Today? Probably only Mark Fraser. He's just as big, just as mean, but younger and much more mobile.

Komisarek, Allen and Hamrlik in their formative years had much stronger claims to being legit top-4 dmen than Grossmann since they all had more well-rounded games.

Grossmann is one-dimensional... what he does he does really well... but there's nothing else there.
- Tomahawk

Isn't Mcbain also one-dimensional, just towards the offensive side? From what I've read, there are serious issues with his defensive game (which, admittedly, could improve over time).

K, I'll give ya that. Grossmann is one dimensional and is very good at what he does. And yes we need a puck moving D-man. Problem is Grossmann eats a ton of our hardest defensive minutes. I take a LONG HARD look at who you are getting back if he's included in a trade. We better have someone coming in who is just as good or better to eat that time. You trade Mez or forwards for that young mobile D-man who has yet to make a name for themselves.
- FlyersGrace

Yup, but don't we have Schenn and Coburn to take a lot of those heavy minutes? And the Great Dane is in the pipeline, too. Guys like Lydman and Scuderi are UFA's... Tallinder and Volchenkov could be as well after COB.

It would be dealing from an area of apparent strength to fill an area of need, assuming Carolina would even be interested in Grossmann in the first place.

Nittymaki is back... as a scout.

amazing.... as sucky as the flyers have been the Pitts fans really hate the flyers

Isn't Mcbain also one-dimensional, just towards the offensive side? From what I've read, there are serious issues with his defensive game (which, admittedly, could improve over time).
- jmatchett383

He was touted as a two-way guy coming up, and he was that for the first 100-120 games of his NHL career, but he's fallen short since then and Muller's really soured on him. Him rounding out his offensive game is definitely less of a long shot than expecting Luke Schenn pull a Zdeno Chara offensively.

amazing.... as sucky as the flyers have been the Pitts fans really hate the flyers
- vejim

Yep - familiarity breeds contempt.
Don't worry Vejim, we've got your back

He was touted as a two-way guy coming up, and he was that for the first 100-120 games of his NHL career, but he's fallen short since then and Muller's really soured on him. Him rounding out his offensive game is definitely less of a long shot than expecting Luke Schenn pull a Zdeno Chara offensively.
- Tomahawk

Luke Schenn wasn't brought in with the expectation of equaling Chara in how he developed an offensive game.

Yep - familiarity breeds contempt.
Don't worry Vejim, we've got your back
- FlyersGrace

not a pens fan here but thanks

He was touted as a two-way guy coming up, and he was that for the first 100-120 games of his NHL career, but he's fallen short since then and Muller's really soured on him. Him rounding out his offensive game is definitely less of a long shot than expecting Luke Schenn pull a Zdeno Chara offensively.
- Tomahawk

I like your premise but not your price tag.

I like your premise but not your price tag.
- mayorofangrytown

It's all about the price tag. Definitely worth taking a chance on a player like McBain for the right price.

Yup, but don't we have Schenn and Coburn to take a lot of those heavy minutes? And the Great Dane is in the pipeline, too. Guys like Lydman and Scuderi are UFA's... Tallinder and Volchenkov could be as well after COB.

It would be dealing from an area of apparent strength to fill an area of need, assuming Carolina would even be interested in Grossmann in the first place.
- Tomahawk

I hesitate to truly count on the Great Dane quite yet. As thrilling as his first shift in the NHL was. And he did seem to grow more confident the more he played.
I won't mind seeing more of him but I'm not saving him a seat in the top 6. Send him to the AHL and give him some monster minutes...
Until Homer makes some definitive moves in the off season I'd rather hang onto all our solid D I know can show up each and every night. I guess that's what I like about Grossmann is his consistent reliability. Coburn can be really good or really bad, Timmonen is damn smart but losing his speed and thus increasing his penalties... To keep him fresh you have to limit his minutes. Schenn has been a very nice surprise and with some more seasoning he's gonna be really, really good. I think Gus makes a name for himself next season. And Mez, man, he's a damn fine player when healthy... That's just a big IF...
Just not seeing that position of strength

not a pens fan here but thanks
- vejim

Not what I was implying. Meant we had your back to go beat up on the Pens fans should you need it...

Not what I was implying. Meant we had your back to go beat up on the Pens fans should you need it...
- FlyersGrace

Pens fans are eating their own. Leafs fans are trolling. We aren't needed.

Pens fans are eating their own. Leafs fans are trolling. We aren't needed.

- mayorofangrytown

Yeah more joy to them then... Good to know.

Not what I was implying. Meant we had your back to go beat up on the Pens fans should you need it...
- FlyersGrace

I knew you were a good woman

I knew you were a good woman
- vejim

Her name isn't Grace ya know... Very disappointing.

Her name isn't Grace ya know... Very disappointing.
- mayorofangrytown

is her name Hope?

amazing.... as sucky as the flyers have been the Pitts fans really hate the flyers
- vejim

I have found that those from the meth-addled portion of Pennsylvania with the family trees that don't branch do not care for the Southeastern part of Pennsylvania no matter what sport/endeavor.

Her name isn't Grace ya know... Very disappointing.
- mayorofangrytown

BAH! It's a play off an old nickname.
My friends used to call me Feral Grace because of the violent way I used to dance.... A combination of ballet, belly dancing, and multiple martial arts styles.
The true irony is that a girl named Grace broke my leg,
FlyersGrace just worked from that. So yeah he's right not my real name. And strangely enough not Hope either

BAH! It's a play off an old nickname.
My friends used to call me Feral Grace because of the violent way I used to dance.... A combination of ballet, belly dancing, and multiple martial arts styles.
The true irony is that a girl named Grace broke my leg,
FlyersGrace just worked from that. So yeah he's right not my real name. And strangely enough not Hope either
- FlyersGrace

Faith?

Faith?
- vejim

lmao, nope. Although I do have some friends who are three girls named, Faith, Hope and Grace...
EDIT: and we sooo aren't gonna touch Chastity....

lmao, nope. Although I do have some friends who are three girls named, Faith, Hope and Grace...
- FlyersGrace

do you call them The Trinity?

or Tri-Force?

is her name Hope?
- vejim

No idea. It's all super secret. If we find out her name or see pictures of her fighting with a sword she'll be forcibly expelled from the Cabal she works at.

(I think she's Yakuza but I have nothing to back it up)

do you call them The Trinity?

or Tri-Force?
- Crimsoninja

We don't. Although that's pretty good I might have to use it. I never see them together just Faith mostly...

My friends used to call me Feral Grace because of the violent way I used to dance.... A combination of ballet, belly dancing, and multiple martial arts styles.
The true irony is that a girl named Grace broke my leg,
- FlyersGrace

We need to think about closing our borders to Delaware before lives are lost.