He's spent the last three seasons in the AHL working on that, and has been getting lots of praise from his coaches for his progress.

He's still learning and improving.
- Fosco

And IMO it's taken away from his offensive development. I expected see more offensive ability, even flashes of it but he didn't really create much outside of that early 5 game or so stretch in the season with Hansen and Raymond. Just my two cents.

And IMO it's taken away from his offensive development. I expected see more offensive ability, even flashes of it but he didn't really create much outside of that early 5 game or so stretch in the season with Hansen and Raymond. Just my two cents.
- Nucker101

Defence makes him more of a complete player in the NHL. Kids don't dream of playing in the AHL they dream of the NHL playing. Working on what needs to be worked on is progress. His bread and butter will always be there.

And IMO it's taken away from his offensive development. I expected see more offensive ability, even flashes of it but he didn't really create much outside of that early 5 game or so stretch in the season with Hansen and Raymond. Just my two cents.
- Nucker101

To be fair, he was removed from that line shortly after that 5 game stretch. I think that explains the drop in his play.

He looked like a man possessed when he was sent back down to the Wolves (albeit a little man).

I'm comfortable with him as a 3C. A line of him Higgins and Hansen should be solid.

A bit small, but fast enough that it shouldn't be too much of an issue, and good enough defensively that they should be trusted in most situations.

Higgins and Schroeder were 1 and 2 in takeaway/giveaway ratio of all players on the Canucks with over 30 gp.

EDIT: I should also add that I think his lack of offensive numbers in the AHL (which you may construe as lack of offensive development) probably have more to do with a lack of any sort of offensive weapon to play with—other than Kassian and Jensen for brief stretches, who he got little and no time on a line with, respectively, he hasn't had any finishers to play with.

I can't even count how many times this season alone he set somebody up for a sure goal that was botched. Happened a lot last season too. The Wolves/Moose have been a D first team for a while.

Also, his ES point production this season was very close to Eberle, Hall, and Kadri, whose overall numbers were better due to their teams' far superior PPs.

Defence makes him more of a complete player in the NHL. Kids don't dream of playing in the AHL they dream of the NHL playing. Working on what needs to be worked on is progress. His bread and butter will always be there.
- thundachunk

Well said.

I can't believe the Leafs just swept the Penguins.

Well said.
- Fosco

Nobody probably remembers but when Schreoder first came on the scene I knocked this kid hard for being small and his poor defensive play as well as his ability to break out of his own zone. He has quick changed my views by working hard and improving his game. I was not wrong and I'm not wrong in how much he has improved.

Defence makes him more of a complete player in the NHL. Kids don't dream of playing in the AHL they dream of the NHL playing. Working on what needs to be worked on is progress. His bread and butter will always be there.
- thundachunk

Lets hope so, because just being a little good at everything(except faceoffs) for a small center is probably not going to cut it. I wouldn't be upset if he was included in a trade just because I see him as a Tweener. I agree with Fosco that the third line doesn't have to be a shutdown line, but Schroeder needs to become more of a poi nt priducer, even in the third line to become an effective third liner because of the lack of size.

Lets hope so, because just being a little good at everything(except faceoffs) for a small center is probably not going to cut it. I wouldn't be upset if he was included in a trade just because I see him as a Tweener. I agree with Fosco that the third line doesn't have to be a shutdown line, but Schroeder needs to become more of a poi nt priducer, even in the third line to become an effective third liner because of the lack of size.
- Nucker101

See my edit above.

Kid played the first 31 NHL games of his career, with a revolving door of linemates, and a lot of time on a poor 4th line—I think it's a little early to knock his production at the NHL level...

Lets hope so, because just being a little good at everything(except faceoffs) for a small center is probably not going to cut it. I wouldn't be upset if he was included in a trade just because I see him as a Tweener. I agree with Fosco that the third line doesn't have to be a shutdown line, but Schroeder needs to become more of a poi nt priducer, even in the third line to become an effective third liner because of the lack of size.
- Nucker101

He will come around. Time to develop is all he needs full time at the NHL level that is. He deserves a shot.

This coming from the guy who thinks Malhotra was paired against other teams' top lines.

Kesler has always been out against the other teams' top lines since he's been an elite two-way forward. That was always the matchup. Not Malhotra.

Malhotra took draws, and booked it off the ice. The team's shots for/against when he did get stuck on the ice were not good.

EDIT: and please point out what in the post you quoted makes me clueless...
- Fosco

The fact that you think Schroeder could be a 3rd line centre on a Stanley Cup contending team makes you clueless. You even acknowledged his numbers in the NHL have been bad so far and just waived them off and said he's better than those numbers, which he so far has not shown himself as capable of being.

Does he have potential? Sure. He's young and he can absolutely still develop. But he needs to develop into a top 6 forward, his skill set requires him to produce offensively in the top 6. Not as a 3rd line centre.

