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powerhouse
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Columbia , MD
Joined: 11.28.2006

Jun 9 @ 10:08 PM ET
I keep Dan until next season and let him go if the team doesn't look on fire from the start. only exception for me is Tippett... he solves so many issues including Fluery... he would make Fluery the next Brodeur
- ChrisMS


Not a Dan fan. Too idealistic and not realistic.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jun 9 @ 10:35 PM ET
I keep Dan until next season and let him go if the team doesn't look on fire from the start. only exception for me is Tippett... he solves so many issues including Fluery... he would make Fluery the next Brodeur
- ChrisMS


If you're going to judge Dan Bylsma on how the team plays in the regular season, you'd be crazy to want him fired. Quickest coach to reach 200 wins. I fully expect this team to be near the top of the standings next year with or without Disco. Unfortunately that's not the reason people are questioning his tenure.
rival22
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @Mance_22 - Albany, NY
Joined: 02.27.2007

Jun 9 @ 11:02 PM ET
Hahaha... did anyone catch this exchange yesterday afternoon between Beau Bennett and Andrew Taglianetti. Andrew is Peter's kid who works with the Pens equipment crew.

Beau Bennett (@BeauBennett78) tweeted at 0:17 PM on Sat, Jun 08, 2013:
Didn't end the way we wanted but thanks for a fun first year in the Burgh.

Andrew Taglianetti (@Andrew_Tags) tweeted at 0:25 PM on Sat, Jun 08, 2013:
@BeauBennett78 want to party today?

Beau Bennett (@BeauBennett78) tweeted at 0:26 PM on Sat, Jun 08, 2013:
@Andrew_Tags Does a duck with one leg swim in circles?

Andrew Taglianetti (@Andrew_Tags) tweeted at 0:27 PM on Sat, Jun 08, 2013:
@BeauBennett78 ill bring the beers...I'll bring the beers.
Genev21
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.29.2012

Jun 9 @ 11:13 PM ET
Hahaha... did anyone catch this exchange yesterday afternoon between Beau Bennett and Andrew Taglianetti. Andrew is Peter's kid who works with the Pens equipment crew.

Beau Bennett (@BeauBennett78) tweeted at 0:17 PM on Sat, Jun 08, 2013:
Didn't end the way we wanted but thanks for a fun first year in the Burgh.

Andrew Taglianetti (@Andrew_Tags) tweeted at 0:25 PM on Sat, Jun 08, 2013:
@BeauBennett78 want to party today?

Beau Bennett (@BeauBennett78) tweeted at 0:26 PM on Sat, Jun 08, 2013:
@Andrew_Tags Does a duck with one leg swim in circles?

Andrew Taglianetti (@Andrew_Tags) tweeted at 0:27 PM on Sat, Jun 08, 2013:
@BeauBennett78 ill bring the beers...I'll bring the beers.

- rival22

this kid just keeps getting better
Deadstar
Joined: 06.29.2008

Jun 9 @ 11:40 PM ET
Lots of knee jerk reactions in here which is to be expected.
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

Jun 9 @ 11:42 PM ET
hopefully on Wednesday, shero has an answer for us. Penguins cant turn this into a Loungo situation where no one really knows whats going on. Penguins cant let this take the whole summer because too many moves are influenced by this coaching decision.

it seems like his assistants are goners regardless.

I hope bylsma goes, but I wouldn't be shocked if he stayed. bylsma is a good coach and a good guy. he should go to a team like PHX or either florida team. they would benefit from his exciting style. he would likely help them reach the playoffs.
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

Jun 9 @ 11:43 PM ET
Lots of knee jerk reactions in here which is to be expected.
- Deadstar

not me. I've felt this way for over a year.
Deadstar
Joined: 06.29.2008

Jun 10 @ 12:02 AM ET
Tippett's system is a nightmare. The less Lemieux is involved in coaches and personnel decisions the better.
Ben37
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: One of the Most Respected Hockeybuzz Posters, AB
Joined: 04.07.2010

Jun 10 @ 12:08 AM ET
Lots of knee jerk reactions in here which is to be expected.
- Deadstar


FIRE BYLSMA!

TRADE EVERYONE!

HIRE ANY COACH OFF THESE FAN LISTS!
Deadstar
Joined: 06.29.2008

Jun 10 @ 12:08 AM ET
I also think the team construction and calls to blow it up are nuts. 3 of the 4 games could have gone either way against one of the other top 4 teams in the league. I doubt we see Shero go all out at the deadline again for a few years, both due to salary cap restrictions and because you cant give up assets like that so often. Oh well.

