You have no basis to say that whatsoever.....just hot air.....
- chompsey

Did you see Schroeder play this year for the Canucks??? He accomplished nothing offensively. He is not a defensive player. He is not a checker. He is not a bang and crash player. HE CAN NOT PLAY IN THE NHL UNLESS HE IS SCORING. He has not shown the ability at the AHL level to score with enough consistency to make anyone believe he is ready to contribute regularly at the NHL level, on the 1st or 2nd line, next year.

If he is on the team next year, either our bottom 6 is not big enough and not tough enough, or we have lost too much offensively from our top 6 to compete for a championship. If Jordan Schroeder is on the team as anything more than an injury fill in, the Canucks will not challenge for a Stanley Cup.

Having the green light to spend doesn't mean you aren't cash strapped. The Lightning post annual 8 digit losses.

I find it hard to believe that they wouldn't consider moving a guy who makes $10 million per for future pieces & look to replace him in the short term with a guy like Briere whose cap hit is similarly inflated ($6.5 vs $7.727), but he only makes $3 million this year and $2 million next year, then comes off the books. TB holding onto LeCavalier with that contract to play that role makes no business sense IMO.
- DrChristianTroy

Move him?

Move him for what?

He's untradeable.

It's buyout or nothing.

This is complete nonsense.

Lain will never have the skill to be a 3C.

Maybe a 4C in one to three years, if he learns to pick his spots better defensively.
- Fosco

He's big, a good skater, good on faceoffs. He's also young and a late bloomer. It can happen.

Why no Jensen?

He's without question their top prospect, and the only one with 1st line potential—although I suspect he tops out as a 2nd liner.

And why no Schroeder?

He showed a lot of promise this season, despite both AV and Arniel not using him properly. Obviously you trade him if the return is worth it, but I imagine his trade value isn't all that high right now.

Rodin is gone. His body can't hack the NA game. Headed back to Sweden and might not even receive a qualifying offer.

I'm probably the biggest Edler fan on this site, but the Canucks arguably have the depth to move him, and he's the only "moveable" asset they have that would return a top 6 forward, which they desperately need.
- Fosco

Gillis is looking to get bigger and faster - Schroeder is neither. And to say that he "wasn't used properly" by two separate coaches smacks of severe homerism. If he is our best prospect then we are in deep trouble.

Having the green light to spend doesn't mean you aren't cash strapped. The Lightning post annual 8 digit losses.

I find it hard to believe that they wouldn't consider moving a guy who makes $10 million per for future pieces & look to replace him in the short term with a guy like Briere whose cap hit is similarly inflated ($6.5 vs $7.727), but he only makes $3 million this year and $2 million next year, then comes off the books. TB holding onto LeCavalier with that contract to play that role makes no business sense IMO.
- DrChristianTroy

You could trade Luongo's contract 3 times before you could trade Lecavalier's contract.

The owner might have money, but the team does not make money. Cash strapped in that they lose money annually. No owner in the NHL is "cash strapped" (Coyotes don't count!).

The point is they don't have the money to buy out Lecavalier's contract and not receive the benefit of him playing for them.
- KB3Point0

There are teams that don't have the luxury of being able to spend to the cap. The Lightning is not one of those teams. Vinik has the money to buy out Lecavalier, if he really wanted to. The point is that it doesn't make sense. Being cash strapped and losing money are two very different things from a financial perspective. The team loses money, but it still has cash to play with. Vinik upgraded the Forum with $40M of his own money, he didn't layoff anyone during the lockout, and he is consistently willing to spend to put the best product on the ice. That's not cash strapped. Sure, the team loses money, but it is far from cash strapped. Like I said, two very different things.

You could trade Luongo's contract 3 times before you could trade Lecavalier's contract.
- KB3Point0

Agreed!!! I think Edmonton and Vancouver discuss Luongo options this summer. Maybe with Canucks taking Horcoff's contract back in a deal and the we use one of our compliance buyouts on Horcoff.

Agreed!!! I think Edmonton and Vancouver discuss Luongo options this summer. Maybe with Canucks taking Horcoff's contract back in a deal and the we use one of our compliance buyouts on Horcoff.
- edge100

I see the Canucks as simply putting Luongo on waivers and hoping somebody blinks.

That way, no contract coming back.

Yo prospect man, serious question here......

Would you dump Schroeder first chance you get and make a mistake like the Calgary Flames did with Martin St Louis.........OR let him play 3rd line despite his size and slowly work him into a 2nd line center when he finally breaks out......he is gonna break out, we all saw his skills........I really hate all those bipolar Canuck fans who can't see the forest through the trees.....
- chompsey

I really like Schroeder's game, but I wouldn't say it's a certainty he becomes a legit 2nd line player. I think at the very least he will turn into 35-55 point 2nd/3rd line tweener.

