Remember that even though it seems like they were just drafted yesterday, we're coming right up on that time for the "once in a decade" type players like Crosby, Ovechkin, and Malkin to come around again.
- JAKEw1234

mcdavid in 2015

We should remember that Dubnyk plays with a terrible D-Corps. If he had a crew with even one bonafide top pairing D-man his numbers would be lights out!
- steve362

no kidding. If you have a .921 where Petry is your #1 D man, then you're surely good enough to be a #1

geez people

Remember that even though it seems like they were just drafted yesterday, we're coming right up on that time for the "once in a decade" type players like Crosby, Ovechkin, and Malkin to come around again.
- JAKEw1234

As a KHL rookie Malkin had 12 pts in 34 games, Nichushkin had 6 in 18...really hard to predict what their NHL careers are gonna be like going by KHL stats..I think you gotta see the person live to get an idea more so than prospects in other leagues.

mcdavid in 2015
- TheNugeIsHuge

Also Mackinnon and Jones. I don't remember the last time someone was heralded as a generational talent from the 5th-6th spot.

That's pretty friggin bold, but depending on the players we bring in could be something to consider.

I don't think we need to trade the 7th per se, I'd just put whomever we pick on the backburner and not try to depend on them to have an NHL impact for the next couple of years.

I also think we could get by bringing in a whole lot of St Louis or Nashville style gritty role players to surrounding our skill players. This offseason, 2-3 two million dollar forwards trumps 1 five million dollar forward.

On defense, I think we need the 5 million high end defenseman, but I don't think many of them are kicking around in free agency.
- Morris

When I said trade eberle forgot that Hemmer is likely gone so we will need him on the RW.

I think a couple obtainable targets to add some size and grit to our lineup would be:
Matthias
King
Reeves
Horton is a pipe dream but he's big can score and shows up in the playoffs. He's the ideal ufa.

As for the 7th I'm personally not a fan of trading the pick unless we are a cup contender. Keep trading first rounders is a good way to keep you mediocre for a long time. See Calgary. I just threw out options. I still prefer to move up to get a near sure thing of a prospect.

If we move down I would look to get a close to nhl ready big body centre, Boone Jenner was my example yesterday.

would you trade Bailey,a better younger Nielsen, and a 7th overall pick for a 4th overall pick for an unproven prospect that for all we know could sh1t the bed in NA and return to the KHL?
- TheNugeIsHuge

you realize that the "picks and prospects are worthless because they could flop" logic is akin to saying "no young player is worth more than their last point total because they could regress instead of improving" right?

So Nuge, Yak, Eberle, all okay at best.

I could see the oil dealing with carolina cause they have a history of dealing with eachother plus the oil have enough d prospects to trade one to carolina plus our first for there's. If nichushkin goes at 4 then the oil take barkov and if barkov goes at 4then u take nichushkin and have him and yaks play together in the future. Carolina then takes a defenceman with the seventh and they set there defence up for a couple more yrs.

As a KHL rookie Malkin had 12 pts in 34 games, Nichushkin had 6 in 18...really hard to predict what their NHL careers are gonna be like going by KHL stats..I think you gotta see the person live to get an idea more so than prospects in other leagues.
- oilers2k14

Malkin had 32P in 52GP in russia at 19, .62PPG. Yakupov had 18P in 22GP in russia at 19, .82PPG. Can't say Yak is gonna be the player malkin is.

If he's ranked as high as like 9th-10th by some agencies, I don't think he's worth tearing apart the top 6

I could see the oil dealing with carolina cause they have a history of dealing with eachother plus the oil have enough d prospects to trade one to carolina plus our first for there's. If nichushkin goes at 4 then the oil take barkov and if barkov goes at 4then u take nichushkin and have him and yaks play together in the future. Carolina then takes a defenceman with the seventh and they set there defence up for a couple more yrs.
- BleedOil06

So Klefbom plus the 7th for the 5th pick!!

you realize that the "picks and prospects are worthless because they could flop" logic is akin to saying "no young player is worth more than their last point total because they could regress instead of improving" right?