There will be moves. Letang and Fleury are the two whose future seems to be the most up in the air.
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

Jun 10 @ 12:24 AM ET
Tippett's system is a nightmare. The less Lemieux is involved in coaches and personnel decisions the better.
- Deadstar

is it boring? sure.

it's conservative.

the only problem is that he's never run it with the starpower that PIT has. it is more for teams that don't have good players.

it's a gamble, but IMO it sure cant be any worse than DB's.
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

Jun 10 @ 1:17 AM ET
just a thought, how about this:

Letang

for

Gallagher
Bealieu
1st round

the only problem I see with this deal is that MTL doesn't really need a player like Letang given the fact they have subban. Yet MTL wouldn't have to worry about Letang's contract because no doubt he would resign for his hometown team.

this would be a good package for the pens. Gallagher is exactly what the penguins need. youth with heart. Bealieu could be Despres's d partner. (him and Despres were d partners while playing for St. Johns in the QMJHL)

another team might be able to give more, but this deal makes a ton of sense for the penguins IMO. just not sure for MTL.
HopintheCordoba
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: My Own Personal Burgh, MD
Joined: 04.04.2012

Jun 10 @ 2:11 AM ET
just a thought, how about this:

Letang

for

Gallagher
Bealieu
1st round

the only problem I see with this deal is that MTL doesn't really need a player like Letang given the fact they have subban. Yet MTL wouldn't have to worry about Letang's contract because no doubt he would resign for his hometown team.

this would be a good package for the pens. Gallagher is exactly what the penguins need. youth with heart. Bealieu could be Despres's d partner. (him and Despres were d partners while playing for St. Johns in the QMJHL)

another team might be able to give more, but this deal makes a ton of sense for the penguins IMO. just not sure for MTL.

- SuperHenderson13



I personally think Shero's relationship with Columbus could be huge. There are a bunch of options to choose from. I'm not saying Bobrovsky. Or anyone else in particular. I'm sure a roster player or two would be arranged. Although that'd be interesting and likely what I am saying is that they have 3 1st round picks. Getting one or more of those could be huge. They pick 14th, 19th and 27th. Players I'd like them to look at if they could get back into the first round are:

Anthony Mantha
QMJHL
Val-d'Or

Adam Erne
QMJHL
Quebec

Rasmus Ristolainen
Finland
TPS

Max Domi
OHL
London

Valeri Nischushkin
Chelyabinsk
Russia

and

Nikita Zadorov
OHL
London
nelson911
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 02.03.2007

Jun 10 @ 4:40 AM ET
What do ya guys think about this for 2013-14 and 14-15, The only salary if's may be Cooke and Dupuis... in which case Jussi becomes completely expendable if need be otherwise he can fit. Eaton's name is only in there as a name, I don't know if he'll back. Iginla and Murray are if's too, but I think they come back. Niskanen, Jeffrey and Kennedy will be traded... Hopefully Glass can be

2013-14 Roster
FORWARDS
James Neal ($5.000m) / Evgeni Malkin ($8.700m) / Chris Kunitz ($3.725m)
Beau Bennett ($0.9m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.7m) / Jarome Iginla ($3.0m)
Matt Cooke ($2.20m) / Brandon Sutter ($2.067m) / Pascal Dupuis ($2.4m)
Joe Vitale ($0.550m) / Jussi Jokinen ($2.100m) / Craig Adams ($0.675m)
Dustin Jeffrey ($0.688m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Paul Martin ($5.000m) / Brooks Orpik ($3.750m)
Kris Letang ($3.500m) / Simon Despres ($0.840m)
Mark Eaton ($0.725m) / Douglas Murray ($2.000m)
Deryk Engelland ($0.567m) /
GOALTENDERS
Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m)
Tomas Vokoun ($2.000m)

Cap Space about 165k

2014-15 is a whole other ball of wax:
Letang goes to 7mil per, Malkin 9.7. I would not explore anymore $$$ for Letang, I would rather try 2 shutdown D for that price and let Martin, Despres, Harrington and Pouliot maybe later handling the transition game. Sutter will have to stay at 3.0 mil, would move him otherwise, hasn't justified more yet. Fleury and Martin are UFA after this year, their 10 Mil in cap space is vital for Bennett post ELC. Orpik and Kunitz are UFA and could be resigned to slightly less deals... I picked Kuni because Orpik's money could be spent on Despres post ELC. Everyone says all these deals can't be made and there probably will be some that don't but here are some numbers that could work. I do think Fleury will get another shot with a goalie coach.... however the 2013 season will be his last chance, 2014 may be a stretch for him to be playing as a Pen, his dollars as you can see could really be stretched for the 3rd or 4th lines, you could see the Pens going cheap on a goalie this year or exploring trading James Neal if his streaky production continues.

