Problem is, since the deal was signed, Edler could make a case that his NTC is already in force because he bargained it and signed his contract in good faith with the understanding that he would not be traded. He could easily file a grievance (like Viznovsky did) and make a case that because Gillis is going against the spirit and intent of his contract that it should be null and void and make him a free agent.
- DariusKnight

Incredibly unlikely....

Problem is, since the deal was signed, Edler could make a case that his NTC is already in force because he bargained it and signed his contract in good faith with the understanding that he would not be traded. He could easily file a grievance (like Viznovsky did) and make a case that because Gillis is going against the spirit and intent of his contract that it should be null and void and make him a free agent.
- DariusKnight

No he can't, his NTC starts when his new contract starts...sorry but that's the legalities of it.

It's the same as yours.
- Scooby_Doo

You're insane.

In the most disappointing season of his career he still lead the D in most statistical categories

I'd also say that the previous three seasons are more indicative of his ability than one shortened season where he returned from an off-season injury, had no camp, started on his off side (the stretch where he actually looked bad to start the season), and didn't have the same partner for longer than a two week period.
- Fosco

If the Canucks have a lead in the third period wouldn't you rather hamhuis , garrison , bieksa and tanev ahead of edler ?

If the Canucks have a lead in the third period wouldn't you rather hamhuis , garrison , bieksa and tanev ahead of edler ?
- Redmile247

Nope. Maybe Garrison and Hamhuis.

Hell no to Bieksa, and what people don't realize about Tanev is that he gets the most sheltered minutes of all the D.

Edler was consistently out against the other team's best players, and was doing quite well until he was paired with Bieksa. Led the D in Corsi rel QoC until the last 3 weeks of the season.

Regardless, that doesn't make him not in the top4. Some teams employ different pairs in different situations, for example, like a shut down pair or an offensive pair—you'd obviously want the shut down pair on in the situation you suggest, but that doesn't make them your top pair.

EDIT: I don't put as much stock into this one season as I do in the previous 5 when he was quite good in both ends of the ice.

If the Canucks have a lead in the third period wouldn't you rather hamhuis , garrison , bieksa and tanev ahead of edler ?
- Redmile247

I'd rather Wideman and Giordano.

I'd rather Wideman and Giordano.
- Scooby_Doo

Its not as black and white as that, and never was. And even before the cap, only a handful of teams could just "buy a new core".

The only thing that has really changed is the over-analysis by media and fans due to the proliferation of information. Only those behind the scenes have any idea of what the real values are......
- chompsey

Really? You don't see the league as younger? You don't see the need for damn near every team needing a cheap ELC or 2 on the roster? I agree that the media has over-hyped young players,especially since that span between Ovie and Stamkos, but I do beleive more teams are placing emphasis on the draft than before the Cap. There are far less trades now than back then as well.

I'd rather Wideman and Giordano.
- Scooby_Doo

Wideman is over paid but has almost identical ppg in his career to edler the allstar
Gio also had a bad year adjusting to new system

Wideman is over paid but had almost identical ppg to edler the allstar
Gio also had a bad year adjusting to new system
- Redmile247

Gio is underated.If he played on an EC contender he would get more respect.

Wideman is over paid but has almost identical ppg in his career to edler the allstar
Gio also had a bad year adjusting to new system
- Redmile247

Is Wideman 6'3 and hammers guys and has as good as a stick? People, we're talking about a cerebral 6'3 two way defenseman who put's up .60 pts per game and hammers guy, blocks shots and has a great first pass. He's getting undervalued big time. Watch some hockey other than your own team gawd.

Really? You don't see the league as younger? You don't see the need for damn near every team needing a cheap ELC or 2 on the roster? I agree that the media has over-hyped young players,especially since that span between Ovie and Stamkos, but I do beleive more teams are placing emphasis on the draft than before the Cap. There are far less trades now than back then as well.
- Jeropotato

You don't think teams like the Oilers, Flames and Islanders had a huge emphasis on drafting back in the day? How do you think they won so many Cups between them, ten to be exact. They drafted their core and they won! For the past 20 some years teams have gotten away from building and put resources on spending.

Flames - Loob, Konroyd, MacInnis, Vernon, Quinn, Makarov, Roberts, Ranheim, Hull, Suter, Nieuwendyk, Fleury, Reichel all drafted during the 1980's.

