutourier, Simmonds, Meszaros, Briere (for buyout purposes) type return. Toss in some picks or prospects if need be to even it out, but it should be pretty close to even.
- KB3Point0

Trading Luongo is one thing. You’re on drugs if you think you’ll get a taker for Keith Ballard. A $4M dman who’s spent the better part of the last few years either injured or in the press box? That’s a step down from Mike Komisarek.

It was two 2nd rounders and Scrivens. Dreger reported that, so take it with a grain...
- Fosco

And it was turned down.

I think there's a market for Lu, but it's small, and the receiving team has all the leverage. I think many Canuck fans on HB underestimate the level of reluctance of any team to take on that contract. It's a very close second to Rick DPs contract as the worst in the league, and Lu is a better goalie than DP, which tells you how bad Lu's contract really is.
- BigDre

Hmm. What do you think it would take for the Isles to deal Dipietro. Just to give a comparable.

There is little to nothing to suggest having Luongo in net would give the Oilers a better chance at the playoffs than Dubnyk would. Dubnyk has been pretty solid the last few years, and is still reasonably young. Luongo hasn't been all that solid at times, and is getting to the point where many players finish their career.
- Dirte

Actually, there is. Luongo is a better goalie. There is no debate about that. You can say what you want about Luongo's contract, but it isn't half as bad as most people think it is. How much revenue is a playoff round worth in Edmonton? $10M? If Luongo were to enable the Oilers to make the playoffs twice then financially it makes sense to acquire him. It would also enable all your young stars to get a taste of winning. How long will they go on losing with shoddy defence and goaltending before they remember how winning teams are actually built?