It's very rare. For any position, including goalies.
- Dirte

Not for elite goalies.

If anyone's interested in hearing a monotone interview with no useful information discussed/revealed, apparently Gillis is going to be on 1040 coming up...

Exactly. To say Luongo had a good season when he posted a .907 Save % is delusional. You can't redact blowouts from the record just because he wasn't solely to blame. Dealing with that comes with the position.
- DrChristianTroy

Numbers were skewed this season due to the small sample size. Save %, GAA, +/- all require a larger sample size to provide more accuracy. That's why one or two games can affect the numbers so much.

The lowest current cap hit is the Isles, at $35M. That’s $8M away from the floor, I believe. But they have 8 guys to sign to hit their payroll roster. Only 5 teams are currently below, and they range from having 7 to 11 guys to sign. There isn’t a single team struggling to hit the floor, realistically.

Additionally, while this has been brought up many many times, it’s never happened. If a GM has money to spend, he’s not gonna take on a bad contract for no reason. He’ll spend it the best way he can.
- Dirte

And Ballard will be the best option available for at least 1 GM.

My judgement on Luongo was made a long, long time ago. Pre-lifetime extension.
- DrChristianTroy

Thank you for your honesty. Glad to see stats and accomplishments don't matter.

Numbers were skewed this season due to the small sample size. Save %, GAA, +/- all require a larger sample size to provide more accuracy. That's why one or two games can affect the numbers so much.
- KB3Point0

Stats exist for a reason. Luongo's personal #'s (GAA & Sv%) were worse than an entire league's worth of goaltenders, and that on a division winner with a DEEP defense. Sample size schmample size... His numbers weren't good.

Actually, that team peaked when Malhotra was out with his eye injury & Torres was playing with Lapierre & Hansen.
- DrChristianTroy

The team was at it's best before Malhotra went down. Many forget that before his injury many people were talking about him being a candidate for the Selke, and not Kesler.

You jumped in during the middle of an argument with someone else. The point I was arguing was that he is not an upgrade over Kesler as the 2nd line center. Which he clearly is not. I don't think he has the size to be a 3rd line center either, but that is not what we were arguing.
- KB3Point0

I took issue with your comment about Schroeder's D. He is a good two-way centre who is just now starting to improve offensively after working on his defence for a few seasons.

I read your argument, and see where Vintage is coming from—didn't look to me like he was saying Schroeder was necessarily ideal for 2C, but an option considering the savings in cap over Kesler and the fact that Kesler has lacked any chemistry with his 2nd line wingers to date, which frees up Kesler for another line or possibly a trade.

I would say that I definitely saw flashes of Schroeder's ability to play 2C if he can bring that consistently in the future. Definitely a better play maker than Kesler, and I would argue has better vision.

I haven't seen Schroeder's size to be an issue too much. He's been muscled off the puck on occasions, but that happens to larger less muscular forwards as well.

There's also no rule that says a team's 3C needs to be a monster. I'd rather a 3rd line that can hold their own defensively, has speed, and the ability to score.

Fill up the 4th with a couple monsters.

The team was at it's best before Malhotra went down. Many forget that before his injury many people were talking about him being a candidate for the Selke, and not Kesler.
- KB3Point0

On what planet is DP comparable to Luongo? Number 2 no chance. I can think of one off the top of my head thats worse. Bryzgalov.
- Boinker

Bryzgalov? Not really. Shorter contract on a younger goalie.

Sorry, I don't understand the question...

Do you mean what teams would have interest in Lou?
- Fosco

The question is, what teams would have interest in signing Vokoun, for 5 or 6 years, at $5M.

As that's roughly what picking up Luongo's salary is the equivalent of.

Rather trade Edler for a young forward with top6 upside already in the NHL or close to it.

Or Edler plus a mid-tier prospect for the 5th overall. Wouldn't give up much more than that unless something else was coming back.

EDIT: Just because teams with top 10 picks are overvaluing them at this time of year doesn't mean the Canucks should be foolish enough to pay the asking price.
- Fosco

Edler is worth much more than a forward with "top 6 upside."

The question is, what teams would have interest in signing Vokoun, for 5 or 6 years, at $5M.

As that's roughly what picking up Luongo's salary is the equivalent of.
- Dirte

But Luongo is better, and three years younger than Vokoun.

If anyone's interested in hearing a monotone interview with no useful information discussed/revealed, apparently Gillis is going to be on 1040 coming up...
- DrChristianTroy

I'll tune in if they promise to ask Gillis if his expected return for Luongo has lowered. The reaction and answer would be good entertainment

Thank you for your honesty. Glad to see stats and accomplishments don't matter.
- KB3Point0

Which stats & accomplishments are you referring to? He's been top 3 in GAA ONCE in his career (2nd in 2010/11), and top 3 in Save % ONCE in his career (3rd in 2003/04). Big enough sample size for you?

Edler is worth much more than a forward with "top 6 upside."
- KB3Point0

Depends what your definition of "top 6 upside" is.

