Gun to my head, I would take Orpik over Letang...
- dingo8urbaby

why?

He's had more than one bad series. He was atrocious against the Flyers last year, too. I'm well aware of Letang's level of play. There's quite a few Pens bloggers & fans who know their stuff that have said the same things I'm saying. Such as there's no way they'd sign him for $7mm+ a year.
- Jsaquella

That's a lot of coin. I would have to see who else makes that kind of money.

I'd have to think about it, but good call.

First and foremost a d-man should be good at keeping the puck out of his own net.
- flyer_nutter

Exactly!

He's had more than one bad series. He was atrocious against the Flyers last year, too. I'm well aware of Letang's level of play. There's quite a few Pens bloggers & fans who know their stuff that have said the same things I'm saying. Such as there's no way they'd sign him for $7mm+ a year.
- Jsaquella

He was far from the only player who didn't play well in that series.

Same could be said for Malkin Crosby iginla... That whole team is making boneheaded plays. Doesn't mean they are going to be like that for the rest of their careers
- Philly1980

Crosby's played uncharacteristically bad, but even against the Flyers last year he was scoring points and a threat. Letang was a liability then and he's been one in this series, as well.

He's had more than one bad series. He was atrocious against the Flyers last year, too. I'm well aware of Letang's level of play. There's quite a few Pens bloggers & fans who know their stuff that have said the same things I'm saying. Such as there's no way they'd sign him for $7mm+ a year.
- Jsaquella

You have a 100 yr old kimmo making 6... 7 isn't out of the question in 2014 when the cap will likely be 72-75

Same could be said for Malkin Crosby iginla... That whole team is making boneheaded plays. Doesn't mean they are going to be like that for the rest of their careers
- Philly1980

Personally I am loving it.

Malkin is just another Russian who has a poop load of talent, but is inconsistent as hell and bad defensively.

Crosby just really doesnt seem to be the same player, the injuries seem to have taken a toll. He does get a lot of little cheap shots out there though.

Iginla just looks like a step behind and Fleury is falling apart mentally. Loving every minute of it.

I know what the Flyers need. I'm saying who I like better. It's not even close for me...
- dingo8urbaby

Orpik is a good defenseman no question about it.

He was far from the only player who didn't play well in that series.
- MJL

There's absolutely no place that I said he was. That's completely irrelevant.

Crosby's played uncharacteristically bad, but even against the Flyers last year he was scoring points and a threat. Letang was a liability then and he's been one in this series, as well.
- Jsaquella

Not that much... It was Staals line that was lighting us up.

You have a 100 yr old kimmo making 6... 7 isn't out of the question in 2014 when the cap will likely be 72-75
- Philly1980

Kimmo is a better two way defenseman than Letang.

Crosby's played uncharacteristically bad, but even against the Flyers last year he was scoring points and a threat. Letang was a liability then and he's been one in this series, as well.
- Jsaquella

Letang had 5 points in 6 games and was a -1 in the Series against the Flyers last year.

Orpik is a good defenseman no question about it.
- stveshdy

I agree. Must be those weird, wide eyes he has. The guy looks like he sees everything...

On practicum this week but just saw that play with Carter/Keith.

Cherry actually had a good shot of it on HNIC. Carter should have got a game too if Keith did, wussy slashed his bare hand directly when he was reaching to pick up his glove.
- flyer_nutter

Exactly.

Not that much... It was Staals line that was lighting us up.
- Philly1980

Crosby had 8 points in 6 games.

Kimmo is a better two way defenseman than Letang.
- Jsaquella

Timonen is still one of the best imo at breaking up 2 on 1's.

A guy like Edler imo, wont even come close to what Timonen was in his prime, and on some nights now.

I agree. Must be those weird, wide eyes he has. The guy looks like he sees everything...
- dingo8urbaby

I feel like the Flyers have a similar player in Grossmann.

I can't believe people actually think both plays deserve the same punishment...

Hand or Face come on now... "slash", love tap, richard move carter. There's no waaaay they're on the same level of aggression, or danger. To think what carter did is suspendable is insane and i'd be willing to bet those are the same people who despised him when he was on this team.

The only reason Duncan isn't getting more it's cuz it's the playoffs.

Exactly.
- wolfhounds

You are mistaken. He tried to chop his glove into two. Or was it push it out of the way?

There's absolutely no place that I said he was. That's completely irrelevant.
- Jsaquella

It is relevant, because when a team as a whole plays poorly. And doesn't play a team game, especially in a playoff setting. Defenseman tend to look the worst. I'm not excusing Letang for not playing at the level he's capable of. But he is still one of the best offensive defenseman in the League. This series isn't going to change that.

Don't need a link into Carter's brain. Just need to watch the play. It's clear what he was trying to do. He was trying to sweep Duncan's glove away. Carter isn't a player who would intentionally try and slash a bare hand while a player is reaching for his glove. Have to take the history of the player into consideration.
- MJL

And yet he did... Hell, he didn't even look when he took his little 2-hand chop.

Kimmo is a better two way defenseman than Letang.
- Jsaquella

Better on offense I don't think so?

I can't believe people actually think both plays deserve the same punishment...

Hand or Face come on now... "slash", love tap, richard move carter. There's no waaaay they're on the same level of aggression, or danger. To think what carter did is suspendable is

The only reason Duncan isn't getting more it's cuz it's the playoffs.
- Yosimar89

I just think its a little female dog play personally. Especially after the exchange they had earlier on the play. If Carter was mad, drop the gloves or make a hit. Just me.

I feel like the Flyers have a similar player in Grossmann.
- stveshdy

I feel the Flyers have the same in Grossman, Coburn and Luke Schenn. I'm speaking from my view of the players (Orpik vs. Letang) then what the Flyers need...

Crosby had 8 points in 6 games.
- Jsaquella

3 goals 5a... He should have had 20... The last game he was invisible after the Giroux hit... This series he's been invisible.