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1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jun 6 @ 12:17 PM ET
youre missing out...its a goodie
- LetsGoIsles


Yeah, but we have some pretty good courses out on the Left coast as well
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 6 @ 12:19 PM ET
I assure you it will, unless he's getting top6 minutes, which he's not even close to ready for—he's not even close to ready for 3rd line duty in the NHL.

He won't get confidence playing under 8 minutes a night with Sestito.

He will get confidence as the captain of an OHL team, playing crucial minutes, dominating the competition at both ends of the ice, and scoring at a high pace.

- Fosco

I disagree with you for several reasons, I don't see him as a top six player in the NHL, maybe later in his career. He needs to learn the NHL game, will he score less, sure. But that doesn't mean his game has stalled.

Anyways I'll just agree to disagree.
KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Jun 6 @ 12:19 PM ET
I feel like you're selling yourselves short a bit, with all the teams looking to reach the cap floor.

I think you could quite easily trade Booth + 4th for a 4th and a 5th say

- Morris


Booth is worth a whole lot more than a 5th. The Canucks fully plan to keep him. They'll only trade him if they receive real value for him.
LetsGoIsles
New York Islanders
Location: I'll wait till Halak signs elsewhere and then you can go eat a d!ck- JMO16
Joined: 01.26.2011

Jun 6 @ 12:20 PM ET
Yeah, but we have some pretty good courses out on the Left coast as well
- 1970vintage





i was responding to your comment...im not arguing or looking to get into a mine-is-bigger-than-yours debate.
KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Jun 6 @ 12:21 PM ET
Don't kid yourself, it will be Higgins/Kesler/Kassian to start the season...

Because Booth will still not have recovered from ankle surgery.

- 1970vintage


As long as Booth focuses on rehab and training this summer and not hunting, he'll be ready to line up next to Kesler and Kassian.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 6 @ 12:21 PM ET
Don't kid yourself, it will be Higgins/Kesler/Kassian to start the season...

Because Booth will still not have recovered from ankle surgery.

- 1970vintage



New thinking, hopefully, from new coaching staff!
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Jun 6 @ 12:22 PM ET
How about Ballard + Van 6th round pick for Edmonton 7th round pick?
- 1970vintage

Right now while Belanger and Eager still need to be moved and Gagner re-signed? probably not. But you can tell from my other posts that that's a bargain-basement price and something worth considering once they make some other moves.

Then again, without being able to send back salary, teams may just call Vancouver's bluff and wait for Ballard to be bought out.
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Jun 6 @ 12:22 PM ET
Booth is worth a whole lot more than a 5th. The Canucks fully plan to keep him. They'll only trade him if they receive real value for him.
- KB3Point0

Ooops, I meant Ballard. Brainfart.
allen_gamble
Joined: 04.05.2012

Jun 6 @ 12:25 PM ET
3rd line LW is Higgins job, he's good there and I don't see him in the top six.
- LeftCoaster

I didnt either. I dont see him making the team except for the fact that he would be cheap. More like if we were still having cap issues type idea. Him on the 3rd, higgins on 2nd kinda idea is what i was thinking. I prefer him in jr.
IanEsplen
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 11.22.2011

Jun 6 @ 12:27 PM ET
How about Ballard + Van 6th round pick for Edmonton 7th round pick?
- 1970vintage


Talked with Canes blogger today. He said he'd give us a 4th rd pick for Ballard.

let's take that and run


But seriously, if one person out there is thinking of trading for Ballard there is bound to be others.
KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Jun 6 @ 12:27 PM ET
Ooops, I meant Ballard. Brainfart.
- Morris


If I was a team in need of a good skating, medium risk / medium reward, defenceman and I had the cap space, I would trade a 4th for Ballard. Could probably get him for a 7th though.
KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Jun 6 @ 12:28 PM ET
Talked with Canes blogger today. He said he'd give us a 4th rd pick for Ballard.

let's take that and run


But seriously, if one person out there is thinking of trading for Ballard there is bound to be others.

- IanEsplen


Funny, I just posted I thought Ballard was worth a 4th to the right team.
allen_gamble
Joined: 04.05.2012

Jun 6 @ 12:28 PM ET
How about Ballard + Van 6th round pick for Edmonton 7th round pick?
- 1970vintage


I could see a team like the preds, canes or NYI needing a veteran Dman that they can kind of move around the line up.
Fosco
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Marwood's Beotch, BC
Joined: 12.08.2007

Jun 6 @ 12:34 PM ET
I disagree with you for several reasons, I don't see him as a top six player in the NHL, maybe later in his career. He needs to learn the NHL game, will he score less, sure. But that doesn't mean his game has stalled.

Anyways I'll just agree to disagree.