Perhaps I should have specified that I meant can't miss future top6, like say a B. Schenn, E. Kane, or Couturier. Although I think the Canucks would have to add for Kane.

And Ballard will be the best option available for at least 1 GM.
- KB3Point0

Maybe at $1M once he's bought out.

Well, we disagree, I believe Schroeder is a better option for 2nd line C than Kesler, at roughly $4m less.
- 1970vintage

This. Assuming they are both still on this team come September and no upgrades have been made I hope the new coach gives a serious look to Schroeder as 2C with Kesler on his wing.

Too funny, sorry, I can't continue I have too much homework to do.
- 1970vintage

I have yet to hear you make a valid point. You don't think you can get a 4th line winger for $1M? Wrong, I just showed you that you can get a bunch of them. You don't think Tanev is worth $1.75M? Fine, what's he worth, cause it's pretty close. You don't think Tanev at $1.75M is worth more than Alberts at $1M? Seriously? Find one other person who thinks Alberts at $1M is a better deal than Tanev at $1.75M.

Stats exist for a reason. Luongo's personal #'s (GAA & Sv%) were worse than an entire league's worth of goaltenders, and that on a division winner with a DEEP defense. Sample size schmample size... His numbers weren't good.
- DrChristianTroy

Adding a bunch of games would have added a few more stinkers, I'd imagine.

I took issue with your comment about Schroeder's D. He is a good two-way centre who is just now starting to improve offensively after working on his defence for a few seasons.

I read your argument, and see where Vintage is coming from—didn't look to me like he was saying Schroeder was necessarily ideal for 2C, but an option considering the savings in cap over Kesler and the fact that Kesler has lacked any chemistry with his 2nd line wingers to date, which frees up Kesler for another line or possibly a trade.

I would say that I definitely saw flashes of Schroeder's ability to play 2C if he can bring that consistently in the future. Definitely a better play maker than Kesler, and I would argue has better vision.

I haven't seen Schroeder's size to be an issue too much. He's been muscled off the puck on occasions, but that happens to larger less muscular forwards as well.

There's also no rule that says a team's 3C needs to be a monster. I'd rather a 3rd line that can hold their own defensively, has speed, and the ability to score.

Fill up the 4th with a couple monsters.
- Fosco

That's fine. Everybody is throwing offers around, and some are better than others.

I don't like giving up that many proven commodities for picks. Also don't think now is the right time to trade Kesler or Schneider.

I also have a slightly different opinion than many on here about the current state of the Canucks and their need for a re-tool/overhaul.
- Fosco

I just want a top 6 forward or 2 but if we have to give the world to get them its a bad idea. All this talk of moving up in the draft is fine and dandy but if its not top 3 pick for Edler no way. Those who say Edler is not worth a top 3 pick have no clue. Imo moving up in the draft is a joke anyhow. Potential is thrown around way to much. I prefer the word Proven. I want proven.

Full NTC/NMC. They would (I assume) only move together, and to a place they thought they would win.
- 1970vintage

NYC

But Luongo is better, and three years younger than Vokoun.
- Fosco

funny, they were having the same discussion about luongo's value on xm radio today. Their opinion was the same one I've been ripped for on here. Good goaltender? Absolutely. Terrible contract? Absolutely. Likely buyout? Yup. The prevailing opinion is that Gillis has sat on Luongo past the time he could have made a deal. With the lower cap this summer, teams looking to shed salary and the fact that there are a number of goaltending options available that don't come with 9 years remaining on their contract, Luongo is very likely to be bought out this summer.

His skills aren't why he'll be bought out, and as soon as he is he'll have his pick of several teams offering decent money on a fairly short term contract. No interest until after that. Gillis has pooched this one.

I took issue with your comment about Schroeder's D. He is a good two-way centre who is just now starting to improve offensively after working on his defence for a few seasons.

I read your argument, and see where Vintage is coming from—didn't look to me like he was saying Schroeder was necessarily ideal for 2C, but an option considering the savings in cap over Kesler and the fact that Kesler has lacked any chemistry with his 2nd line wingers to date, which frees up Kesler for another line or possibly a trade.

I would say that I definitely saw flashes of Schroeder's ability to play 2C if he can bring that consistently in the future. Definitely a better play maker than Kesler, and I would argue has better vision.

I haven't seen Schroeder's size to be an issue too much. He's been muscled off the puck on occasions, but that happens to larger less muscular forwards as well.

There's also no rule that says a team's 3C needs to be a monster. I'd rather a 3rd line that can hold their own defensively, has speed, and the ability to score.

Fill up the 4th with a couple monsters.
- Fosco

Well I agree with you that he's a better playmaker than Kesler. I also agree that he isn't bad defensively, especially given his size. However, he is not a "good" defensive NHL player at this point. He could develop into one, but right now he is not.

Schroeder is not a 3rd line player. He's a top 6 style forward and he needs to play there to be effective. Playing him on the 3rd line with 3rd line wingers will not produce big offensive numbers. He's a skilled center who needs to play with skilled players to be effective.