you do realize the 24 million would be paid out over the course of 16 years right?

1.5million per season is 1% of the concession stand take for MLSE

you need to look at it in perspective.. to a 1 billion dollar per annum company.. 1.5million is 0.0015% of the income.
- Dozzer

Believe it or not, but millions of dollars still matter to successful businesses.

For spending 24 million dollars on a prospect. No team in the history of North American sports has ever paid 24 million for a rookie.

Actually, it's worse than 24 million, because you have to pay him the full 4.5 that he is entitled to before you buy him out next summer (I've heard that the player has to play a minimum number of games with the club first).

If that's true, then we lose Scrivens on waivers because DiPi is the back-up, then we Sens him to the AHL after he plays his minimum amount of games. Paying 4.5 for a back-up goalie ties our hands in free agency, as well.

So, we pay him 4.5 to sit in the minors, then buy-out his remaining 20.5 million over the next 14 years.

For Strome. A kid who isn't even a top 10 prospect, much less a generational talent.
- Leeman4Gilmour

It's $24 million, but it isn't $24 million.

It's $1.5 milly a year for 16 years.

Which is fine. To be honest, I don't know much about Strome - I simply don't watch junior hockey.

I just support the idea of using MLSEL's financial might to gain advantage.

If others here say Strome is a legit #1 centre, I'm all for it.

Was highly amusing...considering Visentin and Hamilton are sooooooooo poop
- AdamFrench

Still think Visentin will make it, not too shabby with the Pirates but not overly impressive.

I'd love to have Clarkson stay on the NJD, but I have a feeling he's going to get ridiculously over payed. Anything more than 5mil is silly.

Oh my bad
- NYI44

It's okay, he is a really good prospect, nice one, two punch with Tavares up the middle.

For spending 24 million dollars on a prospect. No team in the history of North American sports has ever paid 24 million for a rookie.

Actually, it's worse than 24 million, because you have to pay him the full 4.5 that he is entitled to before you buy him out next summer (I've heard that the player has to play a minimum number of games with the club first).

If that's true, then we lose Scrivens on waivers because DiPi is the back-up, then we Sens him to the AHL after he plays his minimum amount of games. Paying 4.5 for a back-up goalie ties our hands in free agency, as well.

So, we pay him 4.5 to sit in the minors, then buy-out his remaining 20.5 million over the next 14 years.

For Strome. A kid who isn't even a top 10 prospect, much less a generational talent.
- Leeman4Gilmour

And I haven't read anywhere that a guy has to play for you before you can compliance buyout his arse.

I'm not saying you are wrong - just saying I've never seen that.

Heck, nobody has seen the CBA - it isn't even written yet - so it's all speculation at this point.

For spending 24 million dollars on a prospect. No team in the history of North American sports has ever paid 24 million for a rookie.

Actually, it's worse than 24 million, because you have to pay him the full 4.5 that he is entitled to before you buy him out next summer (I've heard that the player has to play a minimum number of games with the club first).

If that's true, then we lose Scrivens on waivers because DiPi is the back-up, then we Sens him to the AHL after he plays his minimum amount of games. Paying 4.5 for a back-up goalie ties our hands in free agency, as well.

So, we pay him 4.5 to sit in the minors, then buy-out his remaining 20.5 million over the next 14 years.

For Strome. A kid who isn't even a top 10 prospect, much less a generational talent.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Take a look at Baseball a little closer... Bidding for the foreign baseball players... Yu Darvish was over 50 million.... many others have been busts

It's okay, he is a really good prospect, nice one, two punch with Tavares up the middle.
- LeafMan

Yeah. Assuming Strome is good, that can be very dangerous

I woud give up Gardiner and a 1st for Strome..... but not include Dipietro.....
I like Strome he is not proven though....
- jribout

Gardiner and a 1st for strome... are you on drugs. Gardiner for Strome is pretty even in a straight up trade when the islanders main concern is defense when strome has not played 1 nhl game

For spending 24 million dollars on a prospect. No team in the history of North American sports has ever paid 24 million for a rookie.

Actually, it's worse than 24 million, because you have to pay him the full 4.5 that he is entitled to before you buy him out next summer (I've heard that the player has to play a minimum number of games with the club first).

If that's true, then we lose Scrivens on waivers because DiPi is the back-up, then we Sens him to the AHL after he plays his minimum amount of games. Paying 4.5 for a back-up goalie ties our hands in free agency, as well.

So, we pay him 4.5 to sit in the minors, then buy-out his remaining 20.5 million over the next 14 years.

For Strome. A kid who isn't even a top 10 prospect, much less a generational talent.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Sorry, one more point: we wouldn't have to lose Scrivens. Ricky DiP is already in the minors - he cleared waivers. He's the one we would send down after training camp. Nobody would claim him.

It's $24 million, but it isn't $24 million.

It's $1.5 milly a year for 16 years.

Which is fine. To be honest, I don't know much about Strome - I simply don't watch junior hockey.

I just support the idea of using MLSEL's financial might to gain advantage.

If others here say Strome is a legit #1 centre, I'm all for it.
- Atomic Wedgie

I'd love to see them squeeze some of these broke teams myself, but I'd shoot a lot higher than Strome.

My guess is that an inflation-adjusted, present value calculation of DiPi's buy-out is something like 14-15 million or so.

