Sucks for both. A buyout actually does make sense but if I was FC no dam way. I like money to much and you don't get rich by throwing money away. Essentially you are giving a top notch goalie to another team who would sign him for a 3 or 4 year contract at the same cap hit. Hard pill to swallow.
- thundachunk

they're basically splitting it by the amount they saved.

It makes perfect sense to me. BAsically, there is no escaping cap hits. It just closes a loophole. Eventually, all cap hit charged to a team is the amount of salary they paid. That's really what it should be, imo. It basically makes it near impossible to screw with the cap. It will be interesting to see what it's like this summer.

What I'm curious about, is that there is the possibility for the reverse happening. Backload a contract instead, and the team that trades for him is paying less than his cap hit. If he retires early, do they get that cap hit back? It opens the door to 'saving up' cap hit.

You kinda forget that Jordan Staal was worth more to Carolina than anyother team was willing to pay. Don't believe me? Wait to see what they pay the Rangers for Marc Staal. More than Edler would get,I think, and it's only because of his last name.
- Jeropotato

On the flip side you could say that Pitts was trading from a position of weakness, since he was a pending RFA and it was fairly well known he wouldn't re-sign with any team that traded for him unless that team was Carolina.

I agree with you on Marc Staal, though.

You'd have to think CAR would like to get him, and NYR are one of the only teams that can offer up a young established D who is a similar calibre to Edler.

If gillis final offer is edler for the 3rd overall then Stevie Y keeps it ... Plain and simple
Just curious if resigning a player then trading him to another team will hurt gillis' ability to attract players ... It's a massive Richard move if he trades edler after giving him a no trade

If gillis final offer is edler for the 3rd overall then Stevie Y keeps it ... Plain and simple
Just curious if resigning a player then trading him to another team will hurt gillis' ability to attract players ... It's a massive Richard move if he trades edler after giving him a no trade
- Redmile247

While I agree it's a Richard move, a signed Edler is much more valuable than a pending UFA Edler don't you think?

And the only reason this discussion is happening is because Hamhuis, Bieksa and Garrison all have existing NTC ( I think Hamhuis is limited teams) and Ballard is essentially worthless, Corrado and Tanev are the future.

Our hockey pool should be null and void seems hows Scoobs leading.

I (frank)ing hate Marchand, but that (frank)ing rat can play.

Our hockey pool should be null and void seems hows Scoobs leading.
- vancity787

While I agree it's a Richard move, a signed Edler is much more valuable than a pending UFA Edler don't you think?
- 1970vintage

A little maybe, but at the sametime, this was one of the only times that I recall Gillis giving a player a deal before the season started.

He could always play the, I gave him the money and he crapped the bed so i moved him card.

If Edler wasn't going to play like a top 10 in the NHL D then in some aspects he's not lived up to what Gillis thought he was paying for. If Edler isn't going to live up to what Gillis was expecting than why should Gillis live up to the NTC?

Our hockey pool should be null and void seems hows Scoobs leading.
- vancity787

I can't get any respect around here.

A little maybe, but at the sametime, this was one of the only times that I recall Gillis giving a player a deal before the season started.

He could always play the, I gave him the money and he crapped the bed so i moved him card.

If Edler wasn't going to play like a top 10 in the NHL D then in some aspects he's not lived up to what Gillis thought he was paying for. If Edler isn't going to live up to what Gillis was expecting than why should Gillis live up to the NTC?
- IanEsplen

Why does it matter?

The NTC doesn't kick in till July—trading him before then is well within Gillis's rights, and IMO not a Richard move, just business.

I can't get any respect around here.
- Scooby_Doo

Must be your location.

That was pre salary cap.The value of picks and prospects was much lower, and at the time veterans were the commodity.Think of it like currency:

Back then:
McCabe and 2 mid rounders =$10
2nd overall pick=$10

Nowadays:
Edler=$15
2nd overall pick =$25

The value of cost is irrelevant when comparing deals that went down before the Cap era.
- Jeropotato

Talk about pulling poop out of your ass......this whole post is nonsensical.....

Why does it matter?

The NTC doesn't kick in till July—trading him before then is well within Gillis's rights, and IMO not a Richard move, just business.
- Fosco

Well, think about it from a player's perspective. Let's say that I'm Jannik Hansen and I score 20 goals next year and my contract is up after the season, Gillis says he's willing to give me a limited NTC(list of 10 teams I don't want to go to) if I take 500K less per season. After seeing what happened to Edler, If I'm Hansen I'd rather wait until July 1st before signing that trade to make sure I don't end up getting traded without a say. And by hitting July 1st, maybe another team offers a lot more than expected while offering me a second line role and I end up signing there.

