and an even better GM would know that Edler is very likely going to best player in play.

do the teams in the top five want potential, or do they want a guy that is a pretty good defenceman?
- IanEsplen

I would say most teams want a potential game breaking talent on a rookie contract versus a good defenseman who has a large/long contract.

A lot of teams would take Edler in a trade but not straight up for a top 5. Guaranteed those teams get much better offers than just Edler that include proven talent, picks, and prospects.

A quick look at some contracts

Ehrhoff - 47 Games 22 Points - Salary 10 Million
Phaneuf - 48 Games 28 Points - Salary 6.5 Million
Edler - 45 Games 22 Points - Salary 5 Million

It's not the valleys in life I dread it's the (dips).
- VanHockeyGuy

Don't mix up Salary and Cap Hit. These numbers are all wrong.

Nichushkin's cap hit will likely be in the $3M range as a rookie.
- KB3Point0

good catch

so what do we figure, 40ish points for Nish at 3 million or 40ish points from Edler at 5 for the extent of that rookie deal?

Nichushkin's cap hit will likely be in the $3M range as a rookie.
- KB3Point0

Ummm ... did Rookie max go up significantly? Last year it was like $950k + bonuses up to like $1.8 max, with half of that being bonus cushion eligible.

Edit: My bad, quite a bit higher than I remembered it being.

Edit again: $950k is in fact the base, $2.8M in bonuses again which would be cushion applicable, so most likely true cap hit is somewhere in the $1-2M range.

So then what happens when Nish wants 6-8 million after that deal or he bolts back home and Edler still has 3 years at 5 million?

I guess that is of no benefit to a team.

the Russin factor isn't just a draft day thing...it's a thing you're going to deal with for their whole career.
- IanEsplen

So why do you want to make the deal then if this will end badly?

I would say most teams want a potential game breaking talent on a rookie contract versus a good defenseman who has a large/long contract.

A lot of teams would take Edler in a trade but not straight up for a top 5. Guaranteed those teams get much better offers than just Edler that include proven talent, picks, and prospects.
- Joel_Eh

Top 5 draft picks get "rookie" cap hits of $3M+. That's not the value teams are looking for. At that value they'd much rather have Edler with a $5M cap hit.

I would say most teams want a potential game breaking talent on a rookie contract versus a good defenseman who has a large/long contract.

A lot of teams would take Edler in a trade but not straight up for a top 5. Guaranteed those teams get much better offers than just Edler that include proven talent, picks, and prospects.
- Joel_Eh

Is 5 million really all that large though? There are a lot of D making more money than that and some are not in Edler's league.

So why do you want to make the deal then if this will end badly?
- bdashaw

I personally don't.

I'd take Shinkaruk or Horvat over Nish personally.

I'm doing my final ranks with French at some point, and in my personal rankings he'll be 7 or 8.

Nish isn't a guy I would trade for. Waaaaay too much risk involved.

I'm more interested in what it would take to get to 8-12.

A quick look at some contracts

Ehrhoff - 47 Games 22 Points - Salary 10 Million
Phaneuf - 48 Games 28 Points - Salary 6.5 Million
Edler - 45 Games 22 Points - Salary 5 Million

It's not the valleys in life I dread it's the (dips).
- VanHockeyGuy

Nichuskin - salary $1M

Is 5 million really all that large though? There are a lot of D making more money than that and some are not in Edler's league.
- IanEsplen

I think Calgary would legitimately entertain this offer for the 6th overall, but I'm not sure Monahan's the guy the Canucks would want.

Ummm ... did Rookie max go up significantly? Last year it was like $950k + bonuses up to like $1.8 max, with half of that being bonus cushion eligible.
- Double_A

According to CapGeek, performance bonuses can go up to $2.8M. Add that onto salary, other bonuses, signing bonus, and your cap hit exceeds $3M pretty quickly.

I personally don't.

I'd take Shinkaruk or Horvat over Nish personally.

I'm doing my final ranks with French at some point, and in my personal rankings he'll be 7 or 8.

Nish isn't a guy I would trade for. Waaaaay too much risk involved.

I'm more interested in what it would take to get to 8-12.
- IanEsplen

At 8 spot your still going to get a REALLY good player. No way on Horvat that early for me or over Nish. Shinkaruk would be exactly what our team is lacking. Pure offensive star, might be a year or two away but probably only 2-3 players will step in right away in a meaningful way.

Nichuskin - salary $1M
- Dirte

Salary $1M, cap hit $3M+.

