Does a Flame fan exist that ISN'T unbiased and fair?

(frank), I love you guys!
- Tee-Dot

I think my comments on reimer and dubby are more then fair .... How are they not ? There are so many goalies that have a good year or two and then disappear .... Oiler fans or leafs fans who say reimer or dubby are better then miller and luongo are being unfair and biased ... Those two have put up numbers for years and have won big games ... To say your goalies are better then proven nhl starters because they had a year or so with good numbers is 100% unfair and biased

I like the idea of targeting a byfuglien , I think yandle is a tough one but the yotes might have to move him

I agree with the first two parts of your comparison but I'm not sold on gagner =voracek
- Redmile247

Here's Voracek's stats in Columbus before being traded (he was picked one pick after Gagner in 2007)
2008–09 Columbus Blue Jackets NHL 80 9 29 38
2009–10 Columbus Blue Jackets NHL 81 16 34 50
2010–11 Columbus Blue Jackets NHL 80 14 32 46

He was playing 16:58 a night in Columbus with lots of PP and no PK.

Even to date he has 229 career points in 367 NHL games vs Gagner's 258 in 418. They've got to be pretty similar in value no?

Seriously, dude. I wouldn't question Price on 1 mediocre PO.
- TandA4Flames

in 6 seasons he's had 2 above .919. 2 seasons below league below league average

he just had a .905 this year and a .916(same as dubey last year) last year. I question why he's considered so good for sure

I actually give the nod to Dubey on this. He's older, more experienced and had the benefit of playing alongside a champion in Khabs (I can't believe I just said that, bwhaaa. Just threw up a little).

Reiner has had 1 pretty good season and a shortened one at that. That said, he has had PO experience now and Dubey is at the stage (27) that he is becoming what he will max out as. If he hasn't already.
- TandA4Flames

I'd say they're pretty close. Both play on defensively terrible teams and put up quite good numbers. Consistency will be key

Yeah I think for both teams it's a conversation for down the road...maybe sooner for Toronto not because Reimer is a lesser goalie but because they're further along as a team.

As far as stealing games maybe Dubby didn't steal enough but that's a tall order for any team! I do know he had these wins while being outshot
outshot by 10 vs Colorado, 33 saves
outshot by 14 vs Calgary, 33 saves
outshot by 10 vs Nasvhille, 29 saves
outshot by 3 vs Colorado , 35 save shutout
outshot by 26 vs Columbus ,39 saves
outshot by 7 vs Phoenix , 27 saves
outshot by 11 vs Colorado, 37 saves

And a handful of OTLs he kept us in
outshot by 11 vs SJ, 35 saves
outshot by 15 vs Van, 37 saves
outshot by 9 vs CLB, 34 saves
outshot by 7 vs SJ, 30 saves

which to me is about as good as you could hope for.
- Morris

Those a pretty decent , ill agree he may have stole more then I thought . Ill tell you what if he can do that again next year along with limit the soft goals at the wrong time ( this may be his only problem ) and get the oil into the playoffs then ill change my tune

Those a pretty decent , ill agree he may have stole more then I thought . Ill tell you what if he can do that again next year along with limit the soft goals at the wrong time ( this may be his only problem ) and get the oil into the playoffs then ill change my tune
- Redmile247

aaaah I hate when people say that. Bobrovsky is about to win the vezina and he didn't get his team into the playoffs. Goalies can't carry teams

aaaah I hate when people say that. Bobrovsky is about to win the vezina and he didn't get his team into the playoffs. Goalies can't carry teams
- TheNugeIsHuge

Sorry I didn't mean carry them , just be the starter all year and have the oil make it ... Is that better lol

Those a pretty decent , ill agree he may have stole more then I thought . Ill tell you what if he can do that again next year along with limit the soft goals at the wrong time ( this may be his only problem ) and get the oil into the playoffs then ill change my tune
- Redmile247

Oh yeah his consistency could definitely improve, he's a physical specimen with a Luongo brain

for the number of soft goals they let it, they make the same amount of game saving saves.

Aren't you a Montreal fan? You should be worried about a #1 goalie
- TheNugeIsHuge

And I know you would trade Dubynk for Price in a heart-beat which says what??

And I know you would trade Dubynk for Price in a heart-beat which says what??
- newmy

I wouldn't. Price just had a .905. Good for 51st in the league. Not saying I think Dubey is better, but Price has done squat lately to say he's an above average goalie

Oh yeah his consistency could definitely improve, he's a physical specimen with a Luongo brain
- Morris

Haha that's a great description

in 6 seasons he's had 2 above .919. 2 seasons below league below league average

he just had a .905 this year and a .916(same as dubey last year) last year. I question why he's considered so good for sure
- TheNugeIsHuge

You don't like GAA and I like seeing-is-believing. You guys all unrest and that Dubey let's in weak goals at bad times, but that is where Price is different. He has demonstrated that he can keep his team in it and more often than not, makes the big save when needed. He's played on some pretty mediocre teams and is younger than Dubey. JMO but I take Price over Dubey always!! And that's not a knock on Dubey.

You don't like GAA and I like seeing-is-believing. You guys all unrest and that Dubey let's in weak goals at bad times, but that is where Price is different. He has demonstrated that he can keep his team in it and more often than not, makes the big save when needed. He's played on some pretty mediocre teams and is younger than Dubey. JMO but I take Price over Dubey always!! And that's not a knock on Dubey.
- TandA4Flames

I don't know how you can use mediocre teams as an argument for Price. Dubey's played on the worst team in the league 3 times with average-above average stats, and the 7th worst team in the league with great stats.

