Ok, im delving into some fantasy world stuff here, but...

Carolina seems to be shopping their 5th pick... so long as they get quality NOW stuff...

What about our 1st, one of Grossmann/Meszy/Coburn, and Read for Justin Faulk and their 1st?

http://www.hockeybuzz.com...?thread_id=107403&page=23
- Flyskippy

but you already knew that.

It certainly has been different in Boston under Chiarelli, and I would never dispute that.

But boy, before he got there, it was just like Philadelphia. Mike Keenan, Laviolette, Dave Lewis, Mike O'Connell, Joe Thornton discarded...they operated just like we did/do.

We just have to stop knee-jerking and trading everything that moves, firing every coach.
- AllInForFlyers

I'm fond of saying that they've tried everything under the sun -- trades, signings, hirings/firings, offer-sheets, drafting, front-loading, back-diving. The one thing they haven't tried is exercising patience and doing nothing at all.

Taking a coaching change off the table was a great first step. Now, just have to wait and see whether this current core is going to get another year together or not.

Ok, im delving into some fantasy world stuff here, but...

Carolina seems to be shopping their 5th pick... so long as they get quality NOW stuff...

What about our 1st, one of Grossmann/Meszy/Coburn, and Read for Justin Faulk and their 1st?
- jak521

Carolina would want L Schenn

Certainly they aren't, because they kept Laviolette, but did you see how much rage/frustration that prompted in some quarters?
- AllInForFlyers

oh we see it around here, we see it.

Thanks, you hold a very special place in my heart.
- mayorofangrytown

any time

Yeah, all fan bases tend to be irrational, emotional and impatient.

The real difference is in ownership and management. Chiarelli is analytical, detail-oriented and patient, whereas Homer tends to be mistake-prone and quick to action/reaction, and Snider's shadow is always looming large.
- Tomahawk

Labeling Holmgren as mistake prone is another mischaracterization. Simply not the case.

Carolina would want L Schenn
- vejim

I wonder what it would take just to get the #5..

#11 and ?

Is Neil Little still with the organization? If so, how is Nitty's role different from Neil Little's (whom I thought was the "goalie scout")?
- johndewar

Yes, Little is still with the organization. He will focus on North America and has gone on to be more of a general scout than a goaltending specialist.

That's what a compliance buyout is.
- Feanor

the warrior is confusing me

Yes, Little is still with the organization. He will focus on North America and has gone on to be more of a general scout than a goaltending specialist.
- bmeltzer

Thank you, sir!

http://www.hockeybuzz.com...?thread_id=107403&page=23
- Flyskippy

quit trying to take my place.

the warrior is confusing me
- Don'tForgetTocchet

And I've read Chicago fans baying for Quenneville's blood at various times in the years since their Cup win.



Little's in North America, Nitty is in Europe.
- Feanor

They'll meet in the Bahamas to compare notes.

I'll probably get ripped on this proposal, but hear me out.

Changes are coming in Pittsburgh. Barring a crazy comeback, pieces are moving. One of the interesting things is that Malkin and Letang are up for deals next season, so one probably goes.

Were I Pitt's GM, I'd move Malkin, who would bring a much better return that Letang. And I'd move him to Florida for this return:

2014 1st
2015 1st
Huberdeau
Markstrom
Weiss

Now, most team's wouldn't make that deal, even for a player as great (most years) as Malkin. But I think Florida would. Here's why:

This year, season tix started at $7/game ($168) with a free jersey (~$100), which works out to roughly $2.83 per game. The team just cannot draw.

Evgeni Malkin is a marquee name. He's the guy you can put on a billboard on the highway and people will come to see him (imagine miniature Gretzky to LA). As a hockey trade, no GM would trade that amount for him. But with enough pressure, ownership would realize that Evgeni Malkin would be a huge marketing tool, and may tell their GM to get him no matter what the cost. Pittsburgh gets a young 1st line winger, a top rated young goalie, a good center, and 2 1st rounders. Florida gets one of the game's top superstars and a huge marketing tool.

I know it probably sounds crazy, but just wanted to throw it out there.

Ok, im delving into some fantasy world stuff here, but...

Carolina seems to be shopping their 5th pick... so long as they get quality NOW stuff...

What about our 1st, one of Grossmann/Meszy/Coburn, and Read for Justin Faulk and their 1st?
- jak521

Uh, Faulk's their #1 defenseman now.

I'm fond of saying that they've tried everything under the sun -- trades, signings, hirings/firings, offer-sheets, drafting, front-loading, back-diving. The one thing they haven't tried is exercising patience and doing nothing at all.

