Last 2 years playoffs have created questions in mind. 1-8 doesn't make you gulp with apprehension with the roster he had ?

Sorry, I question him for that


- Slimtj100[/img]

Everyone does but your crazy to think AV has as many question marks as Messier.

Rick Bowness hired as an asisstant in Tampa, that's part of Vigneault's crew in Vancouver

Messier as HC, and Ron Wilson and Tom Renney as Assistants.
- Pete V

Isn't Renney an assistant in Detroit?

Isn't Renney an assistant in Detroit?
- HankdaTank

He is.

Isn't Renney an assistant in Detroit?
- HankdaTank

I'm just kind of joking with the Wilson and Renney thing. Basically, I just picked the 1st two guys with significant head coaching experience I could think off that weren't likely to get HC jobs.

What ever little hockey sense I have is being overridden by my heart right now...Mess for HC is starting to become more and more interesting....

Everyone does but your crazy to think AV has as many question marks as Messier.
- mrhattrick27

I didn't say he has as many, I'm just saying all these potential guys don't exude to much confidence. That's all I said.

Everyone is making AV out to be this tremendous coach without flaws. When the fact is the guy you all ran out of town did much more then he did in his career and the last 2 years. If you guys don't give torts credit for making an ECF I can't give AV credit for losing a cup final he was up 2-0 in and lost a game 7 in his own building

Now put that in yer pipe and smoke it!

What ever little hockey sense I have is being overridden by my heart right now...Mess for HC is starting to become more and more interesting....
- Blueshirts4ever

Put two old war horses with him that have been around the league, and know the mechanics of coaching -- maybe a couple of guys that have been head coaches, but don't have the ambition to do it again. He would really have to be supported by people that know what they are doing.

Put two old war horses with him that have been around the league, and know the mechanics of coaching -- maybe a couple of guys that have been head coaches, but don't have the ambition to do it again. He would really have to be supported by people that know what they are doing.
- Pete V

And I think he is plenty smart enough to do that. What about Craig MacTavish? I know he probably still has head coaching ambition but he might work well with Mess. I mean, he has those Stanly Cup rings bc of #11, maybe he gives him a year of being his right hand man...

What ever little hockey sense I have is being overridden by my heart right now...Mess for HC is starting to become more and more interesting....
- Blueshirts4ever

I'm getting there too. With the right coaching crew lead by Messier I can see it working.

I didn't say he has as many, I'm just saying all these potential guys don't exude to much confidence. That's all I said.

Everyone is making AV out to be this tremendous coach without flaws. When the fact is the guy you all ran out of town did much more then he did in his career and the last 2 years. If you guys don't give torts credit for making an ECF I can't give AV credit for losing a cup final he was up 2-0 in and lost a game 7 in his own building

Now put that in yer pipe and smoke it!
- Slimtj100

Coaching is a tough profession. You have enough of a track record, there is always plenty of things to criticize. The last two Stanley Cup Champions failed as head coaches in the NHL, before winning the Cup with Boston and LA respectively. And, not to mention the players have something to do with as well. Bill Belechek for instance was a failure as head coach of the Browns, and then he hooks up with Tom Brady in New England, and he is off to the Hall.

I think the true measure of a coach is not what you achieved, but what you should have achieved given your talent levels. I don't blame AV for Luongo going in the tank during that series, and if I recall correctly, the Flames could have won that Tampa series in six games with a couple of different bounces. The coaches don't really have control over the really small matter of luck that make a difference between winning and losing. I think it all comes down to whether you are coaching well enough to consistently give your team a chance to win -- i.e., throw enough darts at the dart board, and eventually you'll hit.

But, with all the above said, I do think that it becomes obvoius when good coaches need to move on. I don't doubt that it was AV's time to move on from Vancouver, and Ruff's time to move on from Buffalo. But, I also don't doubt that those guys are good coaches.

Put two old war horses with him that have been around the league, and know the mechanics of coaching -- maybe a couple of guys that have been head coaches, but don't have the ambition to do it again. He would really have to be supported by people that know what they are doing.
- Pete V

Larry Robinson? Tom Renney might not be that far fetched either as def know the ins and outs of the NYR schedule and practice facilities.