According to CapGeek, performance bonuses can go up to $2.8M. Add that onto salary, other bonuses, signing bonus, and your cap hit exceeds $3M pretty quickly.
- KB3Point0

Except that, with the bonus cushion, the cap hit you actually realize on these guys is effectively right back down to $1M to $1.5M.

Salary $1M, cap hit $3M+.
- KB3Point0

He was quoting salary though.

I think salary doesn't matter too much. But, if he's going to try to use Ehrhoff's $10M salary for one year, it's fair to bring up Nichuskin's $1M salary, right?

I think Calgary would legitimately entertain this offer for the 6th overall, but I'm not sure Monahan's the guy the Canucks would want.
- jtommyt

I take Lindholm over Monahan all day if taking a center. I also take shinkaruk over Monahan. It comes down to team need though and what you have in your system. Gaunce is a similar player to Monahan in that they are both bigger players who play a two way game, neither will ever set the world on fire with offensive ability.

I think Calgary would legitimately entertain this offer for the 6th overall, but I'm not sure Monahan's the guy the Canucks would want.
- jtommyt

I think he's your guy to.

And he would look very good in a Canucks jersey.

The Flames have been looking for that franchise centre for years and I can't see him trading that pick even for Edler.

The oilers are coming. If you dont think that team is gona be a cup contender for the next ten years youve got problems. Its like 4 or5 20 year old kids are gona turn that brutal franchise around over night its not gona happen. Like all the other teams that started over, its gona take time. Playoffs this year and then look for a longer run in the years to follow.
- allen_gamble

Seriously? The Oilers have a chance as soon as goaltending, defence, veteran leadership, and toughness are no longer required to win in the NHL.

So then what happens when Nish wants 6-8 million after that deal or he bolts back home and Edler still has 3 years at 5 million?

I guess that is of no benefit to a team.

the Russin factor isn't just a draft day thing...it's a thing you're going to deal with for their whole career.
- IanEsplen

If Nich is worth 6-8 million at 21 or 22, people will be patting themselves on the back for not trading him for Edler.

The russian factor is mostly silliness. Just Pierre McGuire/Jeremy Roenick style nonsense. Most of these kids, just like any others in the world, want to play in the NHL first and foremost.

He was quoting salary though.

I think salary doesn't matter too much. But, if he's going to try to use Ehrhoff's $10M salary for one year, it's fair to bring up Nichuskin's $1M salary, right?
- Dirte

Ehrhoff's salary next year is $4M
Edler's salary next year is $3.5M

Salary is much less relevant than cap hit, but either way, his numbers are wrong.

come now, Canucks will have to give up more than Just Edler...prospect & pick...

Is 5 million really all that large though? There are a lot of D making more money than that and some are not in Edler's league.
- IanEsplen

Edlers contract is very tradeable. I also do think he will be moved at some point, multi player deal perhaps. Just really hope MG can put a good deal together, that's my biggest concern.

If Nich is worth 6-8 million at 21 or 22, people will be patting themselves on the back for not trading him for Edler.

The russian factor is mostly silliness. Just Pierre McGuire/Jeremy Roenick style nonsense. Most of these kids, just like any others in the world, want to play in the NHL first and foremost.
- notwalnc

No, it's a reality. There is a very viable league back in Russia where guys can play in front of their families and friend and often make more money than they would in the NHL. That why so few Russian players are even in the NHL these days.

Canucks had a 3rd liner named Chubarov a while ago. He would have been a 2-3m dollar guy. Now he's making $5m in Russia (or was last time I heard about him).

Edlers contract is very tradeable. I also do think he will be moved at some point, multi player deal perhaps. Just really hope MG can put a good deal together, that's my biggest concern.
- VanHockeyGuy

I think he has a no trade on his new deal so he will have to get moved by July 1 if im not mistaken. Similar situation to the Jeff Carter trade.

If Nich is worth 6-8 million at 21 or 22, people will be patting themselves on the back for not trading him for Edler.

The russian factor is mostly silliness. Just Pierre McGuire/Jeremy Roenick style nonsense. Most of these kids, just like any others in the world, want to play in the NHL first and foremost.
- notwalnc

So Radulov and his I believe 13 million is crying at home with his friends.

Just ask the Jets how fun the Russian factor is to deal with.

They over paid their goalie by about 1-2 million and now they have an RFA that they used the number 8 pick on that will be playing it soon.

add it up and it's two guys they will likely be paying 3-4 million too much for.