HA! You guys have a lot of time on your hands in TO right now huh? (It's ok, no more than Vancouver)
- Beatle_john

I don't want to live in a world where poopty pizza can't be delivered quickly.

Yup, Schneider and Varlamov—no difference...
- Fosco

The comparison isn't that outlandish:
Similar size
both in their mid-20's
athletic playing styles

Differences:
Schneider played for an elite team w/ higher offensive support
Schneider actually had a goalie coach to help his game the past few years (way to go AVS! )
Varlamov has had a heavier workload under one of the league's most inconsistent defenses.

So--why would you overpay for Schneider when w/ the proper support, Varlamov could potentially put up similar #'s? You wouldn't--it's called a near-lateral (or unnecessary) move, and smart GMs tend not to make them.

not quite

FLA would need MORE to give up the 2nd over all

add next years 1st now you're starting to talk.
- zazzle

geezus VAN homers

Luongo (brutal salary dump) + Kesler (injury prone but still a pretty good player) +23rd overall for a franchise C, who will more than likely be having 100P seasons in the near future.

"nope. Too much. Luongo+2014 3rd for TBs 3rd straight up"

The comparison isn't that outlandish:
Similar size
both in their mid-20's
athletic playing styles

Differences:
Schneider played for an elite team w/ higher offensive support
Schneider actually had a goalie coach to help his game the past few years (way to go AVS! )
Varlamov has had a heavier workload under one of the league's most inconsistent defenses.

So--why would you overpay for Schneider when w/ the proper support, Varlamov could potentially put up similar #'s? You wouldn't--it's called a near-lateral (or unnecessary) move, and smart GMs tend not to make them.
- Dissent

they'll never put up similar numbers. Schneider could be winning vezinas pretty soon.

I do think Varlamov is a pretty good goalie, but he did play behind one of the weakest D cores in the league. Although it'l get better. Jones, barrie, Elliott on the way. I've never seen Siemens play so I don't know what they have in him, but his post draft stats are underwhelming.

Trying to get into the top 4 means NSH at 4, otherwise they would ahve said trying to get top 3 or top two or the first overall.

Secondly, this is where they try to offer Kesler who is exactly a NSH type player and anyone who follows VAN with even a passing glance has noticed all the talk of Kesler's time in Van coming to an end possibly.

It will take Edler as well I'd wager.

Van fans will think it will be for Luongo straight up as per hockeybuzz logic.
- yaktalksback

so your saying it takes kessler and edler to get yak from the oil??

Oh come on, stop including garbage in your proposal - Booth - yeah like Florida wants him back.

If you think the #2 pick is going to Van for anything less than Kesler, Edler & a 1st rounder, I think you're dillusional
- newmy

REEALLLLLY???

This site isnt even worth reading anymore with garbage like this.

Eklund: Breaking from Source "Canucks Mulling Major Deal ToGet Into Top 4 at Draft"
- Eklund

I could see Tampa moving their pick for a package including Luongo. They need goaltending badly. Would probably include a D as well. And a prospect.

Don't know VAN's prospect pool that well, so maybe some Canuck fans could suggest something...

how much u wanna bet this is made up

I could see Tampa moving their pick for a package including Luongo. They need goaltending badly. Would probably include a D as well. And a prospect.

Don't know VAN's prospect pool that well, so maybe some Canuck fans could suggest something...
- jnwood2517

Lu. .907 last season on a great defensive team. Bishop had a .917 in TB on a sh*t defensive team. Lu is a salary dump. He has no value. No one'd trade a shot at Mackinnon/Drouin/Jones for a 34 year old overpaid goalie on the decline of his career

Lu. .907 last season on a great defensive team. Bishop had a .917 in TB on a sh*t defensive team. Lu is a salary dump. He has no value. No one'd trade a shot at Mackinnon/Drouin/Jones for a 34 year old overpaid goalie on the decline of his career


- TheNugeIsHuge

Should be noted Bishop played the first half of his year on a excellent Ottawa team. Although I agree, it's a brutal trade. TB needs defense followed by forwards, with Bishop, Lindback And Vasilevsky (19th last year) meaning they actually have MORE young goaltending possibilities than most other teams.

