This has got me thinking. On what teams would Kes be the #1 guy?

Edmonton
Calgary
Toronto
Montreal
Winnipeg
Florida
New York Islander
Rangers
Devils

Could a case be made for other teams?
- Gullzy

all though he is probably as of right now a bit better than Nuge, Nuge will be the better player, so if he did come here and play on the first line, I don't think it would be any longer than one year before Nuge went back to the 1st

I could see Nashville doing a deal like

Gaustad + 4th overall

For

Kesler + 1st rounder

They'll lose Gaustads Contract and gain a sure fire #1 guy

As I said. Kesler the player has plenty of value. His cap hit has negative value. And cap space to the canucks has huge value. All together means the canucks are going to be giving up far far more player value to make a deal happen.
- Iggysbff

In order to move up that far in the draft you'll have to overpay quite a bit. But it also signifies a move in a different direction if the Canucks get rid of booth Kesler and Edler to make that move. The big question to ask is what does this mean for the teams direction? If they are getting rid of a lot of bodies to get younger, where does this leave the Sedins?

Kesler's cap hit is rather good imo. I'd take him and a 500,000 a year savings over Grabovski.

all though he is probably as of right now a bit better than Nuge, Nuge will be the better player, so if he did come here and play on the first line, I don't think it would be any longer than one year before Nuge went back to the 1st
- SpoiledByOil

It really depends on who are the first line wingers. If Kessel was still on the first line on the Leafs, him and Kesler together would be brutal. No one would pass...ever...

Kesler isn't going anywhere.

Hopefully we can be the next Oilers. I can only hope.
- Nucker101

You won't be. The Canucks' window has now closed and will be for a decade at least.

This has got me thinking. On what teams would Kes be the #1 guy?

Edmonton
Calgary
Toronto
Montreal
Winnipeg
Florida
New York Islander
Rangers
Devils

Could a case be made for other teams?
- Gullzy

Edmonton has RNH. Kesler may be better right now but not in the future
Calgary, Toronto OK
Montreal has Galchenyuk for their future #1
Jets ok
Florida is getting Nate MacKinnon so nope
Ummmm John Tavares... hello...
Rangers, Devils yep

Kesler isn't going anywhere.
- Boinker

Just like Carter and Richards werent?
Gillis said publicly changes will be made... that doesnt just mean Luongo.
Im going to say Kesler, Edler will be traded while their values are still high, Lou and Ballard bought out. Maybe Raymond will be traded as well.

You won't be. The Canucks' window has now closed and will be for a decade at least.
- JLO961

The season hasn't ended, the changes haven't been made. Sit tight and wait to see how it looks on opening before deciding.

You won't be. The Canucks' window has now closed and will be for a decade at least.
- JLO961

So we can't win draft lotteries? (frank).


And holy poop the amount of hate and lack of sarcasm detectors is amazing.

Schneider w/ Col or Tamp's current D in front of him would be no better than Varlamov or Bishop. People really need to start weighing who their goalies are playing behind and what systems they play under when they make estimations about their worth. You could start calling it "Brian Elliot (or Mike Smith) Syndrome." Cases of just decent goalies being turned into hyped, star-quality tenders by the teams they play for--take away the team, and they'd likely turn back into pumpkins.

Also, VAN isn't likely going to be able to get much back for either goaltender (especially Lu) seeing as there's likely going to be a # of quality FA's available w/o the hassle of having to trade. There's also the problem of both of them playing like poop in the playoffs...so yeah...
- Dissent

Yup, Schneider and Varlamov—no difference...

Edmonton has RNH. Kesler may be better right now but not in the future
Calgary, Toronto OK
Montreal has Galchenyuk for their future #1
Jets ok
Florida is getting Nate MacKinnon so nope
Ummmm John Tavares... hello...
Rangers, Devils yep
- FLYERSROCK!

Montreal, Florida and the Oilers all have future #1C's but if any of those teams had Kesler they would be playing him at the #1 spot for the next 2 - 3 years, and allow their youth to develop properly.

Very few players can play the #1 spot in there first 3 - 4 years of NHL experience.

Oh come on, stop including garbage in your proposal - Booth - yeah like Florida wants him back.

If you think the #2 pick is going to Van for anything less than Kesler, Edler & a 1st rounder, I think you're dillusional
- newmy

Is that some weird kind of pickle?

If you think the 2nd pick will bring Kesler, Edler, and a first, you're delusional! More fair would be Kesler OR Edler and the Canucks first.

Schneider w/ Col or Tamp's current D in front of him would be no better than Varlamov or Bishop. People really need to start weighing who their goalies are playing behind and what systems they play under when they make estimations about their worth. You could start calling it "Brian Elliot (or Mike Smith) Syndrome." Cases of just decent goalies being turned into hyped, star-quality tenders by the teams they play for--take away the team, and they'd likely turn back into pumpkins.

Also, VAN isn't likely going to be able to get much back for either goaltender (especially Lu) seeing as there's likely going to be a # of quality FA's available w/o the hassle of having to trade. There's also the problem of both of them playing like poop in the playoffs...so yeah...
- Dissent

Perhaps not in Colorado, but Schneider is a potential franchise goalie (IMO).

I guess comprehension isn't yours, I was throwing out random numbers like the idiot I was quoting, if your dumb ass could just read a bit further you would see I put the actual number, so suck a dink.
- SpoiledByOil

Aww...panties in a bunch that you got called out for not being able to do simple math? Its ok...they have these things called calculators for people like you.

This has got me thinking. On what teams would Kes be the #1 guy?

