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MrToast
New Jersey Devils
Location: Space, YT
Joined: 06.27.2012

Jun 2 @ 2:03 PM ET
Is your roomate devfan30? Because that would explain a lot. Larsson was probably our most reliable defender behind Greene this season. But tell me more about these defensive lapses...
- rmdevil313

You don't know about the "defensive lapse" stat?
rmdevil313
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Your a (frank)ing fag and I hope you get crippled- Cranny, MN
Joined: 01.05.2009

Jun 2 @ 2:15 PM ET
You don't know about the "defensive lapse" stat?
- MrToast


He wouldn't be wrong if he was talking about Larsson's rookie season. He frequently had defensive lapses then. But this year he was very steady. Next step in his development would be confidence in the offensive zone and he still has room to fill out a bit more.
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Jun 2 @ 3:04 PM ET
Todd Cordell: New Jersey Devils: What About Valeri Nichushkin?
- Todd.Cordell

yes please
archromat
Location: Moncton, NB
Joined: 01.16.2012

Jun 2 @ 3:41 PM ET
Every defenseman is allowed to make x errors. Larsson made much less than x errors. His +/- would be beefed if the team had more offense, and his points would be beefed if he spent more than 10 mins on the powerplay all season.

His hockey IQ makes him play like he's 25. When his offensive game develops, he's going to be awesome at both ends. I look forward to it. I still think he might end up being the best player out of that draft. No pressure on the kid, though... if he turns out to be a first pairing, then we got what we wanted. It's a very real possibility he plays first pairing next season with Greene.
K-dizzle
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 07.28.2011

Jun 2 @ 3:49 PM ET
Every time I get on here now it seems like someone is bashing Larsson. I'm sure no other team has had a pick struggle his first 2 seasons.
rmdevil313
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Your a (frank)ing fag and I hope you get crippled- Cranny, MN
Joined: 01.05.2009

Jun 2 @ 4:29 PM ET
Every time I get on here now it seems like someone is bashing Larsson. I'm sure no other team has had a pick struggle his first 2 seasons.
- K-dizzle


Just for comparisons sake:

Hedman:
.27 p/g 1:19 PP TOI/G
.33 p/g 1:38 PP TOI/G

Ekman Larsson:
N/A
.23 p/g 0:59 PP TOI/G

Larsson:
.29 p/g 1:38 PP TOI/G
.16 p/g 0:09 PP TOI/G

I don't like judging a player's game on stats, but since some people want to boxscore watch, hopefully this will shed some light on the situation. These are the players first two seasons after the draft. Larsson, when getting the same powerplay time, is on par with those two. His dip in production could most likely be attributed to no powerplay time and a worse offense in front of him. This season was Hedman's breakout year, at 22 and his 4th season. Ekman larsson has seen his numbers grow a lot quicker, but he was drafted as a more offensive defensman, and not every player develops at the same pace.
FiretheGM
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 12.16.2011

Jun 2 @ 4:57 PM ET
send adam Larsson to the oilers for the 7th pick. then take Monahan and shinkuruk. problem solved.
- devfan30

Where can i sign? edit: Ill throw something else in it too, 2nd or a 3rd.
ChuckNJ
Joined: 05.07.2013

Jun 2 @ 5:24 PM ET
I am not one to say Larsson is a bust. I knw he is only 20 . However I am getting a little concern with his play. He still has a ton of D lapses. He also will not carrying the puck out of the zone.
_Zippy_
New Jersey Devils
Location: Threw one in front blocked the, NJ
Joined: 01.26.2012

Jun 2 @ 5:48 PM ET
The problem is these players are worthless.
- FLdevilsFAN


Not at all.

Think of the Hurricanes perspective.

They can either add Nichuskin or add Domi/Shinkaruk/Nurse/Zadorov, Josefson, and a defensive prospect.

I think they may consider.
FLdevilsFAN
New Jersey Devils
Location: Balls Deep, AK
Joined: 07.08.2010

Jun 2 @ 6:26 PM ET
Not at all.

Think of the Hurricanes perspective.

They can either add Nichuskin or add Domi/Shinkaruk/Nurse/Zadorov, Josefson, and a defensive prospect.

