What a hitter...
- aightwebang17

Marla Hooch. "Im singing to Nelson"

"...which was signed when the Player was age 35 or older" Thats the part, just before the parenthesis, that I remember reading that wasn't clear. Or clear enough at least. Pronger signed it before he turned 35. So what guideline do you roll by? The rule or the stipulation?
- GirouxForTheShow

The stipulation is part of the rule, I really don't see how they could overlook it. You go by both, they wouldn't just put that language in there if it had no impact on the rule.

Then there is a question to be asked. Let's accept that they were mistaken about the 35+ rule. Do you think they wouldn't have traded for Pronger, and not extended him because of that? I don't think it would've changed anything.
- MJL

That's a fair question, and one for which I don't have a concrete answer. They may have reduced the years, and eaten a higher cap hit, but that's going further into the hypothetical realm.

Yes. There were unsubstantiated reports at the time that the reason he wrecked his bike was because he ran into a set of parenthesis that he didn't see.
- BringBack25

Marla Hooch. "Im singing to Nelson"
- GirouxForTheShow

Choose 1:

'All the Way' May Mortivito

or

Ellen Sue Gotlander

Probably a sign that said "(Watch out Stupid!)"
- Tomahawk

Certainly wouldn't call him stupid. I'm nowhere near as down on him, or his record, as you seem to be. I think he's one of the better GMs in the league. Sure, not all his moves have worked out, but you can pick apart any GMs record like that. It's the nature of the job. The things I like about Holmgren are that he is aggressive, and when he does make a mistake, he recognizes it and corrects it (at least he has so far).

There are only a few GMs out there that I'd rather have. Very few. Maybe only one (Holland) that I can think of right off the top of my head.

Choose 1:

'All the Way' May Mortivito

or

Ellen Sue Gotlander
- aightwebang17

It's gotta be Ellen Sue Gotlander.

You just know that young May Mortivito was likely passed around more than a joint at a Phish concert.

Choose 1:

'All the Way' May Mortivito

or

Ellen Sue Gotlander
- aightwebang17

The one that's not Madonna.

It's gotta be Ellen Sue Gotlander.

You just know that young May Mortivito was likely passed around more than a joint at a Phish concert.
- johndewar

May Mortivito. The way I learned, a win is a win, unless its a guy. And I figure I could learn a few things from all the way May.

Then there is a question to be asked. Let's accept that they were mistaken about the 35+ rule. Do you think they wouldn't have traded for Pronger, and not extended him because of that? I don't think it would've changed anything.
- MJL

It may have if the new contract came with a 7 mil cap hit which would have been very likely...maybe even more.

Certainly wouldn't call him stupid. I'm nowhere near as down on him, or his record, as you seem to be. I think he's one of the better GMs in the league. Sure, not all his moves have worked out, but you can pick apart any GMs record like that. It's the nature of the job. The things I like about Holmgren are that he is aggressive, and when he does make a mistake, he recognizes it and corrects it (at least he has so far).

There are only a few GMs out there that I'd rather have. Very few. Maybe only one (Holland) that I can think of right off the top of my head.
- BringBack25

It is worth mentioning that, despite my posting today, I'm a Holmgren fan. He's not perfect, but he's worked hard to improve this team. And as for 'mistakes', you can make the case that they are mistakes, but it's not fair to jettison the context.

Without context, you could also describe him as, "That GM who signed Lukas Krajicek as a top six defenseman on a cup contender."

Certainly wouldn't call him stupid. I'm nowhere near as down on him, or his record, as you seem to be. I think he's one of the better GMs in the league. Sure, not all his moves have worked out, but you can pick apart any GMs record like that. It's the nature of the job. The things I like about Holmgren are that he is aggressive, and when he does make a mistake, he recognizes it and corrects it (at least he has so far).

There are only a few GMs out there that I'd rather have. Very few. Maybe only one (Holland) that I can think of right off the top of my head.
- BringBack25

He can certainly draft for me in the first round. After that, I'd give the chore to a twelve year old with a Hockey News Draft Preview.

May Mortivito. The way I learned, a win is a win, unless its a guy. And I figure I could learn a few things from all the way May.
- GirouxForTheShow

Solid point. You also know that it won't require much effort on your part with May.

But let's hope that, of the things you learn from May, one of them isn't how to ask your doctor for valtrex.

Certainly wouldn't call him stupid. I'm nowhere near as down on him, or his record, as you seem to be. I think he's one of the better GMs in the league. Sure, not all his moves have worked out, but you can pick apart any GMs record like that. It's the nature of the job. The things I like about Holmgren are that he is aggressive, and when he does make a mistake, he recognizes it and corrects it (at least he has so far).

There are only a few GMs out there that I'd rather have. Very few. Maybe only one (Holland) that I can think of right off the top of my head.
- BringBack25

He is aggressive, and I think that's where some of the carelessness has crept in.

Like I said in my first post, I'm a big fan of Homer in most respects. Putting the focus on his penchant for missteps isn't necessarily saying I don't like the guy -- he's got pros and cons like everybody else.

Yeah, Holland is probably one of the few... he never gets caught with his pants down and he's calculated and methodical. Chiarelli is the other. He's had to deal with just as much sh*t flying out of left field as Homer (Thomas walking out on the team, Savard stuck on LTIR), but somehow has cap space and all his core intact.

What a hitter...
- aightwebang17

Big BAt

He is aggressive, and I think that's where some of the carelessness has crept in.

Like I said in my first post, I'm a big fan of Homer in most respects. Putting the focus on his penchant for missteps isn't necessarily saying I don't like the guy -- he's got pros and cons like everybody else.

Yeah, Holland is probably one of the few... he never gets caught with his pants down and he's calculated and methodical. Chiarelli is the other. He's had to deal with just as much sh*t flying out of left field as Homer (Thomas walking out on the team, Savard stuck on LTIR), but somehow has cap space and all his core intact.
- Tomahawk

I'd think about trading Homer straight up for Ray Shero.

If they sign Suter or if the Weber thing went through, do they even trade JvR?
- johndewar

Wasn't everyone freaked out we had given up on him too fast when he started strong with Toronto? Diddn't that contract look pretty good at that point? I don't think Toronto is complaining... well they are hockey fans... maybe they are.

It may have if the new contract came with a 7 mil cap hit which would have been very likely...maybe even more.
- Just5

In my opinion, would've have signed him to the same deal, regardless of whether they knew it would be a 35+ deal or not.

I'd think about trading Homer straight up for Ray Shero.
- 77rams

- bradleyc4

Agreed.

Big BAt
- KINGKENZO

Can't believe Marla left midseason to get married. The peaches would have easily won the series if she was there.

Here's the thing I really hate about the Cap. It's turned fans into bean counters. "He's a good player but is he worth that contract?", "that contract is too long, we'll never be able to move it". I would really love to go back to not giving a crap what a player is paid, only if they are doing a good job.

Y'know the more I think about it, if Homer could sign Backstrom to even a 3 year 15-mil contract, it would be worth it to jettison Bryz's longer contract.

Here's the thing I really hate about the Cap. It's turned fans into bean counters. "He's a good player but is he worth that contract?", "that contract is too long, we'll never be able to move it". I would really love to go back to not giving a crap what a player is paid, only if they are doing a good job.
- flyler

You might be able to, but the fans of teams without unlimited budgets would still have to care about how much the players got paid.

- bradleyc4

OK. Why?