That was pretty good, Thorton for the win
- Mapleleafs_91

He's got atleast 2 very productive seasons at which point Kadri can overtake his ice time and he can be that grizzled vet in a reduced role. Big and can win draws.

Hell no.

Not in a million years.

For one year of a 34 year old guy?

Not a chance.

See my original post in this thread. Thornton would look awesome in a leafs uniform.

But the final offer is Jerry D'Amigo, or Jeffrey D'Amigo, or whatever his name is.

We aren't willing to go any higher than that.

Sorry.
- Atomic Wedgie

yeah that is like saying "I'd only pay D'Amigo for Iginla" before he got moved to Pittsburgh. That being said though, Toronto needs to have some kind of security if they are trading for a 34 year old UFA.

Either Toronto gives SJ a conditional 2015 1st in addition to whatever gets a deal for Thornton done (condition being Thornton re-signs). Or Toronto makes a deal with the condition that Thornton re-signs or they nix the whole thing.

If you assume he re-signs Thornton can easily fetch an NHL player, a solid prospect and a 1st.... maybe more. If you cannot get the extension right away then the best San Jose can get from Toronto IMO is:

Grabovski
Liles
Holzer
D'Amigo
*conditional 2014 draft pick
**conditional 2015 1st

for

Thornton
Boyle

*depending on Leafs' success in the playoffs, anywhere from 1st - 3rd round pick.

**conditional that Thornton and/or Boyle re-signs (maybe have a little side clause that downgrades the pick to a 4th or something if SJ got a 2014 1st).

Now before all you SJ fans have a freak out, I'm not saying that deal is good or that SJ would take it, just saying that if we cannot get a guarantee that Thornton would re-sign that is the max the Leafs SHOULD pay.

yeah that is like saying "I'd only pay D'Amigo for Iginla" before he got moved to Pittsburgh. That being said though, Toronto needs to have some kind of security if they are trading for a 34 year old UFA.

Either Toronto gives SJ a conditional 2015 1st in addition to whatever gets a deal for Thornton done (condition being Thornton re-signs). Or Toronto makes a deal with the condition that Thornton re-signs or they nix the whole thing.

If you assume he re-signs Thornton can easily fetch an NHL player, a solid prospect and a 1st.... maybe more. If you cannot get the extension right away then the best San Jose can get from Toronto IMO is:

Grabovski
Liles
Holzer
D'Amigo
*conditional 2014 draft pick
**conditional 2015 1st

for

Thornton
Boyle

*depending on Leafs' success in the playoffs, anywhere from 1st - 3rd round pick.

**conditional that Thornton and/or Boyle re-signs (maybe have a little side clause that downgrades the pick to a 4th or something if SJ got a 2014 1st).

Now before all you SJ fans have a freak out, I'm not saying that deal is good or that SJ would take it, just saying that if we cannot get a guarantee that Thornton would re-sign that is the max the Leafs SHOULD pay.
- Steven_Dean

Sorry that deal is fugly. Ya gotta assume at this point Grabo and Liles have no value if not negative value.

Sorry that deal is fugly. Ya gotta assume at this point Grabo and Liles have no value if not negative value.
- Blazed

definitely not negative value, and I would disagree about zero value but I know the deal is bad, that was kind of the point. The Leafs cannot go around trading quality assets for potential rentals at this point in their build. If Thornton doesn't give us an extension immediately than we are not getting him. Period.

yeah that is like saying "I'd only pay D'Amigo for Iginla" before he got moved to Pittsburgh. That being said though, Toronto needs to have some kind of security if they are trading for a 34 year old UFA.

Either Toronto gives SJ a conditional 2015 1st in addition to whatever gets a deal for Thornton done (condition being Thornton re-signs). Or Toronto makes a deal with the condition that Thornton re-signs or they nix the whole thing.

If you assume he re-signs Thornton can easily fetch an NHL player, a solid prospect and a 1st.... maybe more. If you cannot get the extension right away then the best San Jose can get from Toronto IMO is:

Grabovski
Liles
Holzer
D'Amigo
*conditional 2014 draft pick
**conditional 2015 1st

for

Thornton
Boyle

*depending on Leafs' success in the playoffs, anywhere from 1st - 3rd round pick.