I think they may consider.

- _Zippy_

Josefson's value is that of glass, which is what he's made of.

NJ has very few "golden" prospects because...they're prospects.

NJ fans have a bad habit if thinking real life works like NHL13 & you can just piece together a bunch of poop to get a top-notch talent or a top pick.

Tedenby is another one people think "beefs up" a deal. I like JJ, he has a solid 2-way game, but it's hardly like he's a top 6 FW.

I'll be pleasantly surprised if Lou pulls of a coup, but NJ's prospects are questionable. They have this supposed depth at defense in the organization. I tell you what, if they have a bunch of potential studs in the wings, then Tallinder, Atrain, Salvador...2 of them should be gone because they're borderline AHL talent at this point. If the NJ organization agrees with all you fans who think Merrill, Gelinas, etc are gonna become the next Lindstrom & Orr, we'll see what they do with these amnesty clauses they have.

If they have these studs, now's the time to use them. I'm tired of watching has-beens get smoked like pylons on a nightly basis.

And giving Salvador the Captaincy was hilarious.

I hope Lou is done Richarding around. Time to move forward with youth & speed. I'm all for the youth movement.

I just don't think NJ has the sack to do what's right because this organization is stuck on the fallacy that this team is built to get Marty one more Cup. They're not. And if they were serious about it, replacing Parise with Ponikarovsky, Sullivan, and D'Agonstini was hilarious.
NickA
New Jersey Devils
Location: Shero's magical sack, NJ
Joined: 10.22.2008

Jun 2 @ 6:51 PM ET
I am not one to say Larsson is a bust. I knw he is only 20 . However I am getting a little concern with his play. He still has a ton of D lapses. He also will not carrying the puck out of the zone.
- ChuckNJ



Your right he makes so many more mistakes then everyone else...
smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.28.2011

Jun 2 @ 7:21 PM ET
But tell me more about these defensive lapses...
- rmdevil313



It's when Adam makes a mistake in practice and coach makes him skate around the rink a few times.
_Zippy_
New Jersey Devils
Location: Threw one in front blocked the, NJ
Joined: 01.26.2012

Jun 2 @ 7:29 PM ET
Josefson's value is that of glass, which is what he's made of.

NJ has very few "golden" prospects because...they're prospects.

NJ fans have a bad habit if thinking real life works like NHL13 & you can just piece together a bunch of poop to get a top-notch talent or a top pick.

Tedenby is another one people think "beefs up" a deal. I like JJ, he has a solid 2-way game, but it's hardly like he's a top 6 FW.


- FLdevilsFAN


It all depends on the other team. One team can see a guy who isn't going to produce anything offensively, while another sees a guy with Elias-lite like potential (style of play more then being Elias). Urbom is the same way.

I think a team may consider Josefson+Urbom+9th for the 4th or 5th spot. They are essentially adding two NHL ready prospects along with a pretty damn good prospect at number nine.
Steve Palumbo
San Jose Sharks
Location: Orange, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

Jun 2 @ 7:42 PM ET
Yes, let's keep trading our young talent for the possibility of getting more young talent!
bobert836
New Jersey Devils
Location: Buying a dolphin and putting it in your swimming pool makes more sense, BC
Joined: 06.19.2010

Jun 2 @ 7:51 PM ET
Yes, let's keep trading our young talent for the possibility of getting more young talent!
- Steve Palumbo


I mean we're DOOMED anyway, so why not?
_Zippy_
New Jersey Devils
Location: Threw one in front blocked the, NJ
Joined: 01.26.2012

Jun 2 @ 8:01 PM ET
Yes, let's keep trading our young talent for the possibility of getting more young talent!
- Steve Palumbo


Josefson is stuck behind Zajac-Henrique and questionably Loktionov.

Urbom is stuck behind our six NHL defenseman signed, along with Lou's boneheadedness to want Zidlicky and Harrold both back next year. Plus Merrill and Gelinas are arguably going to be vying for a roster spot with him.

I'd rather add a game breaking LW forward, then keep guys who will have trouble cracking the roster at their respective positions.
SMSB
New York Rangers
Joined: 05.08.2008

Jun 2 @ 9:19 PM ET
Josefson is stuck behind Zajac-Henrique and questionably Loktionov.

