I guess us Canuck fans shouldn't complain so much (I never complain ) when Sid and Malkin only score 2 goals in 3 games . They are on pace for 4 in 7 games
- VANTEL

You are just wrong. IF the Canucks made Edler available, which they are unlikely to do, they would have teams lining up with offers for them. This is not my assumption, this is fact. The offers would be at least as good, likely better, than what was offered for either J Johnson, E Johnson, Golioski, etc.
- KB3Point0

Actually, it is your assumption; it is not a fact. Your assumption could be correct...and only then does it become fact. Anyway, Edler has regressed under AV and Bowness. If the Canucks do keep him, perhaps he will reach closer to his potential with some teaching, a better system, and better coaches. Bowness couldn't teach his way out the door -- or did he?

DP

He has many gold stars. Who gave Lou that contract? Who traded Hodjson for 4th liner Kassian? Who trade Grabner and a 1st for Ballard? Most overrated gm in the league. He just inherited a burke and nonis built team and couldn't make them better. Jason Garrsion 5 year contract after 1 good season?
- Allstarzz

Guy ended up being the team's best D this year—yeah, that's a horrible move...

And since Kassian played part of the season on the 4th line that's automatically his career ceiling...

At least mask the blatant trolling a little bit...

Guy ended up being the team's best D this year—yeah, that's a horrible move...

And since Kassian played part of the season on the 4th line that's automatically his career ceiling...

At least mask the blatant trolling a little bit...
- Fosco

I like Kassian and think he makes this team better. He is hard to move off the puck and am looking for future years with this kid. I know you like him too.

thoughts?
- IanEsplen

Nice to read a story about a player that is not on everyone's radar. Sounds like he's not the biggest kid, but has been playing against older competition and excelling for the past few years, should help him down the road, even if he doesn't get drafted this year.

You guys are overvaluing your own players like Oiler fans do.

Let me give you some facts. I'll take one Regehr over two Edlers. Regehr is a physical, bruising, tough, sound, playoff d-man. Edler makes mistakes, is a wuss, and is not built of the playoffs.

Jack Johnson is a whole different story. For whatever reason, the guy was always hyped up to be something that he'll never be. He was probably the most overrated player for a few seasons leading up the trade.
- RedwingsAreKHL

You are so out to lunch on everything here

I believe either Bob Mac or one of the TSN crew mentioned it at the time he was traded to Vancouver that he was looking for a deal somewhere in that range. I can't recall the actual quote however.
- DariusKnight

I think his value has declined since then. I know silly money gets thrown out there for UFAs but with the cap going down I'd be surprised if he got anything more than what he was on ($4m per).

You guys are overvaluing your own players like Oiler fans do.

Let me give you some facts. I'll take one Regehr over two Edlers. Regehr is a physical, bruising, tough, sound, playoff d-man. Edler makes mistakes, is a wuss, and is not built of the playoffs.

Jack Johnson is a whole different story. For whatever reason, the guy was always hyped up to be something that he'll never be. He was probably the most overrated player for a few seasons leading up the trade.
- RedwingsAreKHL

That's like saying you'd take one Edler over two doughty's. Just moronic.

I think his value has declined since then. I know silly money gets thrown out there for UFAs but with the cap going down I'd be surprised if he got anything more than what he was on ($4m per).
- AlexF

Roy is a 3.5-4m $ guy, and at a number like that any GM would be happy to have him.

I was wondering what some players would be worth if you retained a portion of their salary. Booth must be worth a late first, early second, if his cap number was 3-3.25 a year.

What do you all think?

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Roy is a 3.5-4m $ guy, and at a number like that any GM would be happy to have him.

I was wondering what some players would be worth if you retained a portion of their salary. Booth must be worth a late first, early second, if his cap number was 3-3.25 a year.

What do you all think?
- Gullzy

Roy was a complete non-entity for us (especially in the playoffs) so I'm not sure if I'd be happy to have him at $4m, or at all in fact. Maybe with a different coach he could be better but I'd prefer we go in a different direction.

I think Booth has been injured too long for anyone to take a gamble on him right now. We're stuck with him. Hopefully he gets healthy and our new coach can bring out his best, which is actually pretty good.

so much for Gillis Hitting RESET ........yawnz

this is where I started laughing:

Cost, maybe you could pry him out of there in a hockey trade of some sort for a Tanev or Ballard.

Actually, it is your assumption; it is not a fact. Your assumption could be correct...and only then does it become fact. Anyway, Edler has regressed under AV and Bowness. If the Canucks do keep him, perhaps he will reach closer to his potential with some teaching, a better system, and better coaches. Bowness couldn't teach his way out the door -- or did he?
- rdfred

my personal opinion watching him is that it's a motivation and desire issue. When he hits, he's devastating, but it only happens once every few games. His physical game doesn't come out often enough

he could be a top 2 defenseman if he was more consistent. I'd say he's a top 4, but only a top 2 on teams without defensive depth. Still valuable, but frustrating because he shows moments where he's so much better.

You are so or to lunch on everything here
- Fosco

agree with you. There's no way Regher is even close in value to Edler at this stage of his career. Edler's more mobile, more offensive and younger. Clearly more valuable, Regher is a veteran plug at this point.