So Nuge, Yak, Eberle, all okay at best.
- muffin_man

you don't trade away 2/3s of your second line and a 7th overall to move up 3 spots!! I can't even comprehend that I have to explain this to someone.

So Klefbom plus the 7th for the 5th pick!!
- newmy

Don't trade roster players to move up!!! Trade picks!! Perpetual rebuild on the minds of all today it seems

So Klefbom plus the 7th for the 5th pick!!
- newmy

Haha nice try I should have clarified d prospects not named klefbom haha

you realize that the "picks and prospects are worthless because they could flop" logic is akin to saying "no young player is worth more than their last point total because they could regress instead of improving" right?

So Nuge, Yak, Eberle, all okay at best.
- muffin_man

also Nuge had a torn labrum all season, hence his 5% shooting percentage

Your minor league farm system lacks talent. Sorry, Laughton or Cousins doesn't get this done. You will have to give up someone like Brayden Schenn to move up. He is hardly "Lindrosian".
- Oneonta Penguin

"Lindrosian" is a reference to the number of pieces given up to acquire one, ala the Lindros deal. It has nothing to do with a single player being "Lindrosian", at least in the way I used it (referring to Ek's post).

6) At 1 a.m. (et) the morning of the draft, June 20, Aubut presented Flyers president Jay Snider with a card listing the asking price, in take-it-or-leave-it fashion: Ricci, Hextall, Duchesne, Huffman, Forsberg, Philly’s seventh overall pick, a first-round selection in 1993 and $15 million.

And I'm not even sure that's the full package dealt for Lindros, but it gets the point across.

http://flyersfaithful.com...dros-deal-20-years-later/

you realize that the "picks and prospects are worthless because they could flop" logic is akin to saying "no young player is worth more than their last point total because they could regress instead of improving" right?

So Nuge, Yak, Eberle, all okay at best.
- muffin_man

It could be that the guy is great. Way better than all three players put together.

But it's not like Gagner and Paajarvi are 30 year old veteran completely known commodities. We've seen encouraging returns on their play so far, and they're still an unknown for each as to whether they'll get better. In short, never mind knowing what we're acquiring, we're not entirely sure of what we're trading.

Now consider in the scheme of the Oilers organization, Gagner and Paajarvi might be our most tradeable assets in the endeavour of improving countless needs. To trade them AND the 7th overall for a shot at Nikushkin is in my mind a fools errand. We need a better idea of what we're getting in return for a package like that.

Sidebar: Didn't you use to be a Canadiens fan?

you realize that the "picks and prospects are worthless because they could flop" logic is akin to saying "no young player is worth more than their last point total because they could regress instead of improving" right?

So Nuge, Yak, Eberle, all okay at best.
- muffin_man

So is your logic "since we can't say that picks and prospects are worthless because they could flop, we must consider prospects to be as valuable as if they reached their full potential"?

you don't trade away 2/3s of your second line and a 7th overall to move up 3 spots!! I can't even comprehend that I have to explain this to someone.


- TheNugeIsHuge

Moving up from say 14th to 17th is completely different than from 7th to 4th..the type of player you can get at number four is on a whole different level than what you can get at number seven..14th to 17th the difference isn't worth more than a 3rd round pick usually. If two thirds of your 2nd liners are only half of what 4th overall projects to become then you make the trade because in the end you have a better team even if it feels like an overpayment today.

Moving up from say 14th to 17th is completely different than from 7th to 4th..the type of player you can get at number four is on a whole different level than what you can get at number seven..14th to 17th the difference isn't worth more than a 3rd round pick usually. If two thirds of your 2nd liners are only half of what 4th overall projects to become then you make the trade because in the end you have a better team even if it feels like an overpayment today.
- oilers2k14

My two issues are bolded

a) he might not get there. I'm not as disappointed as you seem to be with Paajarvi and Gagner. I also don't think I'm being foolish to suggest that development for Nish might not happen quicker than either of those guys.

b) you create so many holes in the roster with this move that "in the end" is further down the road such that by the time Nish does reach his potential (if he does) a lot of the team we have in place now may have moved on.