He's been developed slowly to this point—you could start to see the progress in his defensive game under Mac-T, and we're just now seeing the progress in his offense.

He was dominant when he was sent back down to the Wolves, and was easily their best player while he was there.

I think he still has room to grow offensively, and if used properly will continue to develop in the NHL.

Gillis is looking to get bigger and faster - Schroeder is neither. And to say that he "wasn't used properly" by two separate coaches smacks of severe homerism. If he is our best prospect then we are in deep trouble.
- edge100

Well, we'll see how he is used by the new coaching staff, and Jensen is our best prospect IMO.

Move him?

Move him for what?

He's untradeable.

It's buyout or nothing.
- Atomic Wedgie

My point (which I guess was lazily stated) is that TB should get rid of him. Whether that means exploring trade options (even though that's a dangerous route to go considering the recapture possibilities) or buying out that horrid contract.

But apparently Tampa's owner isn't interested in running a profitable business.

I really like Schroeder's game, but I wouldn't say it's a certainty he becomes a legit 2nd line player. I think at the very least he will turn into 35-55 point 2nd/3rd line tweener.

He's been developed slowly to this point—you could start to see the progress in his defensive game under Mac-T, and we're just now seeing the progress in his offense.

He was dominant when he was sent back down to the Wolves, and was easily their best player while he was there.

I think he still has room to grow offensively, and if used properly will continue to develop in the NHL.
- Fosco

Not on the Canucks, or on a Western Conference team. Schroeder's best chance to blossom would be to be traded to a Pittsburg or NYI or that sort of team that plays run and gun offense and in a conference that's much more wide open than the west.

I see the Canucks as simply putting Luongo on waivers and hoping somebody blinks.

That way, no contract coming back.
- Atomic Wedgie

Why run the risk of the recapture coming back to bite you in the ass, just buy him out. IMO the recapture will never be enforced, teams will find ways around it.

My point (which I guess was lazily stated) is that TB should get rid of him. Whether that means exploring trade options (even though that's a dangerous route to go considering the recapture possibilities) or buying out that horrid contract.

But apparently Tampa's owner isn't interested in running a profitable business.
- DrChristianTroy

Sensitive? Like AlexF said, it should be expected that buyouts for players who can still contribute will happen next season. The Lightning don't have anyone who can do what Lecavalier can do. Buying him out costs money, and signing someone to replace him costs money. It makes more sense for the team to keep Lecavalier for this season, and re-evaluate next season. It's not like he's hurting the team.

EDIT - Part of running a profitable business is putting the best possible product out on the ice. As of right now, Lecavalier projects to be a big part of what looks like a pretty decent product heading into next season.

Unofficial Poll:

Should Henrik automatically retain the "C" under the new staff?

I vote "NO" (but that doesn't mean he can't earn it once they get here).
- DrChristianTroy

A captain should be an extension of the coach in some ways, so as far as i'm concerned it's an open competition.

Patrick Roy apparently said today that the Avs are toying around with the possibility of trading the 1st overall pick...

If so, TB should be all up in that & pluck MacKinnon from the Panthers grasp.

1. Buy out LeCavalier.
2. Acquire Briere for peanuts.
- Briere's salary + LeCavalier's buyout figure = at least $5 million in savings per season over keeping LeCavalier
3. Have MacKinnon ready to step into 2LC by the time Briere comes off the books in 2 years.
4. Become profitable.

There are teams that don't have the luxury of being able to spend to the cap. The Lightning is not one of those teams. Vinik has the money to buy out Lecavalier, if he really wanted to. The point is that it doesn't make sense. Being cash strapped and losing money are two very different things from a financial perspective. The team loses money, but it still has cash to play with. Vinik upgraded the Forum with $40M of his own money, he didn't layoff anyone during the lockout, and he is consistently willing to spend to put the best product on the ice. That's not cash strapped. Sure, the team loses money, but it is far from cash strapped. Like I said, two very different things.
- Michael_Stuart

THE TEAM LOSES MONEY!!!

THE TEAM LOSES MONEY!!!
- KB3Point0

Yes? Like I said, losing money and being cash strapped are two very different things. If I throw coins into a fountain, I'm losing money. I've got a big stack of coins though, so I'm far from cash strapped.

Patrick Roy apparently said today that the Avs are toying around with the possibility of trading the 1st overall pick...

If so, TB should be all up in that & pluck MacKinnon from the Panthers grasp.

1. Buy out LeCavalier.
2. Acquire Briere for peanuts.
- Briere's salary + LeCavalier's buyout figure = at least $5 million in savings per season over keeping LeCavalier
3. Have MacKinnon ready to step into 2LC by the time Briere comes off the books in 2 years.
4. Become profitable.
- DrChristianTroy

This intrigues me. Being in the third slot hurts. My greatest argument against buying out Lecavalier is that there's no one to replace him. This scenario changes that.

