I am telling you that Strome IS a highly ranked Prospect, not by me..but by people who rank prospects. Hockey Futures last Prospect rankings have him at #11 (Rielly is #9 for reference) if you think that's a reasonably respectable site.

I think if you add prospects with High(er) ceilings you have a better chance of succeeding. Not all of them work out, but some do.

that said, there is no way the Isls move him. that would be the same as the leafs moving Rielly
- senstroll

Apparently you didn't notice that Jays Flex-pack card that MLSE might throw into the deal.

You're right apparently I don't. If that's the case, if the buyouts paid over 16 years then why would NYI do this. If this is true then I eat my words.
- coolehmon41

yup, its true.. the buyouts are paid out over twice the length of the contract (or something very similar)

the isles would do this because unlike MLSE.. they dont have 1.5million to throw away for nothing.. they bleed money.. they dont earn it.

might be a different story in a couple years when they get to brooklyn.. but by then its too late to buyout a player

Guys, I just read somewhere (forget where) that Luongo prices are coming to a strong reality.

I broke this down in another thread but basically you're paying a 1.5M tax for 16 years for a player that might not even give you 5 serviceable years, let alone make a significant impact like taking us to the cup on his back; this is not Sydney Crosby here.

There's nothing in the deal that says Strome has to stay here or re-sign with us, that's the risk.
- gravyface

yes.. but.. if buying up a couple young kids help the leafs become playoff competitive for even 4-6 years.. they make their money back with playoff ticket revenue easily

Guys, I just read somewhere (forget where) that Luongo prices are coming to a strong reality.
- Aetherial

you would of read that in the nucks blog

yes.. but.. if buying up a couple young kids help the leafs become playoff competitive for even 4-6 years.. they make their money back with playoff ticket revenue easily
- Dozzer

The revenue arguement could also be applied to the Islanders organization though.

Can't see either team making this move?

you would of read that in the nucks blog
- Dozzer

I think I saw it written in lipstick, on a mirror, on the ceiling, in my bedroom

Glen Sather says hi.
- Aetherial

Crap, you're right, he's traded.

So, yeah, San Jose doesn't really have any cap issues.

yes.. but.. if buying up a couple young kids help the leafs become playoff competitive for even 4-6 years.. they make their money back with playoff ticket revenue easily
- Dozzer

The math is really quite staggering.

Say the average ticket price for a first round game is $100 (which is waaaaaay too low).

That's about $1,900,000 right there.

Then add beer sales.

MLSEL would be more than happy to throw money at a young superstar.

The revenue arguement could also be applied to the Islanders organization though.

Can't see either team making this move?
- Aetherial

Me neither. Leafs, despite all the cash, will still incur a 16 year 1.5 cap hit penalty; that's the difference between hanging onto a good roster player or meeting an RFA contract demand for a long, long time.

Wang can't be giving away high-end talent either, and no team is doing this for spare parts.

Me neither. Leafs, despite all the cash, will still incur a 16 year 1.5 cap hit penalty; that's the difference between hanging onto a good roster player or meeting an RFA contract demand for a long, long time.

Wang can't be giving away high-end talent either, and no team is doing this for spare parts.
- gravyface

No.

No cap hit penalty.

Compliance buyout.

The revenue arguement could also be applied to the Islanders organization though.

Can't see either team making this move?
- Aetherial

no it couldnt.. they save money with this move. DP is playing on the farm team

and komi makes less than his cap hit

the isles save money with this move. unlike MLSE they dont have the same income generating power.. not even close.

Me neither. Leafs, despite all the cash, will still incur a 16 year 1.5 cap hit penalty; that's the difference between hanging onto a good roster player or meeting an RFA contract demand for a long, long time.

Wang can't be giving away high-end talent either, and no team is doing this for spare parts.
- gravyface

how about this

Leafs send Komisarek, 21st pick and Colborne
for
Strome, 15th Pick and Dipietro?

no it couldnt.. they save money with this move. DP is playing on the farm team

and komi makes less than his cap hit

the isles save money with this move. unlike MLSE they dont have the same income generating power.. not even close.
- Dozzer

IMA CUT YOU UP SON

how about this

Leafs send Komisarek, 21st pick and Colborne
for
Strome, 15th Pick and Dipietro?
- senstroll

I don't think the Islanders have any interest in this entire concept, but if you want to entertain this idea on a slow Tuesday morning, at least take Komi out of the deal.