Price was on the 4th best team in the league this year and had a .905!! That's awful. His team keeps him in. Not the other way around lately.

Again not saying I'd take Dubey over him, but he's been average-below average the past few seasons but because of what the media builds him up to be people think he's amazing.

Those a pretty decent , ill agree he may have stole more then I thought . Ill tell you what if he can do that again next year along with limit the soft goals at the wrong time ( this may be his only problem ) and get the oil into the playoffs then ill change my tune
- Redmile247

The question is can he do it for an entire season? My concern would be that he stole some of those games but near the end, when the Oil were so close to making the PO, he flopped like the rest of the team.

So, does that mean he lacks the stamina or ability to steal games late in the season when it matters? Maybe.

aaaah I hate when people say that. Bobrovsky is about to win the vezina and he didn't get his team into the playoffs. Goalies can't carry teams
- TheNugeIsHuge

Ok, I completely disagree with that. We've watched Kipper carry the Flames for years. This rebuild would have started years ago if he wasn't making the team look decent.

Same with Miller in BUF a few years ago.

Goalies can and do carry teams.

Here's Voracek's stats in Columbus before being traded (he was picked one pick after Gagner in 2007)
2008–09 Columbus Blue Jackets NHL 80 9 29 38
2009–10 Columbus Blue Jackets NHL 81 16 34 50
2010–11 Columbus Blue Jackets NHL 80 14 32 46

He was playing 16:58 a night in Columbus with lots of PP and no PK.

Even to date he has 229 career points in 367 NHL games vs Gagner's 258 in 418. They've got to be pretty similar in value no?
- Morris

Maybe they are closer then i think , but voracek size puts him ahead of gagner ... But you are starting to sell me more and more

Ok, I completely disagree with that. We've watched Kipper carry the Flames for years. This rebuild would have started years ago if he wasn't making the team look decent.

Same with Miller in BUF a few years ago.

Goalies can and do carry teams.
- TandA4Flames

a team with a good fighting chance. Bobrovsky just had a .932!!! That's incredible. He's surely winning the vezina yet his team didn't make the playoffs!! Goalies can't single handedly bring their teams to the playoffs

The question is can he do it for an entire season? My concern would be that he stole some of those games but near the end, when the Oil were so close to making the PO, he flopped like the rest of the team.

So, does that mean he lacks the stamina or ability to steal games late in the season when it matters? Maybe.
- TandA4Flames

He was actually playing like he was for most of the season. Just being heaviily outshot and EDM couldn't score for sh1t

I think my comments on reimer and dubby are more then fair .... How are they not ? There are so many goalies that have a good year or two and then disappear .... Oiler fans or leafs fans who say reimer or dubby are better then miller and luongo are being unfair and biased ... Those two have put up numbers for years and have won big games ... To say your goalies are better then proven nhl starters because they had a year or so with good numbers is 100% unfair and biased
- Redmile247

Dude!... I was being sincere! I honestly have never ran into a Flame fan who's a douchebag... other than Whipper. You guys are prettly level-headed.

The question is can he do it for an entire season? My concern would be that he stole some of those games but near the end, when the Oil were so close to making the PO, he flopped like the rest of the team.

So, does that mean he lacks the stamina or ability to steal games late in the season when it matters? Maybe.
- TandA4Flames

This has to be a concern and if any moves are made to upgrade the goaltending that will be why

a team with a good fighting chance. Bobrovsky just had a .932!!! That's incredible. He's surely winning the vezina yet his team didn't make the playoffs!! Goalies can't single handedly bring their teams to the playoffs
- TheNugeIsHuge

Of course that's incredible and it's over a shortened season, not likely sustainable. They almost made the PO so to say a goalie can't single handedly carry his team into PO is arguable and by your own reasoning.

I don't get how you can say that GAA means sh!t but constantly talk about save %. That stat says nothing of shot quality. That is why I would rather trust my eye. Kipper's #'s haven't exactly been stellar either of many of the past years yet most people referred to him as "elite." Why? Because he had the ability to steal games and make season highlight save when it mattered.

Price has shown he can rise to occasion, Dubnyk has not. The last 15 games were the PO for the Pilers and he failed miserably. That is where he needs to improve.

Dude!... I was being sincere! I honestly have never ran into a Flame fan who's a douchebag... other than Whipper. You guys are prettly level-headed.


- Tee-Dot

Haha sorry , I missed that one
Just so used to the constant flame bashing I guess I got defensive lol

I wouldn't. Price just had a .905. Good for 51st in the league. Not saying I think Dubey is better, but Price has done squat lately to say he's an above average goalie
- TheNugeIsHuge

And you would be on an island all to yourself because there's not one GM in the league that wouldn't take Price over Dubnyk in a heart-beat.

Haha sorry , I missed that one
Just so used to the constant flame bashing I guess I got defensive lol
- Redmile247

How could anyone bash the Flames? What's not to like?

Dude!... I was being sincere! I honestly have never ran into a Flame fan who's a douchebag... other than Whipper. You guys are prettly level-headed.


- Tee-Dot

Yea, it took me second but I got it. Thanks on behalf of all level-headed Flames fans.