Oilers - Lowe, Anderson, Messier, Coffey, Kurri, Moog, Fuhr, Smith, Beukeboom, Tikkanen, Buchburger, all drafted between 1979 and 1985.

Islanders - Nystrom, Potvin, Bossy, Trottier, Gillis, Morrow, Tonelli, Sutter, Sutter, Gilbert, Hrudey, Dineen, Flatley, Lafontaine, all drafted between 1972 and 1983.

Is Wideman 6'3 and hammers guys and has as good as a stick? People, we're talking about a cerebral 6'3 two way defenseman who put's up .60 pts per game and hammers guy, blocks shots and has a great first pass. He's getting undervalued big time. Watch some hockey other than your own team gawd.
- Boinker

I live in bc so I see plenty of Canucks games

I live in bc so I see plenty of Canucks games
- Redmile247

Well you obviously haven;t been paying attention. He had an off year in a weird year. He's been a stud since he came into the league. Fans are pretty stupid. Players aren;t going to consistently be at the top of their game every year, and when a player is in one of those funks it's always "trade him"

You don't think teams like the Oilers, Flames and Islanders had a huge emphasis on drafting back in the day? How do you think they won so many Cups between them, ten to be exact. They drafted their core and they won! For the past 20 some years teams have gotten away from building and put resources on spending.

Flames - Loob, Konroyd, MacInnis, Vernon, Quinn, Makarov, Roberts, Ranheim, Hull, Suter, Nieuwendyk, Fleury, Reichel all drafted during the 1980's.

Oilers - Lowe, Anderson, Messier, Coffey, Kurri, Moog, Fuhr, Smith, Beukeboom, Tikkanen, Buchburger, all drafted between 1979 and 1985.

Islanders - Nystrom, Potvin, Bossy, Trottier, Gillis, Morrow, Tonelli, Sutter, Sutter, Gilbert, Hrudey, Dineen, Flatley, Lafontaine, all drafted between 1972 and 1983.
- LeftCoaster

the players didn't have free agent rights then did they ?

the players didn't have free agent rights then did they ?
- way out west

Definitely not as liberal as it is now for sure, but yes there was free agency back then.

I live in bc so I see plenty of Canucks games
- Redmile247

Did you know cunillingus causes throat cancer?

I want to star off by saying: I don't want to assume what the right move for the team is, because there are always repercussions depending on what route you choose to take. If it were upto me though, I'd trade Hamhuis. He is arguably our most precious asset on defence, and by trading him instead of Edler you accomplish a few things.

You keep the younger guy

You keep the bigger guy

You keep the more offence oriented talent (overall)

All of these points perfectly align with the M.O MG wants to establish with this team moving forward.

Who do you think has more trade value? Hamhuis or Edler?

Did you know cunillingus causes throat cancer?
- Scooby_Doo

According to Michael Douglas's doctor, it may contribute...so yes.

I want to star off by saying: I don't want to assume what the right move for the team is, because there are always repercussions depending on what route you choose to take. If it were upto me though, I'd trade Hamhuis. He is arguably our most precious asset on defence, and by trading him instead of Edler you accomplish a few things.

You keep the younger guy

You keep the bigger guy

You keep the more offence oriented talent (overall)

All of these points perfectly align with the M.O MG wants to establish with this team moving forward.

Who do you think has more trade value? Hamhuis or Edler?
- Gullzy

That's so difficult to answer because it's a very subjective thing. Depends, because one team may value each of them completely opposite to what another team will.

Personally I think you'd be better off trading Edler, he's younger, he's signed for longer, he has more offensive talent.

According to Michael Douglas's doctor, it may contribute...so yes.
- LeftCoaster

I'm sure a lot of women are upset about this discovery.

I'm sure a lot of women are upset about this discovery.
- Scooby_Doo

It's worth the risk!!!

That's so difficult to answer because it's a very subjective thing. Depends, because one team may value each of them completely opposite to what another team will.

Personally I think you'd be better off trading Edler, he's younger, he's signed for longer, he has more offensive talent.
- LeftCoaster

I agree, and its exactly what I'm trying to gauge.

On one hand you have a 4.6 million dollar guy with significant Norris Trophy consideration in the past. On the other is a 5 million dollar .6ppg game guy with all the intangibles.

One things for sure. These guys are our best defenceman, and losing either of them would be a blow to our team. It's exciting to think what mG could bank for either of them though!

It's worth the risk!!!
- LeftCoaster