Can Schroeder play 3rd line centre in the NHL? Sure. Just not on a championship caliber team. He is not good enough to play against the top lines of every team in the league. And that doesn't mean he has to be the shut down centre. It just means you would be required to protect him from the other teams' top lines. Which you can't do with half your lines (lines 3 & 4) and have success in the playoffs.

well that's because as far as I'm aware, the Canucks are the only team with a Jordan Schroeder on their roster.

Do you honestly think the Canucks are a stanley cup team? As is, having Jordan Schroeder as 3C is not going to win or lose the cup for the Canucks.

You seem to have this crazy notion that the 3rd line has to be the shut down line, and that is simply not the case.

And your man crush for Malhotra is a bit strange. The guy was very good at faceoffs, and decent in his own end—nothing more...

I'm not saying Schroeder is the ideal 3C.

I'm saying I'm comfortable with him considering the cap situation the Canucks are in.

He showed he can handle the NHL without looking over his head, and even looked quite good at times, and I'm hoping and expecting he will continue to improve.
- Fosco

Incorrect. The 3rd line doesn't have to be the "shut down" line, but you have to be comfortable having them out against the top lines of other teams at any time during the game.

The Canucks are in a position that they can still put together a championship team with the right off season moves. One of those moves would be to acquire a good 3rd line centre. Could Schroeder play centre on the 3rd line? Sure. But if he did they have not done enough to become a championship team, in which case they have failed.

Considering the cap situation? They have the flexibility to fix their cap situation. That's Gillis' job and I expect him to do so. Accepting a sub par 3rd line centre is unacceptable. He needs to fix the cap situation to get a good enough number 3 centre.

The fact that you think Schroeder could be a 3rd line centre on a Stanley Cup contending team makes you clueless. You even acknowledged his numbers in the NHL have been bad so far and just waived them off and said he's better than those numbers, which he so far has not shown himself as capable of being.

Does he have potential? Sure. He's young and he can absolutely still develop. But he needs to develop into a top 6 forward, his skill set requires him to produce offensively in the top 6. Not as a 3rd line centre.

Can Schroeder play 3rd line centre in the NHL? Sure. Just not on a championship caliber team. He is not good enough to play against the top lines of every team in the league. And that doesn't mean he has to be the shut down centre. It just means you would be required to protect him from the other teams' top lines. Which you can't do with half your lines (lines 3 & 4) and have success in the playoffs.
- KB3Point0

You're putting words in my mouth.

I said with legit 1st, 2nd, and 4th lines, they could win a stanley cup—meaning he would not be the reason they would win or lose the cup.

If they were only a 3C away from being legit contenders, I would rather Gillis get a proven one.

As it stands right now, I've seen enough of Schroeder to run with him to start the season.

Why the hell is it so hard for you to understand that the 3rd line doesn't have to match up against the other teams best line?

The Canucks don't even do that—they send Kesler's line out.

You keep saying "would you feel comfortable with him against other teams top lines"...

I wouldn't feel great about over half the 3rd lines in the NHL being out against other teams' top lines.

I've explained this a number of times. I don't think Schroeder is the ideal 3C, but considering the cap constraints, other holes in the lineup, and the lack of tradable assets, I would be fine with Schroeder as the 3C for next season.

You're quickly becoming a real popular guy on here with that charm, aren't you...

Last 4 Stanley Cup winning 3rd line Centers:

LA/2012: Jared Stoll
Boston/2011: Rich Peverley
Chicago/2010: David Bolland
Pittsburgh/2009: Jordan Staal

All >>>>>>>>>>>> Schroeder
- steve362

Exactly! Thank you for the common sense!

Incorrect. The 3rd line doesn't have to be the "shut down" line, but you have to be comfortable having them out against the top lines of other teams at any time during the game.

The Canucks are in a position that they can still put together a championship team with the right off season moves. One of those moves would be to acquire a good 3rd line centre. Could Schroeder play centre on the 3rd line? Sure. But if he did they have not done enough to become a championship team, in which case they have failed.

Considering the cap situation? They have the flexibility to fix their cap situation. That's Gillis' job and I expect him to do so. Accepting a sub par 3rd line centre is unacceptable. He needs to fix the cap situation to get a good enough number 3 centre.
- KB3Point0

Sure. Gillis will fix the cap issues, fill the team's other lineup holes, and trade one of our stockpiled valuable assets for a 6'5 230 pound monster 3rd line C who wins %100 of his faceoffs

Exactly! Thank you for the common sense!
- KB3Point0

Again. Those are all veterans. Schroeder is a rookie.

And the Canucks are not nearly as good as those cup winning teams.

But you can keep acting like all those 3C's single handedly won their teams the cup

THE CANUCKS ARE NOT A STANLEY CUP CONTENTING TEAM.

No really? They're better than a rookie with less than half a season under his belt

Canucks are not a 3C away from being serious contenders.

They also have limited cap space and tradeable assets—that being said, under these circumstances I'm comfortable going forward with Schroeder as the 3C to see what he can do with a full season, until he proves incapable or better options become available.
- Fosco

You're accepting mediocrity. I am not.

You're accepting mediocrity. I am not.
- KB3Point0

You're also expecting miracles.