Okay what's the offer for our 2nd selection. I'll field some offers.

Okay what's the offer for our 2nd selection. I'll field some offers.
- Panthers88

Okay this is fun, how about

Hemsky + 7th for Upshall + 2nd.

You turn Upshall's undesirable contract into a more functional player and drop 5 spots.

Okay this is fun, how about

Hemsky + 7th for Upshall + 2nd.

You turn Upshall's undesirable contract into a more functional player and drop 5 spots.
- Morris

It would have to be Hemsky and a younger guy on your roster.

It would have to be Hemsky and a younger guy on your roster.
- Panthers88

I think we'd be in tough to give up a young roster player. I kind of considered A) Hemsky and B) taking Upshall off your hands as separate assets, so to add a roster player to that might outprice the oilers.

Too bad too, because Jones especially would be a great addition to the Oilers stable

I think we'd be in tough to give up a young roster player. I kind of considered A) Hemsky and B) taking Upshall off your hands as separate assets, so to add a roster player to that might outprice the oilers.

Too bad too, because Jones especially would be a great addition to the Oilers stable
- Morris

Hemskey isnt an asset...

Hemskey isnt an asset...
- muffin_man

thanks for the input.

Should be noted Bishop played the first half of his year on a excellent Ottawa team. Although I agree, it's a brutal trade. TB needs defense followed by forwards, with Bishop, Lindback And Vasilevsky (19th last year) meaning they actually have MORE young goaltending possibilities than most other teams.
- Morris

Bishop still had a .917 in TB. .922 in OTT

Bishop still had a .917 in TB. .922 in OTT
- TheNugeIsHuge

Oh wow I didn't realize. Sorry then.

I could see Tampa moving their pick for a package including Luongo. They need goaltending badly. Would probably include a D as well. And a prospect.

Don't know VAN's prospect pool that well, so maybe some Canuck fans could suggest something...
- jnwood2517

CAN C-Brendan Gaunce 6'3" right handed, thick two-way Power Forward, toughness, leadership intangibles OHL
DEN LW-Nicklas Jensen 6'3" sniper/speed OHL/SEL/AHL
USA C-Joseph LaBate 6'4" playmaker NCAA
USA C-Jordan Schroeder 5'8" right handed speedy playmaker NCAA/AHL
CAN D-Frankie Corrado 6'1" right handed smooth, two-way Defensman, offensive upside OHL/AHL
SWE G-Eddie Lack 6'5" SEL/AHL

These are guys that have shown good predigree, and I think could play in the NHL given an opportunity. Don't know who would have value in a deal.

thanks for the input.
- Morris

I suppose Horc has trade value too? I'm sure teams are lining up to give you guys picks to acquire your compliance buyout.....

You might get Upshall for him straight up. ie a lesser buyout from a team who wouldnt be able to sign hemskey and doesnt care about the cap space.

I suppose Horc has trade value too? I'm sure teams are lining up to give you guys picks to acquire your compliance buyout.....

You might get Upshall for him straight up. ie a lesser buyout from a team who wouldnt be able to sign hemskey and doesnt care about the cap space.
- muffin_man

suppose away

suppose away
- Morris

ok Clouts.

I suppose Horc has trade value too? I'm sure teams are lining up to give you guys picks to acquire your compliance buyout.....

You might get Upshall for him straight up. ie a lesser buyout from a team who wouldnt be able to sign hemskey and doesnt care about the cap space.
- muffin_man

except upshall has 17P in the last 3 years. Thanks for comin out though.

except upshall has 17P in the last 3 years. Thanks for comin out though.
- TheNugeIsHuge

hence why he'd be a buyout. I'm confused as to your point.

ok Clouts.
- muffin_man

Many reports say he has surprisingly high positive value.

You claim he has negative value.

I'd say it's low positive value. We'll have to amicably agree to disagree.

Now, why did you change allegiances from a habs fan to an isles fan?