Because that is a lot of scratch to pay for a 3rd line jam player, based on one good playoff. And Boston did a pretty good job of outskilling the Rangers as well, getting up and down the ice, possessing the puck, peppering Hank, et. The passes from Bergeron to Marchand, for example, were skill plays.
- Pete V

It isn't possible this guy is blossoming into the 2nd rd pick he was drafted as?

I have and I have; still want no part of this guy. In an anemic free agent market he is going to command upwards to four million a season. Grant it he looks awesome, in the postseason, but there isn't a long enough track record to justify this type of signing.

If they could sign this guy to a reasonable deal, than I am with you, but the market dictates the price and he is going to be one of the very few appealing gets this summer. The price is being driven up as each day passes. The Rangers need to take care of their own house before they go out and splurge on an unknown entity. A good playoff doesn't warrant a huge payday.
- MidnightMarauder

I understand the price has to be right. If he gets like 5.5 or something then I agree. He's worth 3.5 per and that was a number thrown around yesterday

It isn't possible this guy is blossoming into the 2nd rd pick he was drafted as?
- Slimtj100

No, at 27-28 years old, you are what you are (with very few exceptions). I don't want you to get me wrong. I like the guy. I think you are right to like him. But, I have no interest in him if he is going to take up $3.5 million of cap space long term, especially when the Rangers are going to be want to be players in the UFA market next summer. He's just not the guy I would want to spend that much money on. Indeed, I don't want to spend much money at all this summer on long term deals, because I don't think the quality is there.

I have and I have; still want no part of this guy. In an anemic free agent market he is going to command upwards to four million a season. Grant it he looks awesome, in the postseason, but there isn't a long enough track record to justify this type of signing.

If they could sign this guy to a reasonable deal, than I am with you, but the market dictates the price and he is going to be one of the very few appealing gets this summer. The price is being driven up as each day passes. The Rangers need to take care of their own house before they go out and splurge on an unknown entity. A good playoff doesn't warrant a huge payday.
- MidnightMarauder

Our own house got manhandled by Boston this year, Washington at times this year and by jersey last year.

It wasnt just the coach like everyone wants to believe

Our own house got manhandled by Boston this year, Washington at times this year and by jersey last year.

It wasnt just the coach like everyone wants to believe
- Slimtj100

The team also never had the puck. Whose fault was that?

The team also never had the puck. Whose fault was that?
- Pete V

The players. 2011-12, Rangers were solid in puck possession. Did the coach or system change?

No, at 27-28 years old, you are what you are (with very few exceptions). I don't want you to get me wrong. I like the guy. I think you are right to like him. But, I have no interest in him if he is going to take up $3.5 million of cap space long term, especially when the Rangers are going to be want to be players in the UFA market next summer. He's just not the guy I would want to spend that much money on. Indeed, I don't want to spend much money at all this summer on long term deals, because I don't think the quality is there.
- Pete V

I don't see how you can say a guy can't become a star later then expected

But you also say our window is small with hank, we need this kind of player...why are we gonna keep waiting? When you need to fill a need, you fill it

The team also never had the puck. Whose fault was that?
- Pete V

Because we're a small team!!!!

You want Bickell on that wall, you need Bickell on that wall!!!

I don't see how you can say a guy can't become a star later then expected

But you also say our window is small with hank, we need this kind of player...why are we gonna keep waiting? When you need to fill a need, you fill it
- Slimtj100

How many players can you name for me that became star players after 27 years old? There are a few, but as a general matter, by 27 years old, you kind of are what you are. If anything, in the modern day NHL at 27 years old, you are a couple of years away from the decline.

The players. 2011-12, Rangers were solid in puck possession. Did the coach or system change?
- airjan23

Did the coach coach the team to collapse below the hash marks in the defensive zone and not pressure the points at all or get the wings out in transition, or did the players just do that on their own accord?

I guess next year, with a new coach, we'll see if the Rangers have the puck more. Hard to imagine that they won't.

But, I will agree, its part the players fault as well, because when you play North-South North American hockey, and you have no forecheck, you aren't going to have the puck very much. And, to be fair to your point, they did lose a good deal of that in losing Dubinsky, Prust, Anisimov, Feds, et.

How many players can you name for me that became star players after 27 years old? There are a few, but as a general matter, by 27 years old, you kind of are what you are. If anything, in the modern day NHL at 27 years old, you are a couple of years away from the decline.
- Pete V

I would say that for the majority of players is where you start that decline.