Don't put anything unappealling in front of Snow.

Hell, take out their 15th pick.

San Jose likely wouldn't make the deal I proposed of Percy a 2nd rounder in 2014 an a B level prospect. But I was more or less saying if I'm Dave Nonis that's all I would offer. Just because the Leafs made the playoffs in 2012 doesn't mean they can once again start selling off prospect for aging veterans.
Although in a lot of ways the premise of my deal makes sense. San Jose gets a former 1st round pick in Percy, who is very under rated an will instantly become San Jose's best defensive prospect, they add a 2nd round pick, which in this era of the NHL 2nd round picks have become very valuable. As well as adding a B level prospect who may or may not develop into a serviceable NHL forward. On top of that they clear 7 million dollars in cap space and could add a player like Mike Ribero or Tyler Bozak for 4-5 as well as another player. All for a guy they are likely to let walk a the end of 2013-2014 anyways

Just breath deep Burn and remember...At least the Leafs aren't paying 5 mil for Marc-Andre Fleury to poop the bed and be a backup.
- AdamFrench

No, but we are paying Komisarek $4M to play on the 3rd pairing in the AHL

no it couldnt.. they save money with this move. DP is playing on the farm team

and komi makes less than his cap hit

the isles save money with this move. unlike MLSE they dont have the same income generating power.. not even close.
- Dozzer

The arguement was that the Leafs could recoup the buyout money with a better chance at playoff revenues.

I am saying that exact arguement could apply to the Islanders. THEY buyout diPietro and they recoup the money from the playoff revenues that they get because they held on to Strome also.

how about this

Leafs send Komisarek, 21st pick and Colborne
for
Strome, 15th Pick and Dipietro?
- senstroll

Unfortunately, buyout or no buyout, the Islanders are not letting go of Strome without an A level prospect as part of the package.

Think Rielly or Gardiner.

San Jose likely wouldn't make the deal I proposed of Percy a 2nd rounder in 2014 an a B level prospect. But I was more or less saying if I'm Dave Nonis that's all I would offer. Just because the Leafs made the playoffs in 2012 doesn't mean they can once again start selling off prospect for aging veterans.
Although in a lot of ways the premise of my deal makes sense. San Jose gets a former 1st round pick in Percy, who is very under rated an will instantly become San Jose's best defensive prospect, they add a 2nd round pick, which in this era of the NHL 2nd round picks have become very valuable. As well as adding a B level prospect who may or may not develop into a serviceable NHL forward. On top of that they clear 7 million dollars in cap space and could add a player like Mike Ribero or Tyler Bozak for 4-5 as well as another player. All for a guy they are likely to let walk a the end of 2013-2014 anyways
- Hockey61

So Toronto gives up a guy like Bozak, presumably to improve their chances at a cup/playoffs.

San Jose gets rid of Thornton and they are motivated to do so because they can go out and get a guy like Bozak.

... I am still not seeing what is in this for San Jose. If Thornton is trade, it will be for someone good, and under 25, and some decent picks.

No, but we are paying Komisarek $4M to play on the 3rd pairing in the AHL
- Rang

You bugger

I don't think the Islanders have any interest in this entire concept, but if you want to entertain this idea on a slow Tuesday morning, at least take Komi out of the deal.

Don't put anything unappealling in front of Snow.

Hell, take out their 15th pick.
- Atomic Wedgie

agreed

The arguement was that the Leafs could recoup the buyout money with a better chance at playoff revenues.

I am saying that exact arguement could apply to the Islanders. THEY buyout diPietro and they recoup the money from the playoff revenues that they get because they held on to Strome also.
- Aetherial

no.. one flaw to your reasoning

even WITH playoff revenue the islanders dont even break even

the leafs are well into the black long before playoff time

Unfortunately, buyout or no buyout, the Islanders are not letting go of Strome without an A level prospect as part of the package.

Think Rielly or Gardiner.
- Rang

I agree and if I am the Leafs I don't make that deal.

I don't think the Islanders have any interest in this entire concept, but if you want to entertain this idea on a slow Tuesday morning, at least take Komi out of the deal.

Don't put anything unappealling in front of Snow.

Hell, take out their 15th pick.
- Atomic Wedgie

komi might not be appealing but he would certainly be appealling to wang

wang would see 3.5million in cost to cover 4.5million in cap allotment

wang dont give a (frank) about talent.