Exactly ... he forgets Wayne moved around in the late part of his career. He was a hired gun.
- Oneonta Penguin

Paul Coffey

No kidding. Your original premise was the amount of teams that a person played for, now since that has been debunked you are morphed into your next part of the argument. To debunk this I will use Patrick Roy as an example.
- Gunner Staal

My point is Gretz is a very special case, and as far as Roy is concerned the Habs retire every player that have ever played for them. Its kind of pointless, its like our ring of honor here in the Burgh. You were a good player lets throw your number up in the rafters. Too me its kind of silly the numbers Habs players have to wear, 51, 67,73, 74,76,79.

To me the Pens treat putting names in the rafters a little bit differently than the Habs do.

No kidding. Your original premise was the amount of teams that a person played for, now since that has been debunked you are morphed into your next part of the argument. To debunk this I will use Patrick Roy as an example.
- Gunner Staal

Yeah, Roy's number 33 hangs in Montreal, even though the whole trade to the Avs was pretty ugly.

Exactly ... he forgets Wayne moved around in the late part of his career. He was a hired gun.
- Oneonta Penguin

No I don't forget that, but I could very easily make a case for why Gretz number should be retired in all of the arenas he played in, well maybe not the Rags.

Jags leaving is not the only reason I don't believe he will not have his number up in the rafters here. What he did last year was an insult to the organization and to Mario Lemuiex himself, using leverage to get more money at your "friends" expense is a pretty low thing to do.

My point is Gretz is a very special case, and as far as Roy is concerned the Habs retire every player that have ever played for them. Its kind of pointless, its like our ring of honor here in the Burgh. You were a good player lets throw your number up in the rafters. Too me its kind of silly the numbers Habs players have to wear, 51, 67,73, 74,76,79.

To me the Pens treat putting names in the rafters a little bit differently than the Habs do.
- nbartley9

Patrick Roy is the best goalie of all time.

Jaromir Jagr is the best European player of all time.

Also the bolded part would fly against your logic, Jagr wears 68, so he wouldnt be taking up any "normal" number being retired, he just wears a "silly" number.

No I don't forget that, but I could very easily make a case for why Gretz number should be retired in all of the arenas he played in, well maybe not the Rags.

Jags leaving is not the only reason I don't believe he will not have his number up in the rafters here. What he did last year was an insult to the organization and to Mario Lemuiex himself, using leverage to get more money at your "friends" expense is a pretty low thing to do.
- nbartley9

And my stance is that 2 instances (the "dying alive" and last year) does not take away from the fact he was the best player in the NHL for years when he was wearing a Pens sweater. What he did for this team outweighs the few moments of stupidity.

I can totally understand why you think he should be up there, I just don't think he will be.

Maybe someday he will be.

Patrick Roy is the best goalie of all time.

Jaromir Jagr is the best European player of all time.

Also the bolded part would fly against your logic, Jagr wears 68, so he wouldnt be taking up any "normal" number being retired, he just wears a "silly" number.
- Gunner Staal

Disagree with me or not, you don't think that the numbers the Habs have to wear look dumb?

Let me put it this way, numbers being retired is a huge honor in my eyes.
No one including Michel Briere deserve to be up there right now next to Mario.
Jagr would be the closest guy that would be deserving of having that honor someday. I just don't see it happening.

Disagree with me or not, you don't think that the numbers the Habs have to wear look dumb?
- nbartley9

The four best players in Penguins history wear "dumb" numbers

Wayne Gretzky wore a "dumb" number

I can totally understand why you think he should be up there, I just don't think he will be.

Maybe someday he will be.
- nbartley9

And i personally believe it will be hanging up there not long after he finally retires.

The four best players in Penguins history wear "dumb" numbers

Wayne Gretzky wore a "dumb" number
- Gunner Staal

Ok I guess you just don't know what I mean, or you are too stubborn to admit that you do.

The four best players in Penguins history wear "dumb" numbers

Wayne Gretzky wore a "dumb" number
- Gunner Staal

It's interesting that, with Gretzky, they retired his number league wide "officially", but you don't see anybody now wearing #66 or even #68, other then Jags himself.