Edmonton
Calgary
Toronto
Montreal
Winnipeg
Florida
New York Islander
Rangers
Devils

Could a case be made for other teams?
- Gullzy

Oilers have the Nuge
Isles have JT

So 6, maybe 7 teams...and 4 of them didn't make the playoffs last year.

Yup, Schneider and Varlamov—no difference...
- Fosco

Schneider (frank)ing blows.

Perhaps not in Colorado, but Schneider is a potential franchise goalie (IMO).
- rdfred

Stop overrating our players, they all suck!

Aww...panties in a bunch that you got called out for not being able to do simple math? Its ok...they have these things called calculators for people like you.
- BoBBeR56

no just pointing out how petty you are about random sarcastic poop on the internet, and also how stupid you are that you couldn't even grasp the simple sarcasm, sorry but I could care less about idiots on the internet who have the comprehension levels of a poodle. if you can't figure out that was sarcasm directed at a stupid post then maybe you should go back to school

Interesting thread.

Any chance Mackinnon is overvalued? He's 17, 5'10" and weighs 180. How big can he possibly get without losing speed? Sure he has great skills; there are tons of undersized players in the AHL and Europe with better skills than some NHL players. They lack size to compete every night in the NHL.

RNH has great skills but has been injured at least twice already. Why? Because he is too small. He needs to put on 30 pounds. I don't think he can do it.

Size and potential size need to be weighed when valuing players. Mackinnon needs 2-3 years in the Minors to develop properly, but I bet he's rushed to the NHL and gets injured.

To suggest a proven top 6 roster player or top 4 dman is worth LESS that any of the top five in this draft is nonsense.

This has got me thinking. On what teams would Kes be the #1 guy?

Edmonton
Calgary
Toronto
Montreal
Winnipeg
Florida
New York Islander
Rangers
Devils

Could a case be made for other teams?
- Gullzy

For the assets they'd be giving up, NYI, Edmonton, Florida would not be prudent to acquire Kesler.

For one, I think Tavares would likely still be the #1 centre over Kesler now and for the rest of his career. Florida has Huberdeau and possibly MacKinnon coming in who sooner rather than later will drift into their natural C positions at the NHL level. Edmonton, the better sell for Kesler would be as a #2 centre as Nuge has a more #1 centre skillset. I'm not familiar with some of these other teams as much, but I feel that with Galchenyuk and Plekanec Montreal would be making more of a centre depth move than a clear move for a #1 centre there.

Interesting thread.

Any chance Mackinnon is overvalued? He's 17, 5'10" and weighs 180. How big can he possibly get without losing speed? Sure he has great skills; there are tons of undersized players in the AHL and Europe with better skills than some NHL players. They lack size to compete every night in the NHL.

RNH has great skills but has been injured at least twice already. Why? Because he is too small. He needs to put on 30 pounds. I don't think he can do it.

Size and potential size need to be weighed when valuing players. Mackinnon needs 2-3 years in the Minors to develop properly, but I bet he's rushed to the NHL and gets injured.

To suggest a proven top 6 roster player or top 4 dman is worth LESS that any of the top five in this draft is nonsense.
- pmg2008

Reports of size fluctuate wildly, indeed some have him at over 6 feet and 185 pounds!

From seeing him in person I would say he's likely a hair under 6 feet and about 180 pounds. The guy really takes care of himself though, and is hard to knock off the puck. He wasn't running for his life out there, he was driving possession, causing turnovers and barreling through defenders on route to the net.

Room to grow? definitely. But I'd venture he ends up with a very serviceable 6 foot, 200 lbs. body type. My comparable is Taylor Hall meets Jonathan Toews. And it is my personal opinion that he's NHL ready right now.

Reports of size fluctuate wildly, indeed some have him at over 6 feet and 185 pounds!

From seeing him in person I would say he's likely a hair under 6 feet and about 180 pounds. The guy really takes care of himself though, and is hard to knock off the puck. He wasn't running for his life out there, he was driving possession, causing turnovers and barreling through defenders on route to the net.

Room to grow? definitely. But I'd venture he ends up with a very serviceable 6 foot, 200 lbs. body type. My comparable is Taylor Hall meets Jonathan Toews. And it is my personal opinion that he's NHL ready right now.
- Morris

He looked fantastic, no doubt. If he hits 200, great, with Crosby's build, he'll do just fine. I'm just leery of all the hype. Dominating in Jr is one thing, competing with pissed off men is another. I think he'll be easily intimidated.

He looked fantastic, no doubt. If he hits 200, great, with Crosby's build, he'll do just fine. I'm just leery of all the hype. Dominating in Jr is one thing, competing with pissed off men is another. I think he'll be easily intimidated.
- pmg2008

I think that since he plays a North-South game, there will be an adjustment period. Heck, Taylor Hall is three years in and still has flights of fancy where he thinks he can barrel through everyone. He might get banged up, but I'm not sure if his career will be ruined or anything.

And I suppose it really depends on where he goes and how they deploy him on whether he succeeds.

no just pointing out how petty you are about random sarcastic poop on the internet, and also how stupid you are that you couldn't even grasp the simple sarcasm, sorry but I could care less about idiots on the internet who have the comprehension levels of a poodle. if you can't figure out that was sarcasm directed at a stupid post then maybe you should go back to school
- SpoiledByOil

What's hilarious is that you say you could care less, yet you continually respond...you sound like one of those tough kids in grade3 that acted tough because he couldn't figure out 2+2 and all the other kids made fun of him...
You got called out on your stupidity, and the fact that you probably have the IQ of a radish, and now are mad about it...