If oil pick up antti raana from the fin league the oil won't need to pick up a goalie in the draft
- BleedOil06

yeah Leaf fans said the same when Toronto signed the Monster and Rynnas

I disagree!! I think Eric Comrie is clearly on their radar!!
- newmy

How fun would years of Brossoit vs. Jarry be?

What the hell is he going to do?! Don't you know, CGY has the 2 best goalies not yet in the NHL on board.
- TandA4Flames

Don't worry after one season with the flames and they will be bookinh the first flight backto europe haha

I wouldn't call Cloutier "most fans". In fact I think you'll find about 90% of oilers fans would consider upgrading Gagner to be necessary for winning a cup. I wouldn't go that far, but there are players of his calibre being moved all the time.

Gagner +7th + Hemsky/prospect/3rd is not that far off from Voracek + 8th + 3rd for Carter or Sutter + 8th + Dumoulin for Staal so when people are talking about trading Gagner in a package for a top dman I think that's what they're getting at.
- Morris

Trust me I know that there is a major disconnect between what oilers fans think and clouts

It's not that far off but not as close either , voracek and couts to me had more trade value then gagner hemsky/prospect , but maybe I'm undervaluing

If u want to make those kinda of deals you have to find a player in those kind of circumstances , carter had a party rep and Staal wanted to go to Carolina .... when your offering a package for a top end guy that doesn't have to be moved you have to over pay to the extent of it being pointless ... Now if you can't find a players in need of a change of scenery that's another story

How fun would years of Brossoit vs. Jarry be?
- TandA4Flames

I like Jarry but I think the Oilers value Comrie more.

I can't wait for the draft because after Jones & MacKinnon are gone, picks 3 thru 10 are going to be very interesting.

Jarry.
- TandA4Flames

Jarry had ridiculous numbers this year, but next year EDM loses Lowe, Gernat, Musil, possibly reinhart.

There is no way you can consider Reimer or Dubnyk a legit #1 goalie - yet.

Both allow too many soft goals so in other words, inconsistent is the best way to describe them at this stage of their careers. Can they become better, yes because they have youth on their side but I just totally disagree with anyone who thinks they are legit #1's right now - stats or no stats aside.

And if you listen to MacT, he echos the same sentiments which is why the Oilers will be grabbing a goalie in the 2nd round for sure, if not late first should they acquire another pick in that round.
- newmy

for the number of soft goals they let it, they make the same amount of game saving saves.

Aren't you a Montreal fan? You should be worried about a #1 goalie

just reading thru this, in what way do you think the hawks are gonna trade seabrook ? he wont get moved, especially with no guys in the farm to step up besides clending who is nowhere near seabs level at D, what hawks have to worry is leddy is a rfa at seasons end, and imo he is very important to sign as i think he is the #3 D on the team, but i wouldnt be shocked tho if they moved hjammer, if any got traded he would be the guy

Trust me I know that there is a major disconnect between what oilers fans think and clouts

It's not that far off but not as close either , voracek and couts to me had more trade value then gagner hemsky/prospect , but maybe I'm undervaluing

If u want to make those kinda of deals you have to find a player in those kind of circumstances , carter had a party rep and Staal wanted to go to Carolina .... when your offering a package for a top end guy that doesn't have to be moved you have to over pay to the extent of it being pointless ... Now if you can't find a players in need of a change of scenery that's another story
- Redmile247

Well in terms of those deals Couts is analogous to the 7th overall in this a supposedly deep draft (he was drafted 8th with the acquired pick), while Hemmer/prospect takes the place of the 3rd rounder. Voracek then vs. Gagner now also seems fairly balanced imo.