Ok I guess you just don't know what I mean, or you are too stubborn to admit that you do.
- nbartley9

No, I pretty much proved that the number a player wears doesnt matter, its the person wearing it.

No, I pretty much proved that the number a player wears doesnt matter, its the person wearing it.
- Gunner Staal

Holds no bearing to what were talking about but ok.

The Habs have so many numbers retired that the numbers they are forced to wear look dumb.

It's interesting that, with Gretzky, they retired his number league wide "officially", but you don't see anybody now wearing #66 or even #68, other then Jags himself.
- cap1681

Doesn't Yannick Weber wear #68?

Holds no bearing to what were talking about but ok.

The Habs have so many numbers retired that the numbers they are forced to wear look dumb.
- nbartley9

Define a dumb number, really specifically define what your standard is of a dumb number.

Make sure that definition doesn't conflict with the numbers 99, 66, 68, 77, 91, 87, 71, 58, 88, 65, 55 etc...

Paul Coffey
- Gunner Staal

Wayne though cried the day he was traded. He didn't cry leading up to the trade and demand it. Jagr on ice performance merits a lot of praise but myself and I would think most of Pittsburgh won't be able to get over his off the ice antics. The way the Philly signing played out which to me I was angry but not that big of a deal, him not showing up for the cup teams reunions golf games. When I look up and remember pens greats and tell my kids about it I want to tell them about a man I respect. He garners none from me.

And I only look at things from a fan perspective just to be clear. I unfortunately am not employed by the organization or am in no way a hockey professional. Full disclosure

Define a dumb number, really specifically define what your standard is of a dumb number.

Make sure that definition doesn't conflict with the numbers 99, 66, 68, 77, 91, 87, 71, 58, 88, 65, 55 etc...
- Gunner Staal

Your right, Montreal's uni's look 100% normal will almost 20 retired numbers that are not used.

1,2,3,4,5,7,9,10,12 (twice),16 (twice),18,23,29,33; who wants to wear those weird numbers anyways.

Nisky, Murray, Eaton, Engo, Martin, Duper, Iggy, Sutter, Neal, and Flower would all need new numbers but its cool totally normal.

Your right, Montreal's uni's look 100% normal will almost 20 retired numbers that are not used.

1,2,3,4,5,7,9,10,12 (twice),16 (twice),18,23,29,33; who wants to wear those weird numbers anyways.

Nisky, Murray, Eaton, Engo, Martin, Duper, Iggy, Sutter, Neal, and Flower would all need new numbers but its cool totally normal.
- nbartley9

Oh the humanity

Wayne though cried the day he was traded. He didn't cry leading up to the trade and demand it. Jagr on ice performance merits a lot of praise but myself and I would think most of Pittsburgh won't be able to get over his off the ice antics. The way the Philly signing played out which to me I was angry but not that big of a deal, him not showing up for the cup teams reunions golf games. When I look up and remember pens greats and tell my kids about it I want to tell them about a man I respect. He garners none from me.

And I only look at things from a fan perspective just to be clear. I unfortunately am not employed by the organization or am in no way a hockey professional. Full disclosure
- dbell646

I look at it as if my "friend" publicly humiliated me and I was a deciding factor if we honor that man for the rest of time.

Cant say I know much about this Anton Belov guy but the Penguins are probably going to sign him out of the KHL. Big and skilled is the description of the defenseman

https://twitter.com/Molin...status/340080700495646720
- Gunner Staal

6-4, 185 pounder. You mean this guy?

http://www.bing.com/video...531DB&first=0&FORM=NVPFVR

6-4, 185 pounder. You mean this guy?

http://www.bing.com/video...531DB&first=0&FORM=NVPFVR
- Oneonta Penguin

I guess, I don't know much about him.

6-4, 185 pounder. You mean this guy?

http://www.bing.com/video...531DB&first=0&FORM=NVPFVR
- Oneonta Penguin

Elite Prospects.com has him at 216 lbs

Elite Prospects.com has him at 216 lbs
- cap1681

More importantly, who uses Bing? Haha

More importantly, who uses Bing? Haha
- Gunner Staal

Haven't you seen the commercials?? Bing is better than Google.