That's roughly twice as much as the largest signing bonus in the history of the MLB.

Gardiner and a 1st for strome... are you on drugs. Gardiner for Strome is pretty even in a straight up trade when the islanders main concern is defense when strome has not played 1 nhl game
- Mapleleafs_91

Agree. If we trade Gardiner it will hurt for many years to come.....Why the Frank would we want to trade him?????

It's okay, he is a really good prospect, nice one, two punch with Tavares up the middle.
- LeafMan

Decent for a 20 year old, but he's not Robin Lehner and that's for sure. Now there's a nasty goalie prospect.

I'd rather keep Nino on that deal and do the deal I mentioned before. I would rather trade Nino for a top defenseman or something like that
- NYI44

nino for komi it is

nino for komi it is
- Dozzer

No Komi! Would you guys want Streit as a UFA signing

Believe it or not, but millions of dollars still matter to successful businesses.
- Leeman4Gilmour

believe it or not but building a team that draws playoff revenue consistently would far outweigh 1.5million

you arent looking at this using forcasting

will the asset generate more than it costs in the end?

yeah.. maybe.. especially if he is a fan favorite who earns money by way of showing up at events.. jersey sales etc etc etc

you are being far too linear.. thats simply not how running a billion dollar business works

Take a look at Baseball a little closer... Bidding for the foreign baseball players... Yu Darvish was over 50 million.... many others have been busts
- jribout

I'm strictly referring to drafted prospects.

Baseball is probably the best place to look to determine market values for prospects because the rookie signing bonuses are not capped, and teams regularly pass on top prospects (even though they could draft them) because they can't afford the signing bonuses.

It's probably as close to pure free market as you'll get in pro sports.

If the market determines that Stephen Strasburg, probably the most hyped prospect of all time, is worth a 7.5 million dollar bonus in a league with revenues over twice as great as the NHL, why is Ryan Strome worth DiPietro's buy-out?

It's simply a ludicrous valuation.

Finding a taker saves them 24.
- Leeman4Gilmour

It does ....which Wang then needs to spend on other players to meet the Salary Floor.

We need a present value calculation.
- The Law

Punching in a generous 5%, I'm getting just over $16 milly.

For the right player, MLSEL would laugh all the way to the bar at Real Sports.

believe it or not but building a team that draws playoff revenue consistently would far outweigh 1.5million

you arent looking at this using forcasting

will the asset generate more than it costs in the end?

yeah.. maybe.. especially if he is a fan favorite who earns money by way of showing up at events.. jersey sales etc etc etc

you are being far too linear.. thats simply not how running a billion dollar business works
- Dozzer

Jersey sales are divided amongst all teams evenly (MLSEL gets the standard retail markup if the jersey is sold at the arena).

Yeah, I was surprised to learn that.

Gardiner and a 1st for strome... are you on drugs. Gardiner for Strome is pretty even in a straight up trade when the islanders main concern is defense when strome has not played 1 nhl game
- Mapleleafs_91

Yeah I take that back...... I was more trying to point out why would we give up Gardiner and a 1st..... and take on Dipietro's salary for Strome....

believe it or not but building a team that draws playoff revenue consistently would far outweigh 1.5million

you arent looking at this using forcasting

will the asset generate more than it costs in the end?

yeah.. maybe.. especially if he is a fan favorite who earns money by way of showing up at events.. jersey sales etc etc etc

you are being far too linear.. thats simply not how running a billion dollar business works
- Dozzer

I don't know that Ryan Strome is going to boost jersey sales. At best, he's probably just going to cut into existing sales. The Kadri jersey you would have bought is now a Strome.

All of this is purely speculative.

What isn't speculative is the cash you'd pay DiPietro; we know exactly how much that is.

I'd love to see them squeeze some of these broke teams myself, but I'd shoot a lot higher than Strome.

My guess is that an inflation-adjusted, present value calculation of DiPi's buy-out is something like 14-15 million or so.

That's roughly twice as much as the largest signing bonus in the history of the MLB.
- Leeman4Gilmour

you really dont know how the buyout works do you?

if not bought out.. he is signed for 8 more years and is owed 36million dollars

if he is bought out he is owed 2/3rds that amount over twice the length of the contract

that means he would get paid a mere 1.5million (off cap) for 16 years

for a company who is projected to make lets say 20-25BILLION in that amount of time.. its not a big loss. not even close.

I don't know that Ryan Strome is going to boost jersey sales. At best, he's probably just going to cut into existing sales. The Kadri jersey you would have bought is now a Strome.

All of this is purely speculative.

What isn't speculative is the cash you'd pay DiPietro; we know exactly how much that is.
- Leeman4Gilmour

nothing. thats my point.. the one thing that MLSE has is money.. they should use it to their advantage whenever possible.. because those possibilities are endless.

even if the MLSE broke even (which is a laughable fantasy) do you really think Rogers and Bell would lose money overall?

nope.. they would continue making billions as per usual

money is not a problem for this franchise.. its an advantage.

Yeah I take that back...... I was more trying to point out why would we give up Gardiner and a 1st..... and take on Dipietro's salary for Strome....
- jribout

You would think gardiner has the edge on the value side over strome, strome is an unknown player to the nhl. Its weird that he has NOT played one game in the nhl, so no one knows how he is. It would be a gamble for sure


EDIT: Leafs will draft kerby rychel had to add this in