The recapture is real dollars in that my team/business risking that level of sabotage could trigger an unnecessary re-tool/re-build costing me untold millions AND success. I'd rather mortgage the damage and avoid that risk!
- DrChristianTroy

And if the cap is 90 million in five years but you can only spend 83 your going to give 27 million away? That's not good business I'm sorry. How many teams with lower cap hits made it farther in ther playoffs than the Canucks this year? (all of them that made the playoffs)

There is absolutely no way Schroeder will not be the regular 3rd line center next year. If you wouldn't feel confident Schroeder taking regular faceoffs in his own zone against the top lines of every other team in the west (think Toews, Kopitar, Thornton, etc.) then he can't be the 3rd line center. It just doesn't work.

Kesler's line might be used as the "shut down" line right now, but that's because the Canucks never replaced Manny, who was their shut down center. Gillis' job this off season is to replace Manny. And it won't be with Schroeder.
- KB3Point0

I agree... (might want to look at your wording in that sentence).

Schroeder likely won't be taking D-zone faceoffs against other teams' top lines, and likely won't purposely be matched against them, because Kesler is the shutdown C who get those matchups.

Kesler has always gotten those matchups. Manny took D-zone draws and was off the ice as faster than you can say "Malhotra".

Have you watched this team much the last three years...?

Gillis needs to maximize his assets. Schroeder will be used because he proved that he can handle the NHL this year—I would argue that he would have been used this coming season even if he hadn't, due to cap constraints.

Again, there is nothing that says the 3rd line needs to be the shut down line. And even if it was, Schroeder has enough defensive ability to handle it as long as he improves his faceoffs.

Who do you think will be 3C? Lain

let's try this as an example

you're moving in a week, and don't have any way to move that grand piano, but it has to be gone so up on craigslist it goes. After 2 days, you lower your ridiculous asking pricing in half, because you know it has to go and you're running out of time, but damnit, you spent a lot on it and need to get something back. It's a really nice piano.

Now it's been another 2 days, and you've had a couple nibbles but no one has come anywhere near your asking price. Trouble is now too, there are other pianos on craigslist, maybe not as nice, but way cheaper than what you've been asking. So you lower the price again, now it's free, but someone's got to come and pick it up. Two more days and there's no takers. You're going to get bent over if it's not gone tomorrow when you move and no one's taken it for free, because they don't have a truck or they don't have the time to come and get it.

So what do you do? Do you call the scrap guys to come take it away? Costs you money but puts an end to the problem. No time left to wait any longer. Shame you had to scrap such a nice piano. Maybe if you'd started at a lower price earlier you might have had a better shot of moving it. Live and learn.
- Isles_since_6

Donate it to a school or church or Columbus.

let's try this as an example

you're moving in a week, and don't have any way to move that grand piano, but it has to be gone so up on craigslist it goes. After 2 days, you lower your ridiculous asking pricing in half, because you know it has to go and you're running out of time, but damnit, you spent a lot on it and need to get something back. It's a really nice piano.

Now it's been another 2 days, and you've had a couple nibbles but no one has come anywhere near your asking price. Trouble is now too, there are other pianos on craigslist, maybe not as nice, but way cheaper than what you've been asking. So you lower the price again, now it's free, but someone's got to come and pick it up. Two more days and there's no takers. You're going to get bent over if it's not gone tomorrow when you move and no one's taken it for free, because they don't have a truck or they don't have the time to come and get it.

So what do you do? Do you call the scrap guys to come take it away? Costs you money but puts an end to the problem. No time left to wait any longer. Shame you had to scrap such a nice piano. Maybe if you'd started at a lower price earlier you might have had a better shot of moving it. Live and learn.
- Isles_since_6

Listen...there's a market for a very good goaltender here. End of story! The day Lu goes on waivers someone picks him up\the end.

I didn't say he'd have a top 6 role, I said he would contribute in the top 6.
- KB3Point0

As long as he contributes and doesn't coast.

I agree... (might want to look at your wording in that sentence).

Schroeder likely won't be taking D-zone faceoffs against other teams' top lines, and likely won't purposely be matched against them, because Kesler is the shutdown C who get those matchups.

