Multiple reasons really. Look at Brian Burke and Edm... When Edmonton OS'd Penner Burke nearly blew a gasket. The resentment was open. Do you think the Ducks and Oilers were gonna be good trading partner from that point on? Nope.

Flyers and Preds have had a notable trading history. Not any more.

Also, like you stated.. in essence, its the reason we have a cap. So big teams cant just buy their way to the players they want... to know we have deeper pockets, and basically tell another org.- "Listen, dont be big headed and try to keep your heads up... were gonna out bid ya, just let the guy go."- gives a terrible vibe around the league... especially in smaller markets.
- jak521

Well, to look at it another way, they're basically getting a cut of the Flyers' and other top teams' money as well. So, since the Flyers are responsible for a large portion of the league's success, and basically end up earning money for most other teams, I have no problem with them having a financial edge in signing players.

Well, to look at it another way, they're basically getting a cut of the Flyers' and other top teams' money as well. So, since the Flyers are responsible for a large portion of the league's success, and basically end up earning money for most other teams, I have no problem with them having a financial edge in signing players.
- jmatchett383

Exactly.

Multiple reasons really. Look at Brian Burke and Edm... When Edmonton OS'd Penner Burke nearly blew a gasket. The resentment was open. Do you think the Ducks and Oilers were gonna be good trading partner from that point on? Nope.

Flyers and Preds have had a notable trading history. Not any more.

Also, like you stated.. in essence, its the reason we have a cap. So big teams cant just buy their way to the players they want... to know we have deeper pockets, and basically tell another org.- "Listen, dont be big headed and try to keep your heads up... were gonna out bid ya, just let the guy go."- gives a terrible vibe around the league... especially in smaller markets.
- jak521

WHo cares about smaller market teams...they water down the product.

I really think they should do what it takes to move up into the top 5 and get Nichushkin. Top 6 forward, #11, and a future pick would do it I think.
- Jimmygrazz

Probably have to jump into the 3rd slot to get Nichushkin.

Probably have to jump into the 3rd slot to get Nichushkin.
- bradleyc4

By the way, how is his name spelled phonetically?

WHo cares about smaller market teams...they water down the product.
- Philly1980

Well, next lockout you can walk into negotiations and tell them that yourself. I'm sure both the NHL and NHLPA will agree with you.

WHo cares about smaller market teams...they water down the product.
- Philly1980

The point is that you are not helping yourself in the long run, if you keep hurting smaller teams. Do I have a problem with a team taking a run at a RFA? Not at all.. but backing them into a corner, and being overtly confident about it doesnt look good. It certainly has given the org. a bit of a black eye.

By the way, how is his name spelled phonetically?
- jmatchett383

i've heard: Knee-Chew-Sh-kin

The point is that you are not helping yourself in the long run, if you keep hurting smaller teams. Do I have a problem with a team taking a run at a RFA? Not at all.. but backing them into a corner, and being overtly confident about it doesnt look good. It certainly has given the org. a bit of a black eye.
- jak521

But at the same time, San Jose DOESN'T have a black eye league-wide after offer sheeting two players from the same team in the same offseason.

By the way, how is his name spelled phonetically?
- jmatchett383

neh-choo-shken I believe...

WHo cares about smaller market teams...they water down the product.
- Philly1980

The NHL BOG would probably agree. But there's no way the NHLPA would.

But at the same time, San Jose DOESN'T have a black eye league-wide after offer sheeting two players from the same team in the same offseason.
- jmatchett383

Big difference offering two players reasonable market deals, where you are not forcing a team to pay 28 million dollars in ONE year to keep the player. The Flyers played hard ball... they struck out, and Im fairly confident that 29 teams smirked.

Big difference offering two players reasonable market deals, where you are not forcing a team to pay 28 million dollars in ONE year to keep the player. The Flyers played hard ball... they struck out, and Im fairly confident that 29 teams smirked.
- jak521

Twenty-eight teams, imo. I think the Preds are still livid over the poison pill they're about to finish swallowing.

Big difference offering two players reasonable market deals, where you are not forcing a team to pay 28 million dollars in ONE year to keep the player. The Flyers played hard ball... they struck out, and Im fairly confident that 29 teams smirked.
- jak521

In my opinion, Shea Weber is totally worth the money the Flyers offered. The structure was outrageous, but I don't think the overall $$ is unreasonable. In my opinion, he's (when healthy) the most impressive player in the league.

Well, next lockout you can walk into negotiations and tell them that yourself. I'm sure both the NHL and NHLPA will agree with you.
- BulliesPhan87

this league needs to contract and get rid of the leeches... phoenix, nashville and all of the others loosing money....

The point is that you are not helping yourself in the long run, if you keep hurting smaller teams. Do I have a problem with a team taking a run at a RFA? Not at all.. but backing them into a corner, and being overtly confident about it doesnt look good. It certainly has given the org. a bit of a black eye.
- jak521

survival of the fittest my friend....its small teams owned by billionaires....you know who ends up paying for their poop the taxpayers....as in nashville the taxpayers are covering their loses.

this league needs to contract and get rid of the leeches... phoenix, nashville and all of the others loosing money....
- Philly1980

How do you go about convincing the NHLPA to let 3+ team's worth of players to be laid off? What concessions does the NHL give to the PA for that?

would anyone do

the 11th + couturier for the 4th(nicushkin)?

How do you go about convincing the NHLPA to let 3+ team's worth of players to be laid off? What concessions does the NHL give to the PA for that?
- jmatchett383

how do you convince the fans of other teams and the taxpayers to keep paying for these leeches...evenutally something will give out?

how do you convince the fans of other teams and the taxpayers to keep paying for these leeches...evenutally something will give out?
- Philly1980

If the city stops supporting them, the NHL will take control of the team and play them at the cap minimum until they can find a sucker to buy them.

would anyone do

the 11th + couturier for the 4th(nicushkin)?
- Philly1980

No.

That's what I don't get. Why any flyers fan would try to envision a season where we had flexible cap space is beyond me. It's not mistakes that lead the flyers to the cap ceiling, it's their philosophy.
- funmaster18

Boston has more talent under contract, plus an albatross LTIR player in Savard, yet they still always seem to have enough cap flexibility to make deadline additions.

Ditto Pittsburgh, with their two $8.7M players, they've never been in cap "hell" like the Flyers have been, and always leave enough cap space to add key pieces down the stretch.

So, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that Homer & Co. do a better job of working within their budget and being stingier during contract negotiations. I mean, this team is already over the cap, talking about buying guys out, and we're all still talking about throwing another ridiculous OS out there... and we wonder why this team can't seem to manage the cap constraints.

how do you convince the fans of other teams and the taxpayers to keep paying for these leeches...evenutally something will give out?
- Philly1980

This seems more like wishful thinking than a likely outcome, IMO.

No.
- BulliesPhan87

what if you got back a extra second rounder?

Boston has more talent under contract, plus an albatross LTIR player in Savard, yet they still always seem to have enough cap flexibility to make deadline additions.

Ditto Pittsburgh, with their two $8.7M players, they've never been in cap "hell" like the Flyers have been, and always leave enough cap space to add key pieces down the stretch.

So, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that Homer & Co. do a better job of working within their budget and being stingier during contract negotiations. I mean, this team is already over the cap, talking about buying guys out, and we're all still talking about throwing another ridiculous OS out there... and we wonder why this team can't seem to manage the cap constraints.
- Tomahawk

I don't think it's fair to hold forum and blog speculation of another big offer sheet against the Flyers.