- LeftCoaster


Sounds like what was said about Kesler and Burrows....

But they were given ample time in the lower leagues before they were even given a bottom6 spot on an NHL roster.

You don't base a development plan strictly on a projection—you base it on the fact that he's not ready for the NHL, and he's too young for the AHL. That leaves one option...

There's a very good chance that Gaunce tops out as a 3C, but if there's any chance he can take the next step offensively, I would prefer they give him the time he needs to find out. The OHL is an offensive league, and that's what he needs to work on.

There are countless examples of players who were projected to be bottom6 players who ended up being very good top6ers.

The Canucks will have an infusion of youth this year—there's no need to rush Gaunce just so they can add one more.
RF_4eva
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Fosco's son, BC
Joined: 09.11.2012

Jun 6 @ 12:37 PM ET
George Karl just got fired... He could help our offence and was coach of the year
RF_4eva
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Fosco's son, BC
Joined: 09.11.2012

Jun 6 @ 12:43 PM ET
If bruins sweep the pens, do you think bylsma will get fired?
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jun 6 @ 12:45 PM ET


i was responding to your comment...im not arguing or looking to get into a mine-is-bigger-than-yours debate.

- LetsGoIsles


Nor was I, its all good
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 6 @ 12:46 PM ET
Not a chance, he wants 6 mil+ a season and to be on the top-6
- DariusKnight


I hope someone clarifies with him what currency he means?
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jun 6 @ 12:48 PM ET


New thinking, hopefully, from new coaching staff!

- LeftCoaster


Don't get me wrong, I'm hopeful a new staff will make progress, but based on the past, my expectation of "Bold Moves" will be that Gillis switches to Hellmann's Light for his roast beef sandwich.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jun 6 @ 12:50 PM ET
Talked with Canes blogger today. He said he'd give us a 4th rd pick for Ballard.

let's take that and run


But seriously, if one person out there is thinking of trading for Ballard there is bound to be others.

- IanEsplen


If that deal was on the table I would be ecstatic, as a fan.
RF_4eva
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Fosco's son, BC
Joined: 09.11.2012

Jun 6 @ 12:51 PM ET
I don't care for your writing as it lacks any sense of objectivity.
- gzatron

Hello Mr. IDontRespondToTheTruth
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jun 6 @ 12:55 PM ET
I never related spending to winning. You're just being argumentative.

But while you're at it, yes, teams who win the Stanley Cup do spend to the cap.

- KB3Point0



Nope just pointing out that you are treating Buffalo like a 2nd class organization when in fact both of the teams we root for are in the same class as they're both 0-43.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 6 @ 1:01 PM ET
Sounds like what was said about Kesler and Burrows....

But they were given ample time in the lower leagues before they were even given a bottom6 spot on an NHL roster.

You don't base a development plan strictly on a projection—you base it on the fact that he's not ready for the NHL, and he's too young for the AHL. That leaves one option...

There's a very good chance that Gaunce tops out as a 3C, but if there's any chance he can take the next step offensively, I would prefer they give him the time he needs to find out. The OHL is an offensive league, and that's what he needs to work on.

There are countless examples of players who were projected to be bottom6 players who ended up being very good top6ers.

The Canucks will have an infusion of youth this year—there's no need to rush Gaunce just so they can add one more.

- Fosco


He's not Kesler or Burrows, he's Brendan Gaunce. If you're going to compare him to either of those two its Kesler, both first round choices. Difference is, Kesler is a tremendous skater. Gaunce is more mature than Kesler as a 19 year old, he's physically more mature\ready, different kettle of fish.

Anyways if he shows that he belongs then you play him, if he doesn't you send him back to junior. I think it's foolish to just arbitrarily say he's not ready. People were shocked when Ryan OReilly made the NHL as an 18 year old, he's doin ok! BTW didn't Kesler play as a 19 year old?
KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Jun 6 @ 1:02 PM ET
If bruins sweep the pens, do you think bylsma will get fired?
- RF_4eva


Unlikely, but too many factors to know for sure. Their team is built wrong to win the Stanley Cup. They aren't good enough defensively and their goaltending... well, you know.

They have a solid group of forwards, but the addition of Morrow, Iginla and Murray hurt them. Adding one of them might have helped, but adding all of them has just served to make the Penguins slower. They don't have the defense or goaltending to play a slow game. They need uptempo speed and offense.

But Bylsma could always get fired by the GM trying to cover his own mistakes...
IanEsplen
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 11.22.2011

Jun 6 @ 1:05 PM ET
I don't care for your writing as it lacks any sense of objectivity.
- gzatron


Did you actually click the link and read the story?

If you haven't checked it out read up on Jamal Watson. He could turnout to be a steal for someone on June 30th.
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