The Canucks are not in a position to go out and pick up one of the better 3Cs in the league through either FA or a trade (unless you'd rather they address that than the even bigger hole on the 2nd line).

Again. Those are all veterans. Schroeder is a rookie.

And the Canucks are not nearly as good as those cup winning teams.

But you can keep acting like all those 3C's single handedly won their teams the cup

THE CANUCKS ARE NOT A STANLEY CUP CONTENTING TEAM.
- Fosco

Bolland did and he was out with an injury for the first round. If I remember correct. I could be wrong.

To be fair, he was removed from that line shortly after that 5 game stretch. I think that explains the drop in his play.

He looked like a man possessed when he was sent back down to the Wolves (albeit a little man).

I'm comfortable with him as a 3C. A line of him Higgins and Hansen should be solid.

A bit small, but fast enough that it shouldn't be too much of an issue, and good enough defensively that they should be trusted in most situations.

Higgins and Schroeder were 1 and 2 in takeaway/giveaway ratio of all players on the Canucks with over 30 gp.

EDIT: I should also add that I think his lack of offensive numbers in the AHL (which you may construe as lack of offensive development) probably have more to do with a lack of any sort of offensive weapon to play with—other than Kassian and Jensen for brief stretches, who he got little and no time on a line with, respectively, he hasn't had any finishers to play with.

I can't even count how many times this season alone he set somebody up for a sure goal that was botched. Happened a lot last season too. The Wolves/Moose have been a D first team for a while.

Also, his ES point production this season was very close to Eberle, Hall, and Kadri, whose overall numbers were better due to their teams' far superior PPs.
- Fosco

But he's going to suddenly produce with those proven finishers Higgins and Hansen? When no one else could?

But he's going to suddenly produce with those proven finishers Higgins and Hansen? When no one else could?
- KB3Point0

What are you talking about?

Hansen had a career year, and showed chemistry with Schroeder when the two were together.

You seem to think it's so simple to go and get upgrades on all these players. You should send in your resume if MG gets canned...

Schroeder is a rookie who is bound to have some struggles along the way—really not sure why you expect him to be performing like a vet...

What are you talking about?

Hansen had a career year, and showed chemistry with Schroeder when the two were together.

You seem to think it's so simple to go and get upgrades on all these players. You should send in your resume if MG gets canned...

Schroeder is a rookie who is bound to have some struggles along the way—really not sure why you expect him to be performing like a vet...
- Fosco

I'm beginning to think that Prock has a new alias, just to frank with you.

You're putting words in my mouth.

I said with legit 1st, 2nd, and 4th lines, they could win a stanley cup—meaning he would not be the reason they would win or lose the cup.

If they were only a 3C away from being legit contenders, I would rather Gillis get a proven one.

As it stands right now, I've seen enough of Schroeder to run with him to start the season.

Why the hell is it so hard for you to understand that the 3rd line doesn't have to match up against the other teams best line?

The Canucks don't even do that—they send Kesler's line out.

You keep saying "would you feel comfortable with him against other teams top lines"...

I wouldn't feel great about over half the 3rd lines in the NHL being out against other teams' top lines.

I've explained this a number of times. I don't think Schroeder is the ideal 3C, but considering the cap constraints, other holes in the lineup, and the lack of tradable assets, I would be fine with Schroeder as the 3C for next season.

You're quickly becoming a real popular guy on here with that charm, aren't you...
- Fosco

We seem to agree that Schroeder is not the ideal 3rd line centre. I guess where we differ is that you are willing to settle for that while I expect the team to do better. I don't think they can win a championship with him as a 3rd or 4th line centre. I also acknowledged that Gillis stated the team needs to get bigger, not smaller.

Again. Those are all veterans. Schroeder is a rookie.

And the Canucks are not nearly as good as those cup winning teams.

But you can keep acting like all those 3C's single handedly won their teams the cup

THE CANUCKS ARE NOT A STANLEY CUP CONTENTING TEAM.
- Fosco

Not right now, but they're close enough that the goal should be to build a championship, not settle for making the playoffs. The 3rd line centre is not the only piece they need, but it is certainly a big one.

You're also expecting miracles.

The Canucks are not in a position to go out and pick up one of the better 3Cs in the league through either FA or a trade (unless you'd rather they address that than the even bigger hole on the 2nd line).
- Fosco

They absolutely could, it just takes Gillis making a few moves. Not saying it's easy, just saying it's necessary.

What are you talking about?

Hansen had a career year, and showed chemistry with Schroeder when the two were together.

You seem to think it's so simple to go and get upgrades on all these players. You should send in your resume if MG gets canned...

Schroeder is a rookie who is bound to have some struggles along the way—really not sure why you expect him to be performing like a vet...
- Fosco

I never said it was easy. I said it was hard. I just believe that's why the GM gets paid millions of dollars.

That is exactly my point, I don't expect Schroeder to perform like a vet. I expect him to have struggles and play I consistently. That's why he isn't good enough for this team next season.