Well, the Sharks as well all know havent gone into free agency to pick up a top 6 winger for a long time, I cant remember the last time?? So right there is a sign. Number two its going to cost the org $6.6M to buy him out so adding a free agent for 6 years is going to cost an additional $1M per year, without a cap hit but someone has to pick up that tab.

I think it will be important for him to be here if Hertl makes the team at some point. Havlat can guide him to a small degree. If anything Havlat will get another year to show what he can do and if he can not stay on the team, he will be bought out for his last year and it will only cost the Sharks $3.3M.

If he's bought out, who can the Sharks target to fill in the RW spot that can play either the 2nd/3rd line? There are some names but some will cost a pretty penny...

Notable UFA RW's:

Nathan Horton-Gonna command big bucks $5+M for 5yrs

Jaromir Jagr-Age hasnt quite caught him but his speed has ($4M per /2yr min)

Jarome Iginla-Can still produce but is not very good in his own end ($4M+/3yr min)

Micheal Ryder-I think is very underrated; could be a good deal ($4M per/3yr min)

David Clarkson-Probably the most overrated and will be over paid ($5M per/5yr min)

Pascal Dupuis-Can still keep up being 35 yrs old but can he do it w/out Crosby? ($3M/2yr min)

Damien Brunner-DET is going to do everything to sign him ($3.5M/3yr min)

Chad LaRose-More of your typical 3rd liner can put the puck in the net ($2.5M/3yr min)

Ryan Jones-Has been a proven 15 goal scorer, but....($2M/3yrs)

Viktor Stalberg-Lots of people like him, I dont buy into the koolaid. He's big and fast w/ some scoring ability, ideal tweener player, but he tends to disappear when the going gets tough. Has been invisible during the playoffs and the Sharks had been knocked for having players like that. ($3M/3yrs)
- Orange Julius

Here is why I think they will. Keeping him will prevent the use of up and coming sharks, and it will cost them less to buy him out with the 2/3 buy out. The guy won't play 2/3 of the season. There are plent of other veterans that are better suited to guide the youth. A guy that doesn't fit in to the organization isn't the guy you want shaping your younger players. With or without havlat on the roster you need someone to take his spot as he will be down and not playing more than he isn't. Better to get rid of him and use the backup to start with so it doesn't even have to be a big name ufa.

I've said this every year for the last 3 years, but this year it applies more than ever, it's time to rebuild. The Sharks are not going to win the cup with this core group. Hang on to Pavelski, Burns, Niemi and Couture, but as far as I'm concerned, everyone else should be expendable.

Thornton, Marleau, and Boyle have as high a value now as they ever will again in their careers. Time to get rid of them and add some younger talent and draft picks. The Sharks cupboard is empty at the moment and considering that this group won't win, the future isn't looking bright either. That could be fixed with a few major trades now to get younger and faster.
- sjsharks92

Time for Dan Boyle to move home .......

I've said this every year for the last 3 years, but this year it applies more than ever, it's time to rebuild. The Sharks are not going to win the cup with this core group. Hang on to Pavelski, Burns, Niemi and Couture, but as far as I'm concerned, everyone else should be expendable.

Thornton, Marleau, and Boyle have as high a value now as they ever will again in their careers. Time to get rid of them and add some younger talent and draft picks. The Sharks cupboard is empty at the moment and considering that this group won't win, the future isn't looking bright either. That could be fixed with a few major trades now to get younger and faster.
- sjsharks92

Retool, not rebuild. Also keep Thornton, the guy is a beast. You need leadership like that to win, especially if Marleau, Boyle + are moved for younger guys

Retool, not rebuild. Also keep Thornton, the guy is a beast. You need leadership like that to win, especially if Marleau, Boyle + are moved for younger guys
- FinAddict

Something tells me that Marleau is going to retire as a Shark.

On Thornton, I say the Sharks should keep him, if he regresses he will still be a dominant 3C if needed. But he has accepted his role as a 2C, where he rightfully belongs. Normally he could probably be a 1C on several teams. My only concern is the money that he will demand this coming offseason. I hope its in the $4-5M range, this will allow the Sharks to throw a max deal at Couture. Im thinking a deal similar to what Doan got last year (4yrs-$21M). Joe is still near a point per game player, the Sharks need him.

Boyle will be interesting, the new Gonchar contract didnt help the Sharks case in keeping him. Somebody on the market would give Boyle a $5M per year contract. There is still value for him, but what do the Sharks value for him? A high value prospect and pick or someone they can win a cup with??

Does Cam Gore ever read any of his replies, because this has to be the most boring fvcking blog on HockeyBuzz. Very dry and has zero substance, the comment section is more entertaining to read than the actual articles. Eklund, if you are reading, please find someone else who can contribute in a better way. He's making me miss Ryan Gardner in a big way.