We don't know who is or isn't available. We've heard the likes of Byfuglien and Yandle get bandied about a lot now, and Subban last year. I don't think the Oilers are chasing an overpay but on the other hand if a major player is being shopped I do think a package featuring Gagner and a top pick could be used to fetch such a player.

just reading thru this, in what way do you think the hawks are gonna trade seabrook ? he wont get moved, especially with no guys in the farm to step up besides clending who is nowhere near seabs level at D, what hawks have to worry is leddy is a rfa at seasons end, and imo he is very important to sign as i think he is the #3 D on the team, but i wouldnt be shocked tho if they moved hjammer, if any got traded he would be the guy
- Hawkeyes

Agreed seabrook is to important to you guys. Calmed down toews in a big game and also scored that big OT goal no way he goes

So is Reimer a top ten goalie in the NHL? 8th in save percentage and a better gaa than Dubnyk
- jribout

Reimer and dubby both could become legit #1 goalies , but neither are ... Having said that they have both done enough to get the starting job for their teams next year . To me reimer is ahead of dubby , he stole games and got his team into the playoffs when the leafs played like garbage , and when the oil struggled dubby couldn't steal games , I think the leafs defense is better then the oil so ill give dubby that one , but Reims gained some playoff experience

But if either if these teams were in a position to make the playoffs and try and win a few rounds then they might be inclined to upgrade to a proven nhl starter

just reading thru this, in what way do you think the hawks are gonna trade seabrook ? he wont get moved, especially with no guys in the farm to step up besides clending who is nowhere near seabs level at D, what hawks have to worry is leddy is a rfa at seasons end, and imo he is very important to sign as i think he is the #3 D on the team, but i wouldnt be shocked tho if they moved hjammer, if any got traded he would be the guy
- Hawkeyes

Makes sense. I brought up Seabrook as a pie in the sky possibility. Like a few years down the road as Seabrook was getting older but still had good years left if Leddy and/or Hjalmarsson were ready to take his place.

I think the Oilers would be interested in the likes of Hjalmarsson this offseason though

Don't worry after one season with the flames and they will be bookinh the first flight backto europe haha
- BleedOil06

I'm sure Raana is the saviour you've been waiting for. Or maybe it's Belov? There could be a mad rush out of Alberta at the end of the season.

Reimer and dubby both could become legit #1 goalies , but neither are ... Having said that they have both done enough to get the starting job for their teams next year . To me reimer is ahead of dubby , he stole games and got his team into the playoffs when the leafs played like garbage , and when the oil struggled dubby couldn't steal games , I think the leafs defense is better then the oil so ill give dubby that one , but Reims gained some playoff experience

But if either if these teams were in a position to make the playoffs and try and win a few rounds then they might be inclined to upgrade to a proven nhl starter
- Redmile247

Does a Flame fan exist that ISN'T unbiased and fair?

(frank), I love you guys!

I'm sure Raana is the saviour you've been waiting for. Or maybe it's Belov? There could be a mad rush out of Alberta at the end of the season.
- TandA4Flames

Cervenka (the "50+ point centre") style?

Reimer and dubby both could become legit #1 goalies , but neither are ... Having said that they have both done enough to get the starting job for their teams next year . To me reimer is ahead of dubby , he stole games and got his team into the playoffs when the leafs played like garbage , and when the oil struggled dubby couldn't steal games , I think the leafs defense is better then the oil so ill give dubby that one , but Reims gained some playoff experience

But if either if these teams were in a position to make the playoffs and try and win a few rounds then they might be inclined to upgrade to a proven nhl starter
- Redmile247

I agree Reimer's probably a step ahead of Dubey right now. Although if you don't think Dubey stole any games for EDM, that shows how few games you watched. Like when Dubey totally blew the game by letting in 1 goal against CBJ when they were outshot 40-14 and still won 3-1. aye

just reading thru this, in what way do you think the hawks are gonna trade seabrook ? he wont get moved, especially with no guys in the farm to step up besides clending who is nowhere near seabs level at D, what hawks have to worry is leddy is a rfa at seasons end, and imo he is very important to sign as i think he is the #3 D on the team, but i wouldnt be shocked tho if they moved hjammer, if any got traded he would be the guy
- Hawkeyes

I think someone said that he'd love seabrook to become available but it wouldn't happen. Say EDM drafts Monahan and he makes the team out of camp. Would you trade Hjalmarsson for Gagner?

Why is this surprising? Nichushkin's been set to go withing the top 5 for a while now...

I agree Reimer's probably a step ahead of Dubey right now. Although if you don't think Dubey stole any games for EDM, that shows how few games you watched. Like when Dubey totally blew the game by letting in 1 goal against CBJ when they were outshot 40-14 and still won 3-1. aye
- TheNugeIsHuge

I personally have nothing bad to say about Dubnyk.