You see MacT's comments this morning Morris? Not all that surprising that's his thinking but surprising to hear out loud.

MacTavish on Hemsky, Horcoff: "Ideal scenario would be to move them on and wish them the best."
- AlexF

That is a little surprising.

I know he'd talked to them and both (all three) parties expressed there was a bit of a rut going.

I really think if you asked Horcs whether he'd rather try to turn over a new leaf and stay here or call it quits, he'd pick staying in Edmonton. I have no idea what's going through Hemsky's head though. I think it's pretty clear this will come to a head, and at the very least it's probably the end of Horcoff's run as captain.

Actually, it is your assumption; it is not a fact. Your assumption could be correct...and only then does it become fact. Anyway, Edler has regressed under AV and Bowness. If the Canucks do keep him, perhaps he will reach closer to his potential with some teaching, a better system, and better coaches. Bowness couldn't teach his way out the door -- or did he?
- rdfred

The Oilers are going to (frank) up and simply buy out Horcoff while having no replacement for him whatsoever and he's going to ply his trail either in his native BC or his wife's native Michigan.

You can have him at 2.25 a year while the Oilers don't win a faceoff all year.
- Morris

Hello me from earlier this morning!

Actually, it is your assumption; it is not a fact. Your assumption could be correct...and only then does it become fact. Anyway, Edler has regressed under AV and Bowness. If the Canucks do keep him, perhaps he will reach closer to his potential with some teaching, a better system, and better coaches. Bowness couldn't teach his way out the door -- or did he?
- rdfred

It is what has been reported from too many sources to count, with those sources coming from all over the NHL. It is a fact that if Alex Edler were to be made available there would be multiple teams lining up for a shot to trade for him.

Edler never even came close to reaching his potential under the incompetent coaching of AV. That doesn't mean he isn't an excellent player, it just means he can be even better. That's why the Canucks don't want to trade him. They feel that under a good coach, like John Stevens, he could hit his potential. That would put him into the true "elite number one defenceman" territory.

Roy is a 3.5-4m $ guy, and at a number like that any GM would be happy to have him.

I was wondering what some players would be worth if you retained a portion of their salary. Booth must be worth a late first, early second, if his cap number was 3-3.25 a year.

What do you all think?
- Gullzy

You're undervaluing Roy based on his play in Vancouver. He was not put in a position to succeed here by AV. He was used in the wrong role and didn't produce. He'll easily get $4M+, probably even $5M if all he cares about is money and not where he plays.

You're also undervaluing Booth based on a partial season a year ago and a few crappy games this past year. You have to completely write off this past season. He was injured, had no pre-season, no training camp, hadn't played in almost a year, and then had another injury. His biggest problem was that he spent too much time hunting and not enough time preparing for the year. Players often get traded part way through one season and don't produce until the next. Look at Jeff Carter (and no, I am not comparing the two).

Booth is worth more to the Canucks than what you'll get in return, but if they did decide they needed the cap space, why would they keep cap hit in a trade? Defeats the point of trading him.

so much for Gillis Hitting RESET ........yawnz
- Canuckfan2006

Maybe he meant snooze button

How is John Stevens getting all this favorable pub?

Hate it when the local media's flavor of the week becomes everyone's dream hire.

You're undervaluing Roy based on his play in Vancouver. He was not put in a position to succeed here by AV. He was used in the wrong role and didn't produce. He'll easily get $4M+, probably even $5M if all he cares about is money and not where he plays.

You're also undervaluing Booth based on a partial season a year ago and a few crappy games this past year. You have to completely write off this past season. He was injured, had no pre-season, no training camp, hadn't played in almost a year, and then had another injury. His biggest problem was that he spent too much time hunting and not enough time preparing for the year. Players often get traded part way through one season and don't produce until the next. Look at Jeff Carter (and no, I am not comparing the two).

Booth is worth more to the Canucks than what you'll get in return, but if they did decide they needed the cap space, why would they keep cap hit in a trade? Defeats the point of trading him.
- KB3Point0

If we can have booth picked up on waivers for me hes gone. way rather use that cash to try and land bickell or just general flexibility.

You're undervaluing Roy based on his play in Vancouver. He was not put in a position to succeed here by AV. He was used in the wrong role and didn't produce. He'll easily get $4M+, probably even $5M if all he cares about is money and not where he plays.

You're also undervaluing Booth based on a partial season a year ago and a few crappy games this past year. You have to completely write off this past season. He was injured, had no pre-season, no training camp, hadn't played in almost a year, and then had another injury. His biggest problem was that he spent too much time hunting and not enough time preparing for the year. Players often get traded part way through one season and don't produce until the next. Look at Jeff Carter (and no, I am not comparing the two).

Booth is worth more to the Canucks than what you'll get in return, but if they did decide they needed the cap space, why would they keep cap hit in a trade? Defeats the point of trading him.
- KB3Point0

Sorry, Roy was brutal in Vancouver - and it was his own doing. I agree AV needed to go but he did not deserve all the blame. A player who is apparently seeking 6 mil a season should be able to perform in the role he was given. He was terrible.

I'd be happy with a buyout on Booth. Not worth the money. Downward trending for a while now and he seems more interested in hunting than playing hockey.