Writing something into a collective bargaining agreement does not make it legal, even if both sides agree to it. If the supreme court finds that the NHL CBA violates US labor law it will be overturned. I'm not saying that it does, only that because two sides agreed to it does not make it "Legal".
- 1970vintage

again common sense rises to the surface.

I would hope as well they wouldn't allow that, especially in the nashville situation where philly totally screwed them. I imagine by the time we know if this will be an actual enforced situation it'll be at least 5-6 years from now.
- Isles_since_6

This is what I believe as well. I think that teams with tricksy lawyers, who feel that the penalty won't be upheld by US labor laws are fine to sign off on the CBA as its written knowing that they will challenge it down the road.

These contracts were approved before the new CBA, and why would teams agree to this knowing it will effect them in the future. I think all these teams know it wont be enforced.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Or they accepted it provided the amnesty clause was included to help them buy out of the existing contracts.

Xxkeaner17xX

I would hope as well they wouldn't allow that, especially in the nashville situation where philly totally screwed them. I imagine by the time we know if this will be an actual enforced situation it'll be at least 5-6 years from now.
- Isles_since_6

This current CBA was pushed through so that there could be a season (season what a joke) I don't think anyone really thought these things out.

This current CBA was pushed through so that there could be a season (season what a joke) I don't think anyone really thought these things out.
- A_SteamingLombardi

THIS, so very much lol

Also written into the CBA were compliance buyouts at the end of this season and next season only. However, before the ink was dry on the document Redden and Gomez were bought out early.

someone would have to take it there, neither the league nor the players have shown a willingness to go to the courts, at least for anything past "show"

that being said, like my response just a few minutes ago, I would hope it wouldn't be enforced if it meant a team had to pay for their GM's mistake or another team's offer sheet from years prior.
- Isles_since_6

As I just agreed with you...

I believe that no one will challenge this until it become an issue. When it does become an issue, some team (Chicago, Vancovuer, Nashville...) will argue that the CBA violates the legal contract the team had with player and league and penalizes them illegally. Maybe they win, maybe they don't, but chances are it will take years to settle the dispute and simply prolong the time until they have to pay it back, or not...

As I just agreed with you...

I believe that no one will challenge this until it become an issue. When it does become an issue, some team (Chicago, Vancovuer, Nashville...) will argue that the CBA violates the legal contract the team had with player and league and penalizes them illegally. Maybe they win, maybe they don't, but chances are it will take years to settle the dispute and simply prolong the time until they have to pay it back, or not...
- 1970vintage

it's one of those questions that provokes discussion without any real concrete answers. With fairly short lifespan of NHL Gm's (compared to some of these contract lengths) all they're really doing is ignoring the issue and leaving it for the next guy. It's the owners of the team that should be concerned. I somehow doubt Gillis cares where the team is going to be in 6 years or longer.

so if we move to a different subject, since this horse has been beaten worse than Rihanna, leaving Luongo, Ballard and Booth out of the conversation, aside from Edler, are there any other Canucks that you guys feel may be moved during the summer to get better/young/bigger?

Gord Miller ‏@GMillerTSN 6m

This morning, Darryl Sutter asked a guy in a Star Trek uniform where the team bus was. Darryl thought he was the hotel doorman.

Not sure which one of us is interpreting it wrong, but I know that the recapture calculator on capgeek is on my side.
- DrChristianTroy

I just had a look at the Capgeek calculator, I think they're wrong. I plugged in 2025 as the "player retires after the ? season" and that he had not been traded, and it gave me the $32 million payback, but the contract expires in 2025, so there is nothing to repay.

They also note that there is no credit for negative cap benefit, but I think that only applies to a player that is traded to a team that didn't enjoy the benefit of the cap savings from early in the contract.

Who wants a Edler, Jensen, Tanev and a 1st for O'Reilly, 1st overall trade?


I do, I do.....

As I just agreed with you...

I believe that no one will challenge this until it become an issue. When it does become an issue, some team (Chicago, Vancovuer, Nashville...) will argue that the CBA violates the legal contract the team had with player and league and penalizes them illegally. Maybe they win, maybe they don't, but chances are it will take years to settle the dispute and simply prolong the time until they have to pay it back, or not...
- 1970vintage

Remember, this CBA only lasts for 10 years, so it's quite possible it will be left off the next CBA, but it was done to do something about a growing issue while allowing the existing contracts to be cancelled without penalty to the cap.

Xxkeaner17xX

Who wants a Edler, Jensen, Tanev and a 1st for O'Reilly, 1st overall trade?