While I agree it's a Richard move, a signed Edler is much more valuable than a pending UFA Edler don't you think?

And the only reason this discussion is happening is because Hamhuis, Bieksa and Garrison all have existing NTC ( I think Hamhuis is limited teams) and Ballard is essentially worthless, Corrado and Tanev are the future.
- 1970vintage

Oh i know why the edler trade convo is going on , I've been told a few times when I questioned it , I agree trading a player under contract makes him far more valuable but I am one of the few ppl that isn't the biggest edler fan ... it seems like whenever something goes wrong he is on the ice ... And I honestly believe he isn't a top 4 d man on van when they are healthy

Why does it matter?

The NTC doesn't kick in till July—trading him before then is well within Gillis's rights, and IMO not a Richard move, just business.
- Fosco

Trading edler makes sense for the Canucks business wise but it doesn't look good to other players who might sign or resign

A little maybe, but at the sametime, this was one of the only times that I recall Gillis giving a player a deal before the season started.

He could always play the, I gave him the money and he crapped the bed so i moved him card.

If Edler wasn't going to play like a top 10 in the NHL D then in some aspects he's not lived up to what Gillis thought he was paying for. If Edler isn't going to live up to what Gillis was expecting than why should Gillis live up to the NTC?
- IanEsplen

It's not a Richard move either way.If there is no NTC or NMC he can trade him away and not lose any sleep about it.It's part of the biz,every player knows this, and if a team got labeled as a Richard for signing and trading a player after 1 year then just about every club in the league would be a Richard at some point.

Why does it matter?
The NTC doesn't kick in till July—trading him before then is well within Gillis's rights, and IMO not a Richard move, just business.
- Fosco

At the end of the day this is a business, Mike Gillis has an obligation to the organization first and foremost...end of story. If there are no home town discounts in the future, so be it.

Talk about pulling poop out of your ass......this whole post is nonsensical.....
- chompsey

It makes perfect sense...all I'm saying is that draft picks are worth more than they were 10 years ago...and they are. Before the CBA teams didnt worry about so much if they could just buy a new "core" with the owners money. Can't really do that anymore.So regardless of whether Edler is better than a McCabe was 10 years ago and worth more as a commodity, the price of top 5 picks has increased drastically.

Oh i know why the edler trade convo is going on , I've been told a few times when I questioned it , I agree trading a player under contract makes him far more valuable but I am one of the few ppl that isn't the biggest edler fan ... it seems like whenever something goes wrong he is on the ice ... And I honestly believe he isn't a top 4 d man on van when they are healthy
- Redmile247

You're insane.

In the most disappointing season of his career he still lead the D in most statistical categories

I'd also say that the previous three seasons are more indicative of his ability than one shortened season where he returned from an off-season injury, had no camp, started on his off side (the stretch where he actually looked bad to start the season), and didn't have the same partner for longer than a two week period.

You're insane.

In the most disappointing season of his career he still lead the D in most statistical categories
- Fosco

He's a top 4 D on any team in the league,if not a top 2.

He's a top 4 D on any team in the league,if not a top 2.
- Jeropotato

Agreed.

He had a disappointing year, and still put up decent numbers in every category except for +/-.

It makes perfect sense...all I'm saying is that draft picks are worth more than they were 10 years ago...and they are. Before the CBA teams didnt worry about so much if they could just buy a new "core" with the owners money. Can't really do that anymore.So regardless of whether Edler is better than a McCabe was 10 years ago and worth more as a commodity, the price of top 5 picks has increased drastically.
- Jeropotato

Its not as black and white as that, and never was. And even before the cap, only a handful of teams could just "buy a new core".

The only thing that has really changed is the over-analysis by media and fans due to the proliferation of information. Only those behind the scenes have any idea of what the real values are......

Its not as black and white as that, and never was. And even before the cap, only a handful of teams could just "buy a new core".

The only thing that has really changed is the over-analysis by media and fans due to the proliferation of information. Only those behind the scenes have any idea of what the real values are......
- chompsey

It's very much a fluid thing, at the end of the day things are worth what someone is willing to pay. If they truly want to "sell" that pick, Tampa, and the best offer they get is Edler. They take it. If not, they draft and develop. But Yzerman is the only one who really knows what he wants.

At the end of the day this is a business, Mike Gillis has an obligation to the organization first and foremost...end of story. If there are no home town discounts in the future, so be it.
- LeftCoaster

Problem is, since the deal was signed, Edler could make a case that his NTC is already in force because he bargained it and signed his contract in good faith with the understanding that he would not be traded. He could easily file a grievance (like Viznovsky did) and make a case that because Gillis is going against the spirit and intent of his contract that it should be null and void and make him a free agent.

Must be your location.
- Nucker101

It's the same as yours.