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Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 5 @ 10:19 PM ET
According to you it is and I agree...our opinions don't drive the market up, NHL gms do. They will pay 7 for letang.
- Philly1980


If the cap increases $4mm or so when he hits UFA, I'd feel totally safe in predicting $7.5mm or more. He's far from a bad player. I just think he gets overrated. If it's between him and a guy like Keith, if they're at the same $, I'd take Keith every time
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 5 @ 10:19 PM ET
Mike Green was a Norris finalist. The biggest issue is that he has lapses and sometimes makes mind numbingly bad decisions in his own end. Everyone has brain farts, for Letang they happen more than they should with an elite defensemen.
- Jsaquella


The Norris is weighted to the offensive side. When you score 30 goals and 70 pts as a defenseman, that draws a lot of attention. I don't think Letang is by any means a stellar defender. But I don't think he's a slouch either. I'll agree to disagree.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jun 5 @ 10:21 PM ET
The Pens would like to sign him but they have Crosby and Malkin. Not sure they have the cap space to keep three guys at that price (7M and up).
- stveshdy


There's the issue with the salary cap and inflated salaries. One player's salary taking up ~10% of the cap is a problem.


Wow...that was a very soft call on Murray. I didn't see crap.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 5 @ 10:21 PM ET
If the cap increases $4mm or so when he hits UFA, I'd feel totally safe in predicting $7.5mm or more. He's far from a bad player. I just think he gets overrated. If it's between him and a guy like Keith, if they're at the same $, I'd take Keith every time
- Jsaquella


I could be wrong b/c it does happen but I think Letang is a stud. There aren't any guys who are like Weber (maybe Chara).
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 5 @ 10:22 PM ET
Mike Green was a Norris finalist. The biggest issue is that he has lapses and sometimes makes mind numbingly bad decisions in his own end. Everyone has brain farts, for Letang they happen more than they should with an elite defensemen.
- Jsaquella



To be fair though, the handful of guys with the skill level of Green and Letang that are out there are given far more leash from their coaches because they are so good at making plays... whereas teammates like Engelland or Erskine would have their careers ended if they tried that stuff even once.

But yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they ended up letting Letang walk after next year... he's going to make Brian Campbell look like he's been underpaid.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 5 @ 10:22 PM ET
I could be wrong b/c it does happen but I think Letang is a stud. There aren't any guys who are like Weber (maybe Chara).
- stveshdy


There's not many guys like Weber. And offensively, Letang is a stud.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 5 @ 10:23 PM ET
The Pens would like to sign him but they have Crosby and Malkin. Not sure they have the cap space to keep three guys at that price (7M and up).
- stveshdy


Like all top teams, they're going to be faced with some tough decisions. Need to have defenseman like Letang in today's game.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 5 @ 10:24 PM ET
There's not many guys like Weber. And offensively, Letang is a stud.
- Jsaquella


Where do you rate his defensive game?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 5 @ 10:25 PM ET
To be fair though, the handful of guys with the skill level of Green and Letang that are out there are given far more leash from their coaches because they are so good at making plays... whereas teammates like Engelland or Erskine would have their careers ended if they tried that stuff even once.

But yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they ended up letting Letang walk after next year... he's going to make Brian Campbell look like he's been underpaid.

- Tomahawk


That's really my big issue with bringing Letang in...he's going to get a massive contract. One that I doubt he'd be worth. It's not that he's bad, but he's basically a better version of Mike Green, IMO.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 5 @ 10:25 PM ET
Like all top teams, they're going to be faced with some tough decisions. Need to have defenseman like Letang in today's game.
- MJL


I would like to have Letang but I don't see it being an option for the Flyers.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 5 @ 10:26 PM ET
There's the issue with the salary cap and inflated salaries. One player's salary taking up ~10% of the cap is a problem.


Wow...that was a very soft call on Murray. I didn't see crap.

- wolfhounds


It's worse now that you can't have back diving deals to lower the Cap. For example, if you take away the last 3 years of Weber's deal at 1M each, put in there to lower the Cap hit, his Cap hit would be 9.7M. Do the same for Suter, and his cap hit is 8.7.

Bottom line, 7M for Letang would be a very good deal.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 5 @ 10:27 PM ET
Where do you rate his defensive game?
- stveshdy


Just saw Letang make 3 straight very strong plays to defend rushes. Two of them on the PK.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 5 @ 10:29 PM ET
Where do you rate his defensive game?
- stveshdy


At his best? Average to slightly above. My issue is mainly that he gets taken off his game too easily and when that happens, his decision making gets really questionable
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 5 @ 10:29 PM ET
I would like to have Letang but I don't see it being an option for the Flyers.
- stveshdy


Who knows. Next off season is a long ways away.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 5 @ 10:29 PM ET
Just saw Letang make 3 straight very strong plays to defend rushes. Two of them on the PK.
- MJL


I think Letang is legit. I have no problems with his game. He can be too aggressive and make mistakes in his own end but all around he's solid.
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jun 5 @ 10:29 PM ET
I would like to have Letang but I don't see it being an option for the Flyers.
- stveshdy

Why not when kimmo retires that will open up 6mill
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jun 5 @ 10:29 PM ET
Nice shoulder to head hit from Engelland.

Bruins PP needs to wake up.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 5 @ 10:29 PM ET
Just saw Letang make 3 straight very strong plays to defend rushes. Two of them on the PK.
- MJL


He made a very good play on Jagr at the blue line.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 5 @ 10:30 PM ET
Where do you rate his defensive game?
- stveshdy


He's no Andy Delmore or MA Bergeron... he's adequate... I actually think Mike Green is better defensively, despite all the sh*t he gets.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 5 @ 10:31 PM ET
At his best? Average to slightly above. My issue is mainly that he gets taken off his game too easily and when that happens, his decision making gets really questionable
- Jsaquella


Fair enough. Everybody see's things differently. I can understand your opinion.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 5 @ 10:32 PM ET
Why not when kimmo retires that will open up 6mill
- Philly1980


Have others to sign. I hope I'm wrong but will see.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jun 5 @ 10:32 PM ET
The PowerPlay is killing momentum for the Bruins...it's just f'n horrible.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 5 @ 10:33 PM ET
He's no Andy Delmore or MA Bergeron... he's adequate... I actually think Mike Green is better defensively, despite all the sh*t he gets.
- Tomahawk


The Pens are a completely different team when they don't have Letang in the lineup. He brings so much to the team. However, I do think they trade him or let him walk.
FlyerMike18
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.07.2009

Jun 5 @ 10:34 PM ET
say tallon called holmgren shopping campbell....would anyone want him? what's the most you'd pay?
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 5 @ 10:35 PM ET
say tallon called holmgren shopping campbell....would anyone want him? what's the most you'd pay?
- FlyerMike18


Bryzgalov.
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