**conditional that Thornton and/or Boyle re-signs (maybe have a little side clause that downgrades the pick to a 4th or something if SJ got a 2014 1st).

Now before all you SJ fans have a freak out, I'm not saying that deal is good or that SJ would take it, just saying that if we cannot get a guarantee that Thornton would re-sign that is the max the Leafs SHOULD pay.
- Steven_Dean

We dont need boyle

definitely not negative value, and I would disagree about zero value but I know the deal is bad, that was kind of the point. The Leafs cannot go around trading quality assets for potential rentals at this point in their build. If Thornton doesn't give us an extension immediately than we are not getting him. Period.
- Steven_Dean

Sure maybe Toronto won't go for it. Either way SJ will get more than what Iginla fetched and that's a guarantee extension or not.

Thornton is more productive, a center and you'd get a full year to work out an extension, not a deadline rental.

He will fetch a good return without an extension.

True, I'd do more I think it's a good start though. Im more surprised at the lack of love from Leafers.

If I could be done without Kadri, Gardiner or Reilly I'm on board.

Colborne, Percy, 1st? For futures that's pretty solid. Or in your opinion would they prefer current NHLers
- Blazed

I think once you're at that point, you start knocking down doors for the chance to go all in..

Grabovski, gunnarsson, Percy, Colburne, and a 1st for kopitar.

And yes.. I realize that grabovskis contract makes that a pipe dream.. But the point is the leafs would be in a situation at that point where they can make some serious offers with top picks and quality prospects, and still add a couple players that can help keep a contending team where they are while still adding quality youth.

There's a line with a guy like Thornton where they may as well be beating down doors to do better.

So...... Leafs trade complete garbage to the Isle for more Garbage and a very good young player.

How could this not have happened yet?
- Scabeh

Why not the Rangers did it in the Gomez trade

I think once you're at that point, you start knocking down doors for the chance to go all in..

Grabovski, gunnarsson, Percy, Colburne, and a 1st for kopitar.

And yes.. I realize that grabovskis contract makes that a pipe dream.. But the point is the leafs would be in a situation at that point where they can make some serious offers with top picks and quality prospects, and still add a couple players that can help keep a contending team where they are while still adding quality youth.

There's a line with a guy like Thornton where they may as well be beating down doors to do better.
- joel878

The only way you'll do better than Thornton is if you go by potential. You will not get a guy like Kopitar period I don't care what you offer.

You could make big package for a young guy who hasnt broke out yet but there's te inherent risk do they hit their potential to make it worthwhile.

Why do people call Phil Kessel a 50 goal scorer when he hasn't ever done that in the NHL?
- riceroni

The question is why do you hear people calling Phil Kessel a 50 goal scorer when nobody does that?

The question is why do you hear people calling Phil Kessel a 50 goal scorer when nobody does that?
- Zezel

he's off his meds again or is too much self meds

he's off his meds again or is too much self meds
- dmnted

I wish I had some of his meds, they must be trippy as (frank)

Hey Leaf fans. Crazy trade idea:

To Isles-Komisarek

To Leafs_ Rick DiPietro and Ryan Strome.

Isles get some defensive help and monetary relief.

Leafs get that # 1 center to play with Kessel.

edit:
- Skalapy

What's in it for the leafs?

I don't know about this Thornton thing. It's the same story, the Leafs aren't really in a position to start dumping futures for an aging star player. They have some good young players, but any move we make like that is going to leave us with that aging star player and then holes where we traded two or three or more young guys and/or picks. It smells like the kind of thing where we do that kind of deal and then Joe (or whoever) 'loses a step' while the young guys we traded step up on another team. Like an Owen Nolan type deal.

Great fit in my opinion. It strikes me that SJ is trying to overhaul their defense a bit (a shiny new offensive Dman would give resolution to how best to utilize Burns).

Would Leafs fans be willing to part with either Rielly or Gardiner to make Jumbo Joe happen?
- Morris

ROFL

Would the Oilers give up one of the big 4 for for a 34 year old Dman?