I do, I do.....
- chompsey

Doesn't O'Reilly have to remain an Av until 1 calendar year from his offer sheet being matched? (aka Feb 28th 2014)?

Doesn't O'Reilly have to remain an Av until 1 calendar year from his offer sheet being matched? (aka Feb 28th 2014)?
- DrChristianTroy

yes

Doesn't O'Reilly have to remain an Av until 1 calendar year from his offer sheet being matched? (aka Feb 28th 2014)?
- DrChristianTroy

I realized that as soon as I hit enter....(frank)!

ok, for poops sake, replace O' Reilly with Statsny....

leaving Luongo, Ballard and Booth out of the conversation, aside from Edler, are there any other Canucks that you guys feel may be moved during the summer to get better/young/bigger?
- Isles_since_6

I think Edler only gets moved if a legit top 6 forward is coming back (not necessarily younger)

Gone are Raymond, Lapiere, Weise, Malhotra, Pinizzotto, Ebbett

Gillis needs to find:

a 4th line C (maybe from within - prospect)

maybe a 3rd line C depending on if Schroeder can handle that role full time under a new coach.

and a couple of wingers for cheap, plus a couple of depth d-men. If as you suggest that Luongo/Ballard/Booth are not here, the cap isn't really an issue.

These players are going to come from trade (prospects for prospects) or through free agency, nothing special, just guys who are available. It won't be a championship calibre team in all likelihood.

Doesn't O'Reilly have to remain an Av until 1 calendar year from his offer sheet being matched? (aka Feb 28th 2014)?
- DrChristianTroy

yup, us Isles fans want him too if Colorado drafts Mckinnon and decides to move one of their centers lol

I realized that as soon as I hit enter....(frank)!

ok, for poops sake, replace O' Reilly with Statsny....
- chompsey

I would've said yes for O'Reilly. Definitely no for Stastny.

I think Edler only gets moved if a legit top 6 forward is coming back (not necessarily younger)

Gone are Raymond, Lapiere, Weise, Malhotra, Pinizzotto, Ebbett

Gillis needs to find:

a 4th line C (maybe from within - prospect)

maybe a 3rd line C depending on if Schroeder can handle that role full time under a new coach.

and a couple of wingers for cheap, plus a couple of depth d-men. If as you suggest that Luongo/Ballard/Booth are not here, the cap isn't really an issue.

These players are going to come from trade (prospects for prospects) or through free agency, nothing special, just guys who are available. It won't be a championship calibre team in all likelihood.
- 1970vintage

it may sound funny, but for fill ins like that the waiver wire might end up being a good option for the Canucks. Generally cheap talent as filler for a bit

at least our GM seems to think so..and turns out sometimes he's right (minus the finley's of the world)

Remember, this CBA only lasts for 10 years, so it's quite possible it will be left off the next CBA, but it was done to do something about a growing issue while allowing the existing contracts to be cancelled without penalty to the cap.

Xxkeaner17xX
- keaner17

Yeah, it could be 10 years until any challenges are resolved as well.

I think they also solved these problems by maxing the contract length, minimizing the change in salary from one year to the next and from the highest to lowest amount in any single year.

I agree, these contracts are/were a problem, but they were legal under the previous CBA and penalizing a team for something that the NHL approved just doesn't seem like it will stick.

Don't know if trading MPS helps EDM at all. Also I know Rundblad has had a rough landing, but he's worth more than a 24th overall

The Canucks should select the top rated WHL player available at the time of their pick. Doesn't matter who else is still available, take a (frank)ing WHL player.
- Scooby_Doo

not even a slight chance Ristolainen drops to 24. I'd be shocked if he dropped to 10

Tanev for Paarjavi alone would be pretty fair.
- immature_male

I'd do that if I were EDM. Tanev's supposed to be preeetty good. Although VAN does have pretty good D ad needs to get younger up front. I wonder how a Sedin-Sedin-Paajarvi line'd work. Triple swedes

yup, us Isles fans want him too if Colorado drafts Mckinnon and decides to move one of their centers lol
- Isles_since_6

he'll have to get paid at least 6.5M on his next contract. I wouldn't want him for that. Great player and fits a need in EDM but 6.5 for a fringe 1C?

I'd do that if I were EDM. Tanev's supposed to be preeetty good. Although VAN does have pretty good D ad needs to get younger up front. I wonder how a Sedin-Sedin-Paajarvi line'd work. Triple swedes
- TheNugeIsHuge

personally if I were a Canucks fan I'd be pretty high on Tanev, from what I've seen of him (fair amount) he looks steady and reliable. Hard to find young defensemen that you can rely on for mistake free minutes.