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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 2 @ 9:31 AM ET
The Sabres have Stafford, Leino and Sekera to use to sweeten a deal.
- garth


So, wait, what? In addition to trading some picks and prospects to move up, you now want to give up MORE for Nashville to take Leino's contract away as well?
Losman
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 08.30.2006

Jun 2 @ 9:38 AM ET
The Sabres are probably at least 3 seasons away from the playoffs. Unless they can move up by trading veterans who either won't be here (Vanek, Miller) or won't be as effective (possibly Ehrhoff) in 3 years - they should stay where they are and take the 2 best players available in their spots.

The Sabres will probably be the worst team in the EC next year if they do the right thing and trade away vets Miller, Stafford, Vanek. That will guarantee a shot at the #1 overall pick next year and at the very least a top 5 pick in the 2014 draft.

jbold
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Raymond adds sandpaper to the Leafs- FakePartofMe, ON
Joined: 07.18.2010

Jun 2 @ 10:02 AM ET
I like the way you think and I have been saying that they should do trades like this for the past month now. Who says we can't get the first and second overall picks in the draft (a.k.a. Vancouver's Sedin Twins) Get MacKinnon and Drouin or get MacKinnon and jones. Either way you get 2 cornerstones for your franchise.

BUT the sabres don't think that way. They are not creative at all and as much as i wanna see them move up to the top 3. They will unfortunately stay at 8,16,and keep both seconds to "add depth"

- BarUpHockey19

jbold
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Raymond adds sandpaper to the Leafs- FakePartofMe, ON
Joined: 07.18.2010

Jun 2 @ 10:05 AM ET
Not that anyone cares what I think, but assuming there aren't any trades regarding the picks leading up to the Sabres' selections...

1 - COL - MacKinnon
2 - FL - Jones
3 - TB - Nichushkin
4 - NASH - Barkov
5 - CAR - Drouin
6 - CAL - Monahan
7 - EDM - Nurse
8 - BUF - Lindholm
9 - NJ - Shinkaruk
10 - DAL - Ristolainen
11 - PHI - Zadorov
12 - PHX - Horvat
13 - WPG - Domi
14 - CBS - Mantha
15 - NYI - Zykov
16 - BUF - Erne

Deals I'd love to see...

Buffalo trades Tyler Ennis and a Draft Pick (NOT a 1st rd pick) to Anaheim for Bobby Ryan.

Buffalo trades Drew Stafford and #16 pick to Columbus for Nick Foligno and #14 pick... OR... Buffalo trades Stafford and first of two 2nd round picks to Columbus for Nick Foligno and LA Kings 1st round pick (prev acquired via Jeff Carter trade).

Big Dream deal... Buffalo trades Miller, Grigorenko and #8 pick to Colorado for #1 pick and Stastny. Roy could use Grigorenko on either 2nd or 3rd line, obtains his top-notch goalie and then can draft his young D-man (Nurse or Ristolainen) with #8 pick. Stastny has not played up to expectations the past 2 years and is in his contract year ($6.6 million) and Sabres get their franchise cornerstone with either MacKinnon (my preference) or Seth Jones.

If Big Dream Deal were to actually happen... then Sabres could package Vanek with a draft pick (reluctantly #16 most likely) to either trade up for Drouin (to pair with MacKinnon) or Nichushkin or Barkov (pair him with Armia).

- djc1877



It's called make them a deal they can't refuse, not make them a deal that they'll laugh at for days.
Topcheese_101
Joined: 04.25.2013

Jun 2 @ 10:13 AM ET
HOLY CHRIST. CAN PEOPLE NOT READ????? THAT'S WHY I INCLUDED EDMONTON. THAT'S WHAT A "/" SYMBOL IS FOR.
- LetsGoBuffalo75

Doesn't matter what symbol you use as a defenceman is not even being thought about with calgarys first pick.
BoBBeR56
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Leaf Nation, ON
Joined: 06.30.2010

Jun 2 @ 10:15 AM ET
Dupe...
BoBBeR56
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Leaf Nation, ON
Joined: 06.30.2010

Jun 2 @ 10:17 AM ET
Not that anyone cares what I think, but assuming there aren't any trades regarding the picks leading up to the Sabres' selections...