Urbom is stuck behind our six NHL defenseman signed, along with Lou's boneheadedness to want Zidlicky and Harrold both back next year. Plus Merrill and Gelinas are arguably going to be vying for a roster spot with him.

I'd rather add a game breaking LW forward, then keep guys who will have trouble cracking the roster at their respective positions.

- _Zippy_


Devils need help now, I don't know if they have the luxury of waiting for a kid to develop to his full potential.

If I were Lou, and I looked like a baby bird, I would consider a deal where I trade the 9th overall for Burmistrov...
bobert836
New Jersey Devils
Location: Buying a dolphin and putting it in your swimming pool makes more sense, BC
Joined: 06.19.2010

Jun 2 @ 9:41 PM ET
Devils need help now, I don't know if they have the luxury of waiting for a kid to develop to his full potential.

If I were Lou, and I looked like a baby bird, I would consider a deal where I trade the 9th overall for Burmistrov...

- Suckmysweatybawls


The idea would be that Nichushkin can help us immediately
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Jun 2 @ 9:52 PM ET
I think the anti Larsson fans are proving to be among the elite morons of the site
dmarsden2988
New Jersey Devils
Location: stafford is about equal to rya, NJ
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jun 2 @ 10:13 PM ET
Devils need help now, I don't know if they have the luxury of waiting for a kid to develop to his full potential.

If I were Lou, and I looked like a baby bird, I would consider a deal where I trade the 9th overall for Burmistrov...

- Suckmysweatybawls


while he has a bunch of skill he hasnt shown he is worth a top 10 pick in this years draft, very possible the devils land a more skilled player who may have a bigger impact at 9 or wherever the devils draft
rmdevil313
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Your a (frank)ing fag and I hope you get crippled- Cranny, MN
Joined: 01.05.2009

Jun 3 @ 12:01 AM ET
Devils need help now, I don't know if they have the luxury of waiting for a kid to develop to his full potential.

If I were Lou, and I looked like a baby bird, I would consider a deal where I trade the 9th overall for Burmistrov...

- Suckmysweatybawls


Burmistrov is unproven and leaning more towards a bust than reaching his potential. I wouldn't mind looking at burmistrov, but not for the 9th overall. If we're dealing the pick, I want to package it for someone proven.
TheJerseyDevil1
New Jersey Devils
Location: Brick City, NJ
Joined: 10.05.2011

Jun 3 @ 1:14 AM ET
Not worth it. Especially for an unsure thing like him. He's got incredible upside, but so did Nikolai Zherdev, Nikita Filatov, and Alex Radulov. All three of them were nightmares that no longer play in this league. I'd rather take the sure thing in Shinkaruk or Monahan and avoid the possibility of a flop/headache. Not to mention we wouldnt have to add insult to injury by paying to move up.
archromat
Location: Moncton, NB
Joined: 01.16.2012

Jun 3 @ 5:42 AM ET
Not worth it. Especially for an unsure thing like him. He's got incredible upside, but so did Nikolai Zherdev, Nikita Filatov, and Alex Radulov. All three of them were nightmares that no longer play in this league. I'd rather take the sure thing in Shinkaruk or Monahan and avoid the possibility of a flop/headache. Not to mention we wouldnt have to add insult to injury by paying to move up.
- TheJerseyDevil1


Radulov is a really good player, just hot headed. He wasn't a bust... he was just the "Russian factor" kickin in.
TheJerseyDevil1
New Jersey Devils
Location: Brick City, NJ
Joined: 10.05.2011

Jun 3 @ 7:28 AM ET
Radulov is a really good player, just hot headed. He wasn't a bust... he was just the "Russian factor" kickin in.
- archromat


Never said radulov was a bust, I said all three of them aren't in the league anymore and that they were either flops OR (in radulov's case) a headache that wasn't worth the trouble of drafting high in the first round
Popcorn Kid
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 02.21.2008

Jun 3 @ 9:20 AM ET
Does anyone know when or even if you can buy a ticket for the draft in Newark?
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