Taking a coaching change off the table was a great first step. Now, just have to wait and see whether this current core is going to get another year together or not.
- Tomahawk

There are 4 teams in the Conference Finals. They likely wouldn't be there if they had just exercised patience and done nothing at all. And we can look at the roster of each of the 4 teams, and point out the moves they made, to build their teams. Patience is definitely required with young players. And the Flyers need to do a better job there in some cases. But every top team is supplemented with trades, and Free Agent signings, as well as other forms of player acqusitions.

Uh, Faulk's their #1 defenseman now.
- bradleyc4

Fine, switch him with Eric Staal.

There are 4 teams in the Conference Finals. They likely wouldn't be there if they had just exercised patience and done nothing at all. And we can look at the roster of each of the 4 teams, and point out the moves they made, to build their teams. Patience is definitely required with young players. And the Flyers need to do a better job there in some cases. But every top team is supplemented with trades, and Free Agent signings, as well as other forms of player acqusitions.
- MJL

You trying to say that LA and Boston have acquired an impact player or 2 from outside of their organizations?

You trying to say that LA and Boston have acquired an impact player or 2 from outside of their organizations?
- jmatchett383

Maybe one or two!

I'll probably get ripped on this proposal, but hear me out.

Changes are coming in Pittsburgh. Barring a crazy comeback, pieces are moving. One of the interesting things is that Malkin and Letang are up for deals next season, so one probably goes.

Were I Pitt's GM, I'd move Malkin, who would bring a much better return that Letang. And I'd move him to Florida for this return:

2014 1st
2015 1st
Huberdeau
Markstrom
Weiss

Now, most team's wouldn't make that deal, even for a player as great (most years) as Malkin. But I think Florida would. Here's why:

This year, season tix started at $7/game ($168) with a free jersey (~$100), which works out to roughly $2.83 per game. The team just cannot draw.

Evgeni Malkin is a marquee name. He's the guy you can put on a billboard on the highway and people will come to see him (imagine miniature Gretzky to LA). As a hockey trade, no GM would trade that amount for him. But with enough pressure, ownership would realize that Evgeni Malkin would be a huge marketing tool, and may tell their GM to get him no matter what the cost. Pittsburgh gets a young 1st line winger, a top rated young goalie, a good center, and 2 1st rounders. Florida gets one of the game's top superstars and a huge marketing tool.

I know it probably sounds crazy, but just wanted to throw it out there.
- jmatchett383

I think from a business perspective, it makes sense.

However, I'd be surprised if Dale Tallon pulled the trigger on something like this.

I agree that Pittsburgh trading Malkin would get them a huge haul.

This is true, but the one thing I'll say about that is this: "We," as in the overall fanbase and/or the media, aren't exactly guiltless in this regard.

In 2010, Boston gave up the ghost to the Flyers in a fashion that has only been done three times in NHL history.

If that had happened in Philadelphia, fans would've stormed Claude Julien's house with torches and pitchforks. Peter Chiarelli, too.

We can't even pretend that wouldn't be the case, because Peter Laviolette -- who has accomplished just as much in his coaching career as Claude Julien now, and had done more than Claude Julien as of 2010...the majority of us want him fired.


We want Paul Holmgren fired.

We believe Scott Hartnell, who has averaged 25-ish goals for his Flyers career, should be traded.

We want Braydon Coburn, who is clearly a Top 4 defenseman with a great cap hit for that role, traded.

As a whole, there have been so many times where the fanbase or media just can't be just patient enough to let any particular set of Flyers key players to fail, grow and succeed together.

Ilya Bryzgalov wasn't wrong when he said that the Philadelphia media, for example, is always looking for a scapegoat and that it's usually the goalie.

Does that mean that Peter Laviolette and Paul Holmgren and Bob Clarke and Ken Hitchcock and John Stevens, etc., are blameless? Of course not. When you don't win, there should always be introspection.

But introspection...it doesn't always have to be firings or trades. Claude Julien didn't get gassed in 2010, got to come back in 2011 and win.

On the other hand, the Peter Laviolette deathwatch is on after one missed season of the playoffs, in a shortened season, when the guy posted a 103-point season just last year.

Philadelphia..it's tough. At times, I don't know if we, as a fanbase, have the patience it requires to win.
- AllInForFlyers

Well said Sir, I agree 100%

but you already knew that.
- mayorofangrytown

Anyone who follows these threads should know that. All it takes is years watching hockey boards.

I think from a business perspective, it makes sense.

However, I'd be surprised if Dale Tallon pulled the trigger on something like this.

I agree that Pittsburgh trading Malkin would get them a huge haul.
- johndewar

That's the thing; the GM, from a pure roster perspective, would never make that trade, even for a player like Malkin. It would be partial hockey trade, partial business/financial acquisition.

quit trying to take my place.
- Don'tForgetTocchet

Ok..

*gives nurse outfit back*