DUDE! do not spend any money until we find out what's going to happen to Luongo. I don't expect the full cheque, but don't you be spending my money!
- Isles_since_6

I'm good for it...

Wouldn't be the first time I've disagreed with you.
- Fosco

true story, and I'm not about to say I'm a minor pro scout so I could very well be proven wrong. I think it's a gamble to expect much from him but over the next couple of years he could end up as a reasonably useful player.

let's keep in mind we're talking about a guy who's 5'8 and had 3 goals in 31 games, and 1 assist in the last 5 games of the season. Counting on him to contribute offensively when your bottom six are the equivalent of a boat anchor and contributing nothing to the team's offense is a bad move.

Is he a talented prospect? Sure, he could be. Do you count on him as a key piece of your offense? Only if you're a fool. If he chips in, fantastic, it's a bonus. Anything more than that or dealing away Kesler and expecting him to slot in as the #2 is a giant mistake.

Let him play his way onto the team in camp, and if he can contribute offensively playing 12-14 minutes a night on the third line you're ahead of the game, but if they're expecting him to play in the top six it's a big reach at this point and he'll be set up to fail.
- Isles_since_6

Thank you!

With legit 1st, 2nd, and 4th lines, and a coach who can put together proper D pairings, yes.
- Fosco

You need to watch how the successful teams are built. Stanley Cup winning teams don't have Jordan Schroeder playing 3rd line center. Period. You're delusional if you think that is a recipe for success.

With legit 1st, 2nd, and 4th lines, and a coach who can put together proper D pairings, yes.
- Fosco

You need to watch how the successful teams are built. Stanley Cup winning teams don't have Jordan Schroeder playing 3rd line center. Period. You're delusional if you think that is a recipe for success.

DUDE! do not spend any money until we find out what's going to happen to Luongo. I don't expect the full cheque, but don't you be spending my money!
- Isles_since_6

You can have what's left on the couch.

I'm going to slow this down for you.

THE. THIRD. LINE. DOES. NOT. HAVE. TO. BE THE. SHUT. DOWN. LINE.

And in the case of the Canucks it has been whatever line Kesler is on for the last four years.

I also didn't say I'm afraid to put Schroeder out against the other team's top line. I said he won't be purposely matched up against it.

Gillis will not pick up a 3rd line centre this off season, especially when he has a player who is fully capable of playing there.

He has limited cap space, and limited assets. He needs to maximize the assets he has. Schroeder is one of those assets.
- Fosco

You're completely clueless.

You're completely clueless.
- KB3Point0

This coming from the guy who thinks Malhotra was paired against other teams' top lines.

Kesler has always been out against the other teams' top lines since he's been an elite two-way forward. That was always the matchup. Not Malhotra.

Malhotra took draws, and booked it off the ice. The team's shots for/against when he did get stuck on the ice were not good.

EDIT: and please point out what in the post you quoted makes me clueless...

You need to watch how the successful teams are built. Stanley Cup winning teams don't have Jordan Schroeder playing 3rd line center. Period. You're delusional if you think that is a recipe for success.
- KB3Point0

well that's because as far as I'm aware, the Canucks are the only team with a Jordan Schroeder on their roster.

Do you honestly think the Canucks are a stanley cup team? As is, having Jordan Schroeder as 3C is not going to win or lose the cup for the Canucks.

You seem to have this crazy notion that the 3rd line has to be the shut down line, and that is simply not the case.

And your man crush for Malhotra is a bit strange. The guy was very good at faceoffs, and decent in his own end—nothing more...

I'm not saying Schroeder is the ideal 3C.

I'm saying I'm comfortable with him considering the cap situation the Canucks are in.

He showed he can handle the NHL without looking over his head, and even looked quite good at times, and I'm hoping and expecting he will continue to improve.

I think even most Canucks fans can admit there's a slight risk due to his injury issues the last two seasons.

I would say because of that his trade value is at a low point. At least until he can play a long stretch of injury free hockey.
- Fosco

So Crosby is a risk as well and his trade value is at an all-time low?

well that's because as far as I'm aware, the Canucks are the only team with a Jordan Schroeder on their roster.