Then again I never watch any games either.

His stats look dece but yet you guys still lose.

I'm guessing it's yur D that takes the blame?

Well in terms of those deals Couts is analogous to the 7th overall in this a supposedly deep draft (he was drafted 8th with the acquired pick), while Hemmer/prospect takes the place of the 3rd rounder. Voracek then vs. Gagner now also seems fairly balanced imo.

We don't know who is or isn't available. We've heard the likes of Byfuglien and Yandle get bandied about a lot now, and Subban last year. I don't think the Oilers are chasing an overpay but on the other hand if a major player is being shopped I do think a package featuring Gagner and a top pick could be used to fetch such a player.
- Morris

I like the idea of targeting a byfuglien , I think yandle is a tough one but the yotes might have to move him

I agree with the first two parts of your comparison but I'm not sold on gagner =voracek

I personally have nothing bad to say about Dubnyk.

Then again I never watch any games either.

His stats look dece but yet you guys still lose.

I'm guessing it's yur D that takes the blame?
- Tee-Dot

EDM allows the second most shots per game. TO allows fourth most. Toronto and EDM were tied with Vancouver and Detroit in SV% so I don't see why newmy and co are concerned about EDM and TO goaltending. Montreal's goaltending was 18th

I agree Reimer's probably a step ahead of Dubey right now. Although if you don't think Dubey stole any games for EDM, that shows how few games you watched. Like when Dubey totally blew the game by letting in 1 goal against CBJ when they were outshot 40-14 and still won 3-1. aye
- TheNugeIsHuge

I actually give the nod to Dubey on this. He's older, more experienced and had the benefit of playing alongside a champion in Khabs (I can't believe I just said that, bwhaaa. Just threw up a little).

Reiner has had 1 pretty good season and a shortened one at that. That said, he has had PO experience now and Dubey is at the stage (27) that he is becoming what he will max out as. If he hasn't already.

Aren't you a Montreal fan? You should be worried about a #1 goalie
- TheNugeIsHuge

Seriously, dude. I wouldn't question Price on 1 mediocre PO.

Reimer and dubby both could become legit #1 goalies , but neither are ... Having said that they have both done enough to get the starting job for their teams next year . To me reimer is ahead of dubby , he stole games and got his team into the playoffs when the leafs played like garbage , and when the oil struggled dubby couldn't steal games , I think the leafs defense is better then the oil so ill give dubby that one , but Reims gained some playoff experience

But if either if these teams were in a position to make the playoffs and try and win a few rounds then they might be inclined to upgrade to a proven nhl starter
- Redmile247

Yeah I think for both teams it's a conversation for down the road...maybe sooner for Toronto not because Reimer is a lesser goalie but because they're further along as a team.

As far as stealing games maybe Dubby didn't steal enough but that's a tall order for any team! I do know he had these wins while being outshot
outshot by 10 vs Colorado, 33 saves
outshot by 14 vs Calgary, 33 saves
outshot by 10 vs Nasvhille, 29 saves
outshot by 3 vs Colorado , 35 save shutout
outshot by 26 vs Columbus ,39 saves
outshot by 7 vs Phoenix , 27 saves
outshot by 11 vs Colorado, 37 saves

And a handful of OTLs he kept us in
outshot by 11 vs SJ, 35 saves
outshot by 15 vs Van, 37 saves
outshot by 9 vs CLB, 34 saves
outshot by 7 vs SJ, 30 saves

which to me is about as good as you could hope for.

I actually give the nod to Dubey on this. He's older, more experienced and had the benefit of playing alongside a champion in Khabs (I can't believe I just said that, bwhaaa. Just threw up a little).

Reiner has had 1 pretty good season and a shortened one at that. That said, he has had PO experience now and Dubey is at the stage (27) that he is becoming what he will max out as. If he hasn't already.
- TandA4Flames

2 pretty good "seasons" actually... his first and latest.

But yeah, in each of his last 3 years, he's only ranged between 33 and 37 GP.

I'm curious to see how he can handle a whole season.

Reimer's not out of the woods yet.

I also hear he's still (frank)ed in the head from game 7.

He can either grow on that or it could destroy him.

Jury's still out.