Put two old war horses with him that have been around the league, and know the mechanics of coaching -- maybe a couple of guys that have been head coaches, but don't have the ambition to do it again. He would really have to be supported by people that know what they are doing.
- Pete V

That's a great idea! Agreed. Who would be his candidates?

Larry Robinson? Tom Renney might not be that far fetched either as def know the ins and outs of the NYR schedule and practice facilities.
- climbdenali12

Larry Robinson hates the NYR

Larry Robinson hates the NYR
- jambodelta99

and he is too loyal to Uncle Lou over in Newark

Larry Robinson? Tom Renney might not be that far fetched either as def know the ins and outs of the NYR schedule and practice facilities.
- climbdenali12

Tom Renney is a great coach. The only question is whether the team is sufficiently removed from his tenure, that he can comfortably be a number 2 guy without everyone remembering that he used to be the head honcho. Not many players remain from his tenure -- Hank, Girardi, Staal, Callahan, and not much else.

Tom Renney is a great coach. The only question is whether the team is sufficiently removed from his tenure, that he can comfortably be a number 2 guy without everyone remembering that he used to be the head honcho. Not many players remain from his tenure -- Hank, Girardi, Staal, Callahan, and not much else.
- Pete V

How about Renny and MacTavish. After a year, Mac can pursue another HC job. Is he an assistant somewhere?

Nevermind, I forgot MacT is the GM of the Oilers

I would rather Mcguire as an assistant. Wilson's lack of hockey knowledge sowed when he was with leafs. Anybody can look good coaching the Sharks or Team USA.
- tomburton99

can't see Renney coming back as an assistant

How about Renny and MacTavish. After a year, Mac can pursue another HC job. Is he an assistant somewhere?

Nevermind, I forgot he is the GM of the Oilers
- Blueshirts4ever

Dave Lewis, Jim Schoenfeld, Ron Wilson, Eddie O., Guy Boucher (if he doesn't get a job). There has to be a bunch of names.

With all the above said, I still don't think it is a good idea. Too much of a gimmick, and why do the Rangers need to do that? I can't think of anybody off the top of my head that has been hired to coach a major professional sports team with no experience, who has been successful. Can anybody think of anybody?

What ever little hockey sense I have is being overridden by my heart right now...Mess for HC is starting to become more and more interesting....
- Blueshirts4ever

Head not heart, head not heart here. If he struggles or proves incapable, could Sather let him go?

How about Renny and MacTavish. After a year, Mac can pursue another HC job. Is he an assistant somewhere?

Nevermind, I forgot MacT is the GM of the Oilers
- Blueshirts4ever

Beat me to it haha

Read: Circumventing The Cap To Keep Brad Richards Long-Term
June 3rd, 2013 3:51 pm

Earlier today, CapGeek started to tweet out some of the cap figures that teams may face if players retire early and they are hit with the cap recapture benefit.

Elliotte Friedman of Hockey Night in Canada tweeted a four letter reply to CapGeek, “L.T.I.R.”

Friedman was indicating that teams will find a way to avoid the penalty by placing those players on Long Term Injured Reserve. Placing them on LTIR would indicate that the player is trying to play but an injury isn’t letting him and the team could apply for cap relief.

On Hockey Central at Noon, Nick Kypreos and Doug MacLean were talking about this topic and said that the cap recapture per season can’t be a number that is more than 7.5% of a teams salary cap.

MacLean noted that teams could go the Tim Thomas route where a player doesn’t report and is then suspended. The player isn’t paid, which he wouldn’t be if he retired, and they could toll the contracts or just let them go.

Nick Kypreos said that it would be tough to do this for three or four seasons which is around how long most of these players were going to leave on their contract when they retire.

Somebody make the case for me as to why Mark Messier would be a better hire than Dallas Eakins.

Somebody make the case for me as to why Mark Messier would be a better hire than Dallas Eakins.
- Pete V

because if Kreider didn't back check Messier would threaten to throw him off the plane

because if Kreider didn't back check Messier would threaten to throw him off the plane
- jambodelta99

And then Kreider would be so scared all he would do is backcheck, and his stat line would be 82 6 10 16 points +3