Buyouts should be Havlat and Burish

Does Cam Gore ever read any of his replies, because this has to be the most boring fvcking blog on HockeyBuzz. Very dry and has zero substance, the comment section is more entertaining to read than the actual articles. Eklund, if you are reading, please find someone else who can contribute in a better way. He's making me miss Ryan Gardner in a big way.
- Orange Julius

LOL! Gotta agree

Well, the Sharks as well all know havent gone into free agency to pick up a top 6 winger for a long time, I cant remember the last time?? So right there is a sign. Number two its going to cost the org $6.6M to buy him out so adding a free agent for 6 years is going to cost an additional $1M per year, without a cap hit but someone has to pick up that tab.



If he's bought out, who can the Sharks target to fill in the RW spot that can play either the 2nd/3rd line? There are some names but some will cost a pretty penny...

Notable UFA RW's:

Nathan Horton-Gonna command big bucks $5+M for 5yrs

Jaromir Jagr-Age hasnt quite caught him but his speed has ($4M per /2yr min)

Jarome Iginla-Can still produce but is not very good in his own end ($4M+/3yr min)

Micheal Ryder-I think is very underrated; could be a good deal ($4M per/3yr min)

David Clarkson-Probably the most overrated and will be over paid ($5M per/5yr min)

Pascal Dupuis-Can still keep up being 35 yrs old but can he do it w/out Crosby? ($3M/2yr min)

Damien Brunner-DET is going to do everything to sign him ($3.5M/3yr min)

Chad LaRose-More of your typical 3rd liner can put the puck in the net ($2.5M/3yr min)

Ryan Jones-Has been a proven 15 goal scorer, but....($2M/3yrs)

Viktor Stalberg-Lots of people like him, I dont buy into the koolaid. He's big and fast w/ some scoring ability, ideal tweener player, but he tends to disappear when the going gets tough. Has been invisible during the playoffs and the Sharks had been knocked for having players like that. ($3M/3yrs)
- Orange Julius

You left off a couple of good players namely Bryan Bickell and Taylor Bozak. Also left off were Clarke MacArthur and Mason Raymond. Now regarding you list.

I don't want any part of Iginla, Jagr or Ryder or Brunner, or Flippula. I do like Jones, Stalberg and LaRose, but come on man your talking Doug Wilson. Wilson's ideal free agent has to have won a Stanley Cup, be good on face off, have limited scoring ability, be from the providence of Ontario, or have went to Boston College and be over 30 years old and have an injury history in his background and the player cannot be from Russia.

So my Doug Wilson free agency list looks like this:

David Steckel, Simon Gagne, Jochen Hecht, Chad LaRose, Danny Cleary, Jarred Smithson, Dustin Penner, Jeff Halprin, Patrick Elias, Brenden Morrow and Mike Riberio.

My top 3 most likely to be overpaid and signed by Wilson.
1. Danny Cleary ----Overrated, and not a good player, fits perfect
2. Dustin Penner ----Slow, and Lazy fits perfect with JT
3. Mike Riberio ----Old former capt, old and old. Fits perfect too.

Where are you getting this? Sharks are fine cap wise including giving raises to their RFA's in Galiardi, Demers, Sheppard, and Desjardins. The will have enough to retain Torres and sign other UFA's such as backup goalie Alex Stalock and possibly 7th D Nick Petrecki.

Here:
FORWARDS
Patrick Marleau ($6.900m) / Logan Couture ($2.875m) / Brent Burns ($5.760m)
T.J. Galiardi ($1.250m) / Joe Thornton ($7.000m) / Martin Havlat ($5.000m)
Raffi Torres ($2.250m) / Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / Tommy Wingels ($0.775m)
James Sheppard ($0.875m) / Andrew Desjardins ($0.705m) / Adam Burish ($1.850m)
DEFENSEMEN
Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($4.250m) / Justin Braun ($1.250m)
Matt Irwin ($1.000m) / Dan Boyle ($6.667m)
Brad Stuart ($3.600m) / Jason Demers ($1.400m)
Nick Petrecki ($0.550m)
GOALTENDERS
Antti Niemi ($3.800m)
Alex Stalock ($0.650m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,406,667; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $1,893,333
- Orange Julius

so the sharks are gonna roll only 12 forwards? If gomez is brought back that space is likely to be under a million. If someone gets hurt the team would be up against the cap just bringing in a warrm body.

You left off a couple of good players namely Bryan Bickell and Taylor Bozak. Also left off were Clarke MacArthur and Mason Raymond. Now regarding you list.
- Sharkfan48

I didn't realize Tyler had a brother...are they twins?