Agreed!!! I think Edmonton and Vancouver discuss Luongo options this summer. Maybe with Canucks taking Horcoff's contract back in a deal and the we use one of our compliance buyouts on Horcoff.
- edge100

So you wanna trade Lu so that the Oilers can sign Horcoff to a better deal and have a No.1 goalie?

There is definitely a fit with the Islanders regarding Lu, especially if Rocky comes back in the deal. NJ seems a bit up against the cap but could use Lu's services.

Renaud Lavoie ‏@RenLavoieRDS
Patrick Roy told Joe Sakic today that the team needs to study the possibility of trading the team first round pick in a month. #RDS

Probably posturing but would make for a blockbuster trade.

Gillis is looking to get bigger and faster - Schroeder is neither. And to say that he "wasn't used properly" by two separate coaches smacks of severe homerism. If he is our best prospect then we are in deep trouble.
- edge100

And your post smacks of somebody who didn't watch any Wolves games this season, or Canucks games for that matter.

You want to know how he was used improperly by both coaches? Here goes;

AV had him centering the 4th line, with Lapierre on the 2nd/3rd, and switched them for offensive zone draws—that is one of the worst coaching maneuvers I've ever seen. How is either line supposed to develop any chemistry—of course we all know AV doesn't believe in that, judging by his actions.

He was also used on the point on the PP, when he's been far better on the half wall in the past.

Not to mention the numerous situations Ebbett was used instead of Schroeder.

Arniel also failed to realize that he was far more capable than almost every forward on his top line. Haydar cost the Wolves more games than he won—he took numerous penalties in the last 5 minutes of games because he was cherry picking and chasing the puck rather than playing D. Arniel also didn't use Schroeder, one of the Wolves most capable PKers in 11/12, on the PK.

He also had him on the 2nd PP, which usually generated more chances than the 1st unit, while getting far less TOI.

There is no homerism in regards to coaching insults with guys like AV and Arniel coaching.



And where did I say Schroeder was our best prospect? I said he is the best player on the Wolves, including the vets.

How has Gillis's goal of getting bigger worked so far? You need skill guys as well to succeed.

Is Gillis not supposed to use a capable asset that he drafted simply because he's short.

Sensitive? Like AlexF said, it should be expected that buyouts for players who can still contribute will happen next season. The Lightning don't have anyone who can do what Lecavalier can do. Buying him out costs money, and signing someone to replace him costs money. It makes more sense for the team to keep Lecavalier for this season, and re-evaluate next season. It's not like he's hurting the team.

EDIT - Part of running a profitable business is putting the best possible product out on the ice. As of right now, Lecavalier projects to be a big part of what looks like a pretty decent product heading into next season.
- Michael_Stuart

Out of curiosity Michael what is the outlook for next season? The team came 3rd last and although they've now got a goalie rotation (how good over a full season remains to be seen) I assume some adjustments are coming?

And your post smacks of somebody who didn't watch any Wolves games this season, or Canucks games for that matter.

You want to know how he was used improperly by bot coaches? Here goes;

AV had him centering the 4th line, with Lapierre on the 2nd/3rd, and switched them for offensive zone draws—that is one of the worst coaching maneuvers I've ever seen. How is either line supposed to develop any chemistry—of course we all know AV doesn't believe in that, judging by his actions.

He was also used on the point on the PP, when he's been far better on the half wall in the past.

Not to mention the numerous situations Ebbett was used instead of Schroeder.

Arniel also failed to realize that he was far more capable than almost every forward on his top line. Haydar cost the Wolves more games than he won—he took numerous penalties in the last 5 minutes of games because he was cherry picking and chasing the puck rather than playing D. Arniel also didn't use Schroeder, one of the Wolves most capable PKers in 11/12, on the PK.

He also had him on the 2nd PP, which usually generated more chances than the 1st unit, while getting far less TOI.

There is no homerism in regards to coaching insults with guys like AV and Arniel coaching.



And where did I say Schroeder was our best prospect? I said he is the best player on the Wolves, including the vets.

How has Gillis's goal of getting bigger worked so far? You need skill guys as well to succeed.

Is Gillis not supposed to use a capable asset that he drafted simply because he's short.


- Fosco

If a team in the Northwest wants to ship its undersized forward prospect down this way, I wouldn't be opposed.

In all seriousness though, you've got a solid prospect in Schroeder. While he's small, he is strong on his feet and generally solid along the boards. With the right development and coaching, he could certainly be a contributor at the NHL level on a consistent basis.