2014-15 Roster
FORWARDS
James Neal ($5.000m) / Evgeni Malkin ($9.700m) / Chris Kunitz ($3.000m)
Pascal Dupuis ($2.4m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.70m) / Beau Bennett ($0.900m)
Matt Cooke ($2.250m) / Brandon Sutter ($3.00m) / Someone ($1.000m)
Someone ($0.725m) / Joe Vitale ($0.750m) / Someone ($0.675m)
Anton Zlobin ($0.608m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Simon Despres ($2.75m) / Kris Letang ($7.000m)
Paul Martin ($5.000m) / Scott Harrington ($0.911m)
Olli Maata ($0.840m) / Douglas Murray ($2.000m)
Robert Bortuzzo ($0.750m) /
GOALTENDERS
Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m)
Eric Hartzell ($0.874m)

Cap space is about 700k

Some of the choices are there for a reason and others are just fill ins as numbers.
nh4442
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @MyDaddysInTheAF, PA
Joined: 05.28.2010

Jun 10 @ 8:29 AM ET
Well its Monday.. so just waiting on my txt from pens or twitter to blow up about DB being fired....


yup just sitting here sipping my coffee and waiting....


I still think iggy dupes cooke and murray all resign for discounts soon, malkin after july 1st and then there will be big news at draft... does anyone think hartzell will get resigned and then be groomed to be a starter?
Deadstar
Joined: 06.29.2008

Jun 10 @ 8:38 AM ET
is it boring? sure.

it's conservative.

the only problem is that he's never run it with the starpower that PIT has. it is more for teams that don't have good players.

it's a gamble, but IMO it sure cant be any worse than DB's.

- SuperHenderson13


I feel like this is the wrong attitude to have. Bylsma would be hired in a minute if fired. The last thing I want is this team to play a Tippett or Tortorella style hockey.
Deadstar
Joined: 06.29.2008

Jun 10 @ 8:40 AM ET
I dont want Murray back. Or Morrow. I'd take Iginla, Dupuis, and Cooke for the right price. Thats it.
TheGame316
Joined: 11.18.2008

Jun 10 @ 8:43 AM ET
Just read on sportsnet that Letang wants at least 7 million and probably closer to 8

on an 8 year deal with a full no movement clause....

see ya Kris
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jun 10 @ 8:44 AM ET
I heard an interview last night with peter taglianetti...

He was asked a question about why the defense look so bad at times....

He said he thought there were big problems with communication. He said it looked like one guy didn't know what the other was going to do. I really do wonder if Simone Despres was allowed to play and gel with Letang all season, would Letang have looked like the player most of us considered a must keep this off season?

nh4442
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @MyDaddysInTheAF, PA
Joined: 05.28.2010

Jun 10 @ 9:05 AM ET
#tocchetwatch

#letangwatch

#newpenscoachwatch

#iggywatch

#flowerwatch or #fleurywatch


are all on!
Deadstar
Joined: 06.29.2008

Jun 10 @ 9:06 AM ET
Just read on sportsnet that Letang wants at least 7 million and probably closer to 8

on an 8 year deal with a full no movement clause....

see ya Kris

- TheGame316


Shouldnt really come as a surprise that that is his asking price.
nh4442
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @MyDaddysInTheAF, PA
Joined: 05.28.2010

Jun 10 @ 9:09 AM ET
Shouldnt really come as a surprise that that is his asking price.
- Deadstar

I just watch the final word on wpxi... that's what rossi is saying. letang wants 7 mil for like 5 yrs or something... all the panelist agreed he is probably going...
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jun 10 @ 9:13 AM ET
I feel like this is the wrong attitude to have. Bylsma would be hired in a minute if fired. The last thing I want is this team to play a Tippett or Tortorella style hockey.
- Deadstar


I'm confident Mario would not allow this team to play a full on defensive system.
rival22
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @Mance_22 - Albany, NY
Joined: 02.27.2007

Jun 10 @ 9:25 AM ET
Are we really putting Rick Tocchet's name out there for a head coach of a legitimate Stanley Cup contender?

Is this just based on his critique of this year's Pens team? Because it really can't be based on his coaching resume.
nh4442
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @MyDaddysInTheAF, PA
Joined: 05.28.2010

Jun 10 @ 9:35 AM ET
Are we really putting Rick Tocchet's name out there for a head coach of a legitimate Stanley Cup contender?

Is this just based on his critique of this year's Pens team? Because it really can't be based on his coaching resume.

- rival22

I think he would be a good mix of bylsma and torts.. you need someone to not sit there and be there friends and hold their hands.. you have some of the best players in the world not able to score and play a simple system or beat a simple system..
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