Do you honestly think the Canucks are a stanley cup team? As is, having Jordan Schroeder as 3C is not going to win or lose the cup for the Canucks.

You seem to have this crazy notion that the 3rd line has to be the shut down line, and that is simply not the case.

And your man crush for Malhotra is a bit strange. The guy was very good at faceoffs, and decent in his own end—nothing more...

I'm not saying Schroeder is the ideal 3C.

I'm saying I'm comfortable with him considering the cap situation the Canucks are in.

He showed he can handle the NHL without looking over his head, and even looked quite good at times, and I'm hoping and expecting he will continue to improve.
- Fosco

Last 4 Stanley Cup winning 3rd line Centers:

LA/2012: Jared Stoll
Boston/2011: Rich Peverley
Chicago/2010: David Bolland
Pittsburgh/2009: Jordan Staal

All >>>>>>>>>>>> Schroeder

So Crosby is a risk as well and his trade value is at an all-time low?
- LeftCoaster

He is a bit of a risk, yes, and I would imagine his value is lower than before he had a number of concussions...

the only end of this story is when Luongo is bought out or moved in return for a terrible contract. Until something happens with him, the story continues!
- Isles_since_6

We'll see how it plays out, at this point, neither of us is wrong and neither of us is right. You just wanna be more right than me.

Last 4 Stanley Cup winning 3rd line Centers:

LA/2012: Jared Stoll
Boston/2011: Rich Peverley
Chicago/2010: David Bolland
Pittsburgh/2009: Jordan Staal

All >>>>>>>>>>>> Schroeder
- steve362

No really? They're better than a rookie with less than half a season under his belt

Canucks are not a 3C away from being serious contenders.

They also have limited cap space and tradeable assets—that being said, under these circumstances I'm comfortable going forward with Schroeder as the 3C to see what he can do with a full season, until he proves incapable or better options become available.

He is a bit of a risk, yes, and I would imagine his value is lower than before he had a number of concussions...
- Fosco

You're too serious, smoke a fatty and get back in here!

No really? They're better than a rookie with less than half a season under his belt

Canucks are not a 3C away from being serious contenders.

They also have limited cap space and tradeable assets—that being said, under these circumstances I'm comfortable going forward with Schroeder as the 3C to see what he can do with a full season, until he proves incapable or better options become available.
- Fosco

Personally I am a big fan of Schoeder, he was great in the World Juniors! Needs to work on play without the puck!

the only end of this story is when Luongo is bought out or moved in return for a terrible contract. Until something happens with him, the story continues!
- Isles_since_6

We'll see how it plays out, at this point, neither of us is wrong and neither of us is right. You just wanna be more right than me.

When it happens I'll be looking you up for a "I was wrong and you were right".

Personally I am a big fan of Schoeder, he was great in the World Juniors! Needs to work on play without the puck!
- steve362

He's spent the last three seasons in the AHL working on that, and has been getting lots of praise from his coaches for his progress.

He's still learning and improving.

You're too serious, smoke a fatty and get back in here!
- LeftCoaster

Did you really think I needed coaxing ?

He's spent the last three seasons in the AHL working on that, and has been getting lots of praise from his coaches for his progress.

He's still learning and improving.
- Fosco

He was a late pick too was he not? Could end up being a steal!

He was a late pick too was he not? Could end up being a steal!
- steve362

Possible. It's been a long road for him to get his first games in the NHL, but I think he'll be a valuable contributor from here on.

Gillis mentioned that the team needs an infusion of youth—I think Schroeder was one of the players he had in mind. Also one of the reasons I think Eakins is high on their list to coach, as it appears he's had some success with the Leafs' younger players.

You're too serious, smoke a fatty and get back in here!
- LeftCoaster

Did you really think I needed coaxing ?
- Fosco

Ya it's way past 4:20

This coming from the guy who thinks Malhotra was paired against other teams' top lines.

Kesler has always been out against the other teams' top lines since he's been an elite two-way forward. That was always the matchup. Not Malhotra.

Malhotra took draws, and booked it off the ice. The team's shots for/against when he did get stuck on the ice were not good.

EDIT: and please point out what in the post you quoted makes me clueless...
- Fosco

Boom book it.

Ya it's way past 4:20
- A_SteamingLombardi

I wish I was home.