1 - COL - MacKinnon
2 - FL - Jones
3 - TB - Nichushkin
4 - NASH - Barkov
5 - CAR - Drouin
6 - CAL - Monahan
7 - EDM - Nurse
8 - BUF - Lindholm
9 - NJ - Shinkaruk
10 - DAL - Ristolainen
11 - PHI - Zadorov
12 - PHX - Horvat
13 - WPG - Domi
14 - CBS - Mantha
15 - NYI - Zykov
16 - BUF - Erne

Deals I'd love to see...

Buffalo trades Tyler Ennis and a Draft Pick (NOT a 1st rd pick) to Anaheim for Bobby Ryan.

Buffalo trades Drew Stafford and #16 pick to Columbus for Nick Foligno and #14 pick... OR... Buffalo trades Stafford and first of two 2nd round picks to Columbus for Nick Foligno and LA Kings 1st round pick (prev acquired via Jeff Carter trade).

Big Dream deal... Buffalo trades Miller, Grigorenko and #8 pick to Colorado for #1 pick and Stastny. Roy could use Grigorenko on either 2nd or 3rd line, obtains his top-notch goalie and then can draft his young D-man (Nurse or Ristolainen) with #8 pick. Stastny has not played up to expectations the past 2 years and is in his contract year ($6.6 million) and Sabres get their franchise cornerstone with either MacKinnon (my preference) or Seth Jones.

If Big Dream Deal were to actually happen... then Sabres could package Vanek with a draft pick (reluctantly #16 most likely) to either trade up for Drouin (to pair with MacKinnon) or Nichushkin or Barkov (pair him with Armia).

- djc1877


I'm sure you'd love to see that trade, but its VERY wishful thinking...you might get Ryan with the 8th and Ennis.
Buffalo--Sabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: 2 15/16, NY
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jun 2 @ 10:38 AM ET
Anybody else get flooded out last night?
newmy
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 06.15.2012

Jun 2 @ 10:47 AM ET
Yet AGAIN, that's why I said we could get Monahan, ***OR LINDHOLM.***
- LetsGoBuffalo75



And what i'm saying you might get Lindholm but if the Flames take the Swede, the Oilers will grab Monahan & you won't get either.

That's what i'm saying as well because both the Flames & Oilers love Monahan.
navinrjohnson
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are finally good, NY
Joined: 12.08.2009

Jun 2 @ 11:03 AM ET
Anybody else get flooded out last night?
- Buffalo--Sabres

nope

85 degrees and not a cloud in the sky
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jun 2 @ 11:12 AM ET
And what i'm saying you might get Lindholm but if the Flames take the Swede, the Oilers will grab Monahan & you won't get either.

That's what i'm saying as well because both the Flames & Oilers love Monahan.

- newmy

I wonder if the Oilers still love Stafford. Sabres should try to finagle the 7th and 8th pick.

To EDM: the 16th Stafford or Sekera+ the 38th for 7th

Draft Lindholm+ Ristolainen or Monahan+ Nurse, or use those picks to trade up into the top 3-5 and get Drouin or Barkov. Wishful thinking but for everyone throwing around trade scenarios, it doesn't cost what people think it does to move up. Read draft history
Rally_Shots
Joined: 07.24.2008

Jun 2 @ 11:28 AM ET
Cool, how poop faced were they and did they have chicks all around them?
- GilPerreault11


Nah, both seemed pretty normal. Roy had a couple of his buddies with him and they were just hanging out at the bar a few feet away from where I was standing. Kaleta I just walk in and never saw him again.
716buffalo
Joined: 05.31.2013

Jun 2 @ 11:34 AM ET
Vanek is not going anywhere, there going to retool & be good & van will sign
716buffalo
Joined: 05.31.2013

Jun 2 @ 11:36 AM ET
I wonder if the Oilers still love Stafford. Sabres should try to finagle the 7th and 8th pick.