Kesler has always gotten those matchups. Manny took D-zone draws and was off the ice as faster than you can say "Malhotra".

Have you watched this team much the last three years...?

Gillis needs to maximize his assets. Schroeder will be used because he proved that he can handle the NHL this year—I would argue that he would have been used this coming season even if he hadn't, due to cap constraints.

Who do you think will be 3C? Lain
- Fosco

Good god. You can't have a 3rd line center who you are afraid to play against other teams top lines. That is how you lose in the playoffs. The Canucks do not currently have a 3rd line center. Gillis' job is to get one this summer.

As long as he contributes and doesn't coast.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Absolutely!

Donate it to a school or church or Columbus.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Theres always a way out

Listen...there's a market for a very good goaltender here. End of story! The day Lu goes on waivers someone picks him up\the end.
- LeftCoaster

BIngo

I can't believe how many people are stuck on getting a minimal return for Luongo when it might mean the dismantling of whatever's built over the next several years just because they want to avoid an operating cost (1.5 million a year) that doesn't even make a dent in this franchise's profitability.

Good god. You can't have a 3rd line center who you are afraid to play against other teams top lines. That is how you lose in the playoffs. The Canucks do not currently have a 3rd line center. Gillis' job is to get one this summer.
- KB3Point0

I'm going to slow this down for you.

THE. THIRD. LINE. DOES. NOT. HAVE. TO. BE THE. SHUT. DOWN. LINE.

And in the case of the Canucks it has been whatever line Kesler is on for the last four years.

I also didn't say I'm afraid to put Schroeder out against the other team's top line. I said he won't be purposely matched up against it.

Gillis will not pick up a 3rd line centre this off season, especially when he has a player who is fully capable of playing there.

He has limited cap space, and limited assets. He needs to maximize the assets he has. Schroeder is one of those assets.

If a team is willing to take a chance on Kesler you can trade him!

Willing to bet a team like Nashville would be willing to trade for Kesler plus number 24 for number 4 and Kostitsyn

If a team is willing to take a chance on Kesler you can trade him!

Willing to bet a team like Nashville would be willing to trade for Kesler plus number 24 for number 4 and Kostitsyn
- steve362

What's the risk with Kesler?

What's the risk with Kesler?
- DarthKane

I think even most Canucks fans can admit there's a slight risk due to his injury issues the last two seasons.

I would say because of that his trade value is at a low point. At least until he can play a long stretch of injury free hockey.

I'm going to slow this down for you.

THE. THIRD. LINE. DOES. NOT. HAVE. TO. BE THE. SHUT. DOWN. LINE.

And in the case of the Canucks it has been whatever line Kesler is on for the last four years.

I also didn't say I'm afraid to put Schroeder out against the other team's top line. I said he won't be purposely matched up against it.

Gillis will not pick up a 3rd line centre this off season, especially when he has a player who is fully capable of playing there.

He has limited cap space, and limited assets. He needs to maximize the assets he has. Schroeder is one of those assets.
- Fosco

let's keep in mind we're talking about a guy who's 5'8 and had 3 goals in 31 games, and 1 assist in the last 5 games of the season. Counting on him to contribute offensively when your bottom six are the equivalent of a boat anchor and contributing nothing to the team's offense is a bad move.

Is he a talented prospect? Sure, he could be. Do you count on him as a key piece of your offense? Only if you're a fool. If he chips in, fantastic, it's a bonus. Anything more than that or dealing away Kesler and expecting him to slot in as the #2 is a giant mistake.

Let him play his way onto the team in camp, and if he can contribute offensively playing 12-14 minutes a night on the third line you're ahead of the game, but if they're expecting him to play in the top six it's a big reach at this point and he'll be set up to fail.

Listen...there's a market for a very good goaltender here. End of story! The day Lu goes on waivers someone picks him up\the end.
- LeftCoaster

the only end of this story is when Luongo is bought out or moved in return for a terrible contract. Until something happens with him, the story continues!

I'm going to slow this down for you.

THE. THIRD. LINE. DOES. NOT. HAVE. TO. BE THE. SHUT. DOWN. LINE.

And in the case of the Canucks it has been whatever line Kesler is on for the last four years.

I also didn't say I'm afraid to put Schroeder out against the other team's top line. I said he won't be purposely matched up against it.