Hey Leaf fans. Crazy trade idea:

To Isles-Komisarek

To Leafs_ Rick DiPietro and Ryan Strome.

Isles get some defensive help and monetary relief.

Leafs get that # 1 center to play with Kessel.

edit:
- Skalapy

I'm sure MLSE would be thrilled to part with 22 million dollars for a prospect.

The MLB has league revenues twice as high as the NHL. No MLB team has ever signed a rookie for more than a 7.5 million dollar bonus, and that was only because the player in question (Stephen Strasburg) was thought to be a generational talent.

Even the New York Freakin' Yankees have never exceeded that 7.5 million for any prospect, no matter how elite.

For 22 million dollars, Ryan Strome is a nice start, but probably only a third of what it would take. MLSE wouldn't part with their money for less than Strome ++ and the Isles aren't desperate enough to give that up, even for 22 million dollars... I think.

That's why this deal won't likely happen. But, no, no team in any North American sports league has ever paid more than 14.5 million for a rookie (Andrew Luck).

ROFL

Would the Oilers give up one of the big 4 for for a 34 year old Dman?
- Aetherial

Unlikely, although we're at the disadvantage that Hall, Eberle, Nuge and Yakupov are probably the four best players on our team (putting aside each of their current values compared to Reilly and Gardiner).

Kessel
Kadri
JVR
Lupul
Phaneuf
Reimer, probably
heck even Gunnarsson and Bozak are higher up on the list of current impact players than Gardiner and Reilly.

You're a team that's positioned to make this move, the Oilers aren't really. I wasn't trying to troll or anything.

Hey Leaf fans. Crazy trade idea:

To Isles-Komisarek

To Leafs_ Rick DiPietro and Ryan Strome.

Isles get some defensive help and monetary relief.

Leafs get that # 1 center to play with Kessel.

edit:
- Skalapy

I don't know the answer to this. I'm asking anyone who might know; Is Ryan Strome ready to be a #1 NHL center? Not talking the OHL or the AHL I mean the NHL.

I don't know the answer to this. I'm asking anyone who might know; Is Ryan Strome ready to be a #1 NHL center? Not talking the OHL or the AHL I mean the NHL.
- GCHonda

I don't know the answer, but my though is that if you have to ask, he probably isn't.

Mike Augello: Rookie Tournament Returns To London; Jumbo Joe To Toronto?
- mikeinbuffalo

"Thornton is known to love Northern California"?.....

Hmmmm....

Toronto, latitude-wise, is pretty damm close.

I don't know the answer to this. I'm asking anyone who might know; Is Ryan Strome ready to be a #1 NHL center? Not talking the OHL or the AHL I mean the NHL.
- GCHonda

Tee-Dot has been banned for a long time.

Tee-Dot has been banned for a long time.

- tunaep.rm

Why, did he sell his car to one of the HB ref's & it turned out to be a lemon?

I don't know the answer, but my though is that if you have to ask, he probably isn't.
- Morris

so $22 million for a prospect who isn't ready? No thanx.

I'm sure MLSE would be thrilled to part with 22 million dollars for a prospect.

The MLB has league revenues twice as high as the NHL. No MLB team has ever signed a rookie for more than a 7.5 million dollar bonus, and that was only because the player in question (Stephen Strasburg) was thought to be a generational talent.

Even the New York Freakin' Yankees have never exceeded that 7.5 million for any prospect, no matter how elite.

For 22 million dollars, Ryan Strome is a nice start, but probably only a third of what it would take. MLSE wouldn't part with their money for less than Strome ++ and the Isles aren't desperate enough to give that up, even for 22 million dollars... I think.

That's why this deal won't likely happen. But, no, no team in any North American sports league has ever paid more than 14.5 million for a rookie (Andrew Luck).
- Leeman4Gilmour

You're forgetting that we get DP as well. He's still pretty good on NHL 13

Tee-Dot has been banned for a long time.

- tunaep.rm

He must be a real hockey player. The Mods get pretty jealous of us