I would say that for the majority of players is where you start that decline.
- climbdenali12

not this guy

The players. 2011-12, Rangers were solid in puck possession. Did the coach or system change?
- airjan23

The players sure as hell changed. We had rabid pit bulls on it. Now we got fkin poodles and chihuahuas

not this guy


- jimbro83

I think Dmen, like goalies, run on a different cycle as far as development. Player, mostly forwards, come up and play and have productive years in there mid 20's but are never heard from again.

God I cant believe we are even discussig Bickell at all. Any price we should pay him Hawks would be willign to pay too. If he prices himsel out of Chicago, he prices himself out for us. Its very obvious. He will be one of three things, a blackhawk, a player to help acap floor team dd salary and a servicable player, or a competitive teams mistake. Lets not be the 3rd one. End of story.

God I cant believe we are even discussig Bickell at all. Any price we should pay him Hawks would be willign to pay too. If he prices himsel out of Chicago, he prices himself out for us. Its very obvious. He will be one of three things, a blackhawk, a player to help acap floor team dd salary and a servicable player, or a competitive teams mistake. Lets not be the 3rd one. End of story.
- mrhattrick27

Yea because the signings of drury Gomez Richards and gaborik have all worked out so wonderfully. It's time for an organizational upheaval in thinking.

Yea because the signings of drury Gomez Richards and gaborik have all worked out so wonderful. It's time for an organizational upheaval in thinking.
- Slimtj100

The Drury signing is right in the sweet spot with what you want to do with Bickell. Overpaying a guy for playoff performance, and ignoring the fact that his career point production doesn't justify the salary that you gave him.

Gomez is an interesting case, because is bad as he was during the life of the contract, he was actually pretty decent with the Rangers from a pure production perspective. Good enough where the Habs thought he could be a number one center, and gave up Ryan McDonagh for him. Not to mention Higgins, who turned into Brandon Prust.

And Gaborik finished in the Top 5 in the league in goals twice for the Rangers. They then turned him into Dorsett, Brassard and Moore.

You said ealier in the day that Bryan Bickell was better than Bobby Ryan. You might be the world's biggest Bryan Bickell fan.

Yea because the signings of drury Gomez Richards and gaborik have all worked out so wonderfully. It's time for an organizational upheaval in thinking.
- Slimtj100

Gaborik was a good signing. But I am confused by your point.

The Drury signing is right in the sweet spot with what you want to due with Bickell. Overpaying a guy for playoff performance, and ignoring the fact that his career point production doesn't justify the salary that you gave him.

Gomez is an interesting case, because is bad as he was during the life of the contract, he was actually pretty decent with the Rangers from a pure production perspective. Good enough where the Habs thought he could be a number one center, and gave up Ryan McDonagh for him. Not to mention Higgins, who turned into Brandon Prust.

And Gaborik finished in the Top 5 in the league in goals twice for the Rangers. They then turned him into Dorsett, Brassard and Moore.

You said ealier in the day that Bryan Bickell was better than Bobby Ryan. You might be the world's biggest Bryan Bickell fan.
- Pete V

I thought it was a joke. And if not he may think we are signing Lucic and is just a little confused.

Gaborik was a good signing. But I am confused by your point.
- mrhattrick27

Meaning we haven't won jack shyt with them

The Drury signing is right in the sweet spot with what you want to do with Bickell. Overpaying a guy for playoff performance, and ignoring the fact that his career point production doesn't justify the salary that you gave him.

Gomez is an interesting case, because is bad as he was during the life of the contract, he was actually pretty decent with the Rangers from a pure production perspective. Good enough where the Habs thought he could be a number one center, and gave up Ryan McDonagh for him. Not to mention Higgins, who turned into Brandon Prust.

And Gaborik finished in the Top 5 in the league in goals twice for the Rangers. They then turned him into Dorsett, Brassard and Moore.

You said ealier in the day that Bryan Bickell was better than Bobby Ryan. You might be the world's biggest Bryan Bickell fan.
- Pete V

My point flew right over your head

Meaning we haven't won jack shyt with them
- Slimtj100

I thought that reaching the semi-finals was sufficient to give Torts a pass until 2025. Gaborik was on that team. Indeed, he scored 40+ goals for that team. So, by that standard, Torts didn't win jack sh*t with the Rangers either.

I thought that reaching the semi-finals was sufficient to give Torts a pass until 2025. Gaborik was on that team. Indeed, he scored 40+ goals for that team. So, by that standard, Torts didn't win jack sh*t with the Rangers either.
- Pete V

TJ:

Meaning we haven't won jack shyt with them
- Slimtj100

So why does that mean we should sign Bickell exactly? Whats one got to do with the other?