To EDM: the 16th Stafford or Sekera+ the 38th for 7th

Draft Lindholm+ Ristolainen or Monahan+ Nurse, or use those picks to trade up into the top 3-5 and get Drouin or Barkov. Wishful thinking but for everyone throwing around trade scenarios, it doesn't cost what people think it does to move up. Read draft history

- sbroads24


Ecactly, i think miller + gets it done. We have tons of assets. Darcy is a real retard to mess this offseason up
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jun 2 @ 11:41 AM ET
Ecactly, i think miller + gets it done. We have tons of assets. Darcy is a real retard to mess this offseason up
- 716buffalo



1. Miller would never agree to a trade to Edmonton.

2. Edmonton would be stupid to trade the 7th overall for a guy that will only be the there for 1 season.

3. Edmonton wants a Big 2 Way Center.

4. Miller won't get you a 2013 1st as the values of this years 1st rounders are through the roof but will get you a 2014 1st.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jun 2 @ 11:50 AM ET
1. Miller would never agree to a trade to Edmonton.

2. Edmonton would be stupid to trade the 7th overall for a guy that will only be the there for 1 season.

3. Edmonton wants a Big 2 Way Center.

4. Miller won't get you a 2013 1st as the values of this years 1st rounders are through the roof but will get you a 2014 1st.

- dadeadhead

I would be suprised if EDM ends up drafting in their current slot. They could move down and take a 2way center since Monahan will be gone. Say Wenneberg. IMO they are gonna try to get quite a few roster players this offseason to try to make the playoffs, trading their pick is a start
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jun 2 @ 11:59 AM ET
I would be suprised if EDM ends up drafting in their current slot. They could move down and take a 2way center since Monahan will be gone. Say Wenneberg. IMO they are gonna try to get quite a few roster players this offseason to try to make the playoffs, trading their pick is a start
- sbroads24



They are looking to trade up to take Barkov.

If they do in fact trade their pick it won't be for Miller.
716buffalo
Joined: 05.31.2013

Jun 2 @ 12:04 PM ET
1. Miller would never agree to a trade to Edmonton.

2. Edmonton would be stupid to trade the 7th overall for a guy that will only be the there for 1 season.

3. Edmonton wants a Big 2 Way Center.

4. Miller won't get you a 2013 1st as the values of this years 1st rounders are through the roof but will get you a 2014 1st.

- dadeadhead


Didnt mean edm...

Miller, the 8th, & the 16 th , gets you colorados first. Call it overpayment i call it not drafting marginal players & finnally getting a cornerstone player.to build around.
Buffalo--Sabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: 2 15/16, NY
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jun 2 @ 12:09 PM ET
nope

85 degrees and not a cloud in the sky

- navinrjohnson



Yeah because I was asking people in Idaho.
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jun 2 @ 12:10 PM ET
Didnt mean edm...

Miller, the 8th, & the 16 th , gets you colorados first. Call it overpayment i call it not drafting marginal players & finnally getting a cornerstone player.to build around.

- 716buffalo



IMO Colorado and Florida swap picks.

Thus allowing Colorado to still take Jones and gain an extra pick or two,
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jun 2 @ 12:15 PM ET
Yeah because I was asking people in Idaho.
- Buffalo--Sabres

Idaho
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jun 2 @ 12:17 PM ET
They are looking to trade up to take Barkov.

If they do in fact trade their pick it won't be for Miller.

- dadeadhead

IMO they would be stupid to trade up. They should be filling out that roster as of now from the bottom up. They could add a top 6-9 guy or top 4 d by trading down and still getting a good player
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jun 2 @ 12:21 PM ET
IMO they would be stupid to trade up. They should be filling out that roster as of now from the bottom up. They could add a top 6-9 guy or top 4 d by trading down and still getting a good player
- sbroads24



Agreed but they want Barkov in a bad way.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jun 2 @ 12:31 PM ET
Agreed but they want Barkov in a bad way.
- dadeadhead


For good reason...
Best player in the draft IMO
It's gonna cost so much to trade up that hight though (I could see him go as high as 3rd)
We'd prob be better off trying to trade for him after a year or two & some of the draft hype wears off

If we stay at 8, I'd want either Lindholm or Ristolainen
Monahan, Nurse & Shinkaruk are other possibles...
3 of those 5 will be available for us to choose from

Nurse has the biggest "bust" potential of that group IMO, but they'll prob all be at least solid NHLers
Rally_Shots
Joined: 07.24.2008

Jun 2 @ 12:35 PM ET
Agreed but they want Barkov in a bad way.
- dadeadhead


I think with their new GM theyre going to make a move and trade away one of their top guys (RNH, Yakupov, Eberle, Hall) at the draft and or their first rounder to get better now.
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