Moving up from say 14th to 17th is completely different than from 7th to 4th..the type of player you can get at number four is on a whole different level than what you can get at number seven..14th to 17th the difference isn't worth more than a 3rd round pick usually. If two thirds of your 2nd liners are only half of what 4th overall projects to become then you make the trade because in the end you have a better team even if it feels like an overpayment today.
- oilers2k14

the top 3 is on a different tier. Nichushkin is not an elite talent. The 7th overall could be a top pairing D man in Nurse.

Would you trade a top pairing D, a fringe 1C, and a fringe 2LW for a pretty good 1LW?

the top 3 is on a different tier. Nichushkin is not an elite talent. The 7th overall could be a top pairing D man in Nurse.

Would you trade a top pairing D, a fringe 1C, and a fringe 2LW for a pretty good 1LW?
- TheNugeIsHuge

I agree that you don't trade that much to move up you just create more holes in the roster.
You trade a package of picks or a prospect and a pick. Imagine if they traded gags paajarvi and the first and it turned out nichushkin is the next filatov? Who was just as highly touted as nichushkin.

the top 3 is on a different tier. Nichushkin is not an elite talent. The 7th overall could be a top pairing D man in Nurse.

Would you trade a top pairing D, a fringe 1C, and a fringe 2LW for a pretty good 1LW?
- TheNugeIsHuge

If the top 3 were on another tier, I don't think there would be such serious talk, including an interviewer quoting Tampa in saying that they want to pick Nich at #3. I think the top 2 are on another tier. And Nich is an elite talent, even though Jones and Mackinnon are on another tier. I consider Dougie Hamilton and Couturier elite prospects, and they were selected #8 and #9 in a draft not nearly as stacked as this.

I agree that you don't trade that much to move up you just create more holes in the roster.
You trade a package of picks or a prospect and a pick. Imagine if they traded gags paajarvi and the first and it turned out nichushkin is the next filatov? Who was just as highly touted as nichushkin.
- BleedOil06

people don't understand what a high-risk prospect is and they don't understand team depth. If EDM traded Gagner, MPS and the 7th(brutal,brutal) and Nichushkin wasn't NHL ready here's what their lineup looks like
Hall-Nuge-Eberle
Yak-Horcoff-Hemsky
hartikainen-Lander-Jones
Brown-Vandevelde-Petrell

that's a first overall pick waiting to happen. But thanks for your insightful opininions everyone! Don't you hate it when I'm always right

If the top 3 were on another tier, I don't think there would be such serious talk, including an interviewer quoting Tampa in saying that they want to pick Nich at #3. I think the top 2 are on another tier. And Nich is an elite talent, even though Jones and Mackinnon are on another tier. I consider Dougie Hamilton and Couturier elite prospects, and they were selected #8 and #9 in a draft not nearly as stacked as this.
- JAKEw1234

where is this serious talk coming from? Rumor blogs on the internet?

Couturier slipped and that was a surprise. Nichushkin could just as easily slip due to russian factor. Then EDM could again waste 2/3s of their 2nd line and destroy the team's depth on one of the dumbest moves in franchise history! Another 1st overall around the corner with these armchair GMs

where is this serious talk coming from? Rumor blogs on the internet?

Couturier slipped and that was a surprise. Nichushkin could just as easily slip due to russian factor. Then EDM could again waste 2/3s of their 2nd line and destroy the team's depth on one of the dumbest moves in franchise history! Another 1st overall around the corner with these armchair GMs


- TheNugeIsHuge

No someone did an interview with Nich, where he announced he would be playing in NA next season. The interviewer informed him that Tampa had apparently said that if Nich committed to playing in NA next season then they would pick him at #3.

No someone did an interview with Nich, where he announced he would be playing in NA next season. The interviewer informed him that Tampa had apparently said that if Nich committed to playing in NA next season then they would pick him at #3.
- JAKEw1234

so why are we talking about moving to 4? If TB wants him so badly at 3 they wouldn't take any deal. NSH gets Drouin at 4, EDM doesn't need a small winger.