Where are you getting this? Sharks are fine cap wise including giving raises to their RFA's in Galiardi, Demers, Sheppard, and Desjardins. The will have enough to retain Torres and sign other UFA's such as backup goalie Alex Stalock and possibly 7th D Nick Petrecki.

Here:
FORWARDS
Patrick Marleau ($6.900m) / Logan Couture ($2.875m) / Brent Burns ($5.760m)
T.J. Galiardi ($1.250m) / Joe Thornton ($7.000m) / Martin Havlat ($5.000m)
Raffi Torres ($2.250m) / Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / Tommy Wingels ($0.775m)
James Sheppard ($0.875m) / Andrew Desjardins ($0.705m) / Adam Burish ($1.850m)
DEFENSEMEN
Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($4.250m) / Justin Braun ($1.250m)
Matt Irwin ($1.000m) / Dan Boyle ($6.667m)
Brad Stuart ($3.600m) / Jason Demers ($1.400m)
Nick Petrecki ($0.550m)
GOALTENDERS
Antti Niemi ($3.800m)
Alex Stalock ($0.650m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,406,667; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $1,893,333
- Orange Julius

The problem is that it is the same old team. You also conveniently left 2 players off your roster.

Doesn't the player have to be making a certain amount of money to qualify for the amnesty buy-out? Just wondering because a couple of guys I wanted to buy-out in Montreal didn't qualify based on salary. So, is Burish even an option?

Doesn't the player have to be making a certain amount of money to qualify for the amnesty buy-out? Just wondering because a couple of guys I wanted to buy-out in Montreal didn't qualify based on salary. So, is Burish even an option?
- kev1586

Teams were allowed to use the buyout before the start of this season. This had the requirement that the salary was over 3 million and the player got full salary and it did count against the cap for this season. The buyouts at the end of this season don't have a minimal salary. So Montreal used one already so they can buy one more at the end of the season.

Havlat was never put on the IR, he played during the playoffs and was a scratch for the rest.
- Orange Julius

You gotta' admit... It was easy to assume that he was.....

I've said this every year for the last 3 years, but this year it applies more than ever, it's time to rebuild. The Sharks are not going to win the cup with this core group. Hang on to Pavelski, Burns, Niemi and Couture, but as far as I'm concerned, everyone else should be expendable.

Thornton, Marleau, and Boyle have as high a value now as they ever will again in their careers. Time to get rid of them and add some younger talent and draft picks. The Sharks cupboard is empty at the moment and considering that this group won't win, the future isn't looking bright either. That could be fixed with a few major trades now to get younger and faster.
- sjsharks92

I'd love to aquire either Marleau or Thornton for the Leafs, the problem is, what do you think San Jose would want for either of those two? With their age at 34 it'll be hard to get a lot in return for them... I'm thinking like 2 prospects and a roster player... or a late 1st round pick (like our 21st pick in this year's draft), player and a prospect.

Who would you like off of the Leafs's roster/draft picks and or prospects to make a deal happen considering that Kadri, Kulemin, Gardnier, Lupul, Kessel, Morgan Reilley and Stuart Percy are all deal breakers IMHO?


EDIT - I totally see Marleau remaining a Sark for his careeer..... as he was drafted by them 2nd overall behind Jumbo Joe. I'd prefer him over Joe because he can play wing as well and is a waaay better skater but Joe is the guy the Leafs need more as he is truly that #1 Centre we are looking for... wins draws, big, strong and is a top playmaker in the league to play alongside Kessel and whoever and rack up points!

I'd love to aquire either Marleau or Thornton for the Leafs, the problem is, what do you think San Jose would want for either of those two? With their age at 34 it'll be hard to get a lot in return for them... I'm thinking like 2 prospects and a roster player... or a late 1st round pick (like our 21st pick in this year's draft), player and a prospect.

Who would you like off of the Leafs's roster/draft picks and or prospects to make a deal happen considering that Kadri, Kulemin, Gardnier, Lupul, Kessel, Morgan Reilley and Stuart Percy are all deal breakers IMHO?


EDIT - I totally see Marleau remaining a Sark for his careeer..... as he was drafted by them 2nd overall behind Jumbo Joe. I'd prefer him over Joe because he can play wing as well and is a waaay better skater but Joe is the guy the Leafs need more as he is truly that #1 Centre we are looking for... wins draws, big, strong and is a top playmaker in the league to play alongside Kessel and whoever and rack up points!
- t_leafs21

I think the Sharks could get a late 1st rounder a prospect and a roster player for either of those guys. And in my opinion, if the Sharks were offered something like that, they should take it. The window is clearly closed on this group lead by Marleau, Thornton, Boyle. Time to hand over the reins to Couture, Pavelski, and Burns, while loading up for the future. Otherwise, we will be watching Marleau, Thornton, and Boyle walk for nothing after next season.