Gillis will not pick up a 3rd line centre this off season, especially when he has a player who is fully capable of playing there.

He has limited cap space, and limited assets. He needs to maximize the assets he has. Schroeder is one of those assets.
- Fosco

Do you think the team could win the Stanley Cup with Jordan Schroeder as the 3rd line center?

let's keep in mind we're talking about a guy who's 5'8 and had 3 goals in 31 games, and 1 assist in the last 5 games of the season. Counting on him to contribute offensively when your bottom six are the equivalent of a boat anchor and contributing nothing to the team's offense is a bad move.

Is he a talented prospect? Sure, he could be. Do you count on him as a key piece of your offense? Only if you're a fool. If he chips in, fantastic, it's a bonus. Anything more than that or dealing away Kesler and expecting him to slot in as the #2 is a giant mistake.

Let him play his way onto the team in camp, and if he can contribute offensively playing 12-14 minutes a night on the third line you're ahead of the game, but if they're expecting him to play in the top six it's a big reach at this point and he'll be set up to fail.
- Isles_since_6

Schroeder looked better than his numbers indicate. He has played his way onto the team, and deserved far better linemates and minutes than AV gave him last season.

If he hadn't been undeservedly dropped to the 4th line (other than O-zone starts on a band-aid 2nd line ), and stayed up on a line with a combination of two of Raymond, Hansen, or Higgins, he would have had much better numbers.

I'm not advocating putting him on the 2nd. I'm saying I have confidence he can be the 3rd line centre.

What's the risk with Kesler?
- DarthKane

Since his contract extension he has had hip surgery, two Shoulder injuries and a broken right foot. Injuries are piling up and he is past the average prime age of 24-28 (turning 29 in August).

Do you think the team could win the Stanley Cup with Jordan Schroeder as the 3rd line center?
- KB3Point0

With legit 1st, 2nd, and 4th lines, and a coach who can put together proper D pairings, yes.

Welp, wife just left to visit her parents for the weekend—I'm out to pick up beer and all the chocolate I can carry......

and leather cleaner...

Schroeder looked better than his numbers indicate. He has played his way onto the team, and deserved far better linemates and minutes than AV gave him last season.

If he hadn't been undeservedly dropped to the 4th line (other than O-zone starts on a band-aid 2nd line ), and stayed up on a line with a combination of two of Raymond, Hansen, or Higgins, he would have had much better numbers.

I'm not advocating putting him on the 2nd. I'm saying I have confidence he can be the 3rd line centre.
- Fosco

I'd disagree. I live in Vancouver and watch most of their games (NHL center ice package to watch the Isles so I miss the games that start at the same time) and I saw flashes of speed, flashes of ability and a whole lot of small and inconsistent. That's to be expected with a prospect, but IMO I think it's 50/50 he ever becomes a reasonably effective NHL player. 2nd line center? Very doubtful. Third liner that can score? Hmmm, wouldn't bet on it.

Welp, wife just left to visit her parents for the weekend—I'm out to pick up beer and all the chocolate I can carry......

and leather cleaner...
- Fosco

DUDE! do not spend any money until we find out what's going to happen to Luongo. I don't expect the full cheque, but don't you be spending my money!

Apparently Swedish prospect Christian Folin—big RH college D, with decent numbers—is about to sign with the Canucks

Ottawa's been after him, but someone on HF posted this article from who he calls the "Swedish Bob Mackenzie" saying the Canucks are the front runners.

http://mrmadhawk.se/2013/...a-vag-till-vancouver.html

(for anyone who feels like throwing this through google translate).


Also, an article on him by Julie Robenheimer;

http://www.hockeybuzz.com...ost_id=50798#.UbJs747bxUR

I'd disagree. I live in Vancouver and watch most of their games (NHL center ice package to watch the Isles so I miss the games that start at the same time) and I saw flashes of speed, flashes of ability and a whole lot of small and inconsistent. That's to be expected with a prospect, but IMO I think it's 50/50 he ever becomes a reasonably effective NHL player. 2nd line center? Very doubtful. Third liner that can score? Hmmm, wouldn't bet on it.
- Isles_since_6

Wouldn't be the first time I've disagreed with you.