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Forums :: Blog World :: Mike Augello: Buyout Banter(Part I: Northeast and Atlantic Divisions)
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DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

May 24 @ 4:21 PM ET
Went to a Leafs game last season and some dude was wearing a Cross jersey. Imagine that...someone bought a Cory Cross jersey...ftw!
- Hockey_Hoser


only thing worse is when people put their OWN names on the jersey.
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

May 24 @ 4:21 PM ET
One day, Cory Cross must have received a royalty cheque for like 83 cents and wondered what it was for.
- Leeman4Gilmour


mykokes
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: RELEASE THE LATVIAN!, ON
Joined: 11.09.2009

May 24 @ 4:22 PM ET
okay.. lets look at this with some perspective

right now.. signed and ready to go the leafs lineup looks like this

lupul _Kadri_______ kessel
JVR Grabo___Horton_______
Kuli Colborne Frattin
Gordon_____ McClement ___Komarov___

- Dozzer


I filled in the blanks....if you can move Grabo and sign Bozak for cheap do it that way. What I would love to see though is this:

Lupul/Kadri/Kessel
JVR/RoR/Horton

WIth a bottom six of who the (frank) cares!
Hockey_Hoser
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 05.27.2011

May 24 @ 4:29 PM ET
only thing worse is when people put their OWN names on the jersey.
- DoubleDown


Agreed...see Mayor Rob Ford who wore his personalized jersey during city hall council and refused to take it off while the Leafs were in the playoffs! Where the hell do we find these guys?!?!
steve362
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: St. John's, NF
Joined: 07.07.2010

May 24 @ 4:32 PM ET
Until you find a guy who can win draws and play the PK, you need to keep Bozak. This is the exact same lineup down the middle that got shredded by Boston.

I'm not sure that adding Clarkson while subtracting Mac and Bozak makes our forward group better at all.

- Leeman4Gilmour


Mike Zigomanis

He'll be testing free agency based on his "goodbye tweet" with his faceoff and PK ability he'll definitely land somewhere.
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

May 24 @ 4:35 PM ET
Agreed...see Mayor Rob Ford who wore his personalized jersey during city hall council and refused to take it off while the Leafs were in the playoffs! Where the hell do we find these guys?!?!
- Hockey_Hoser


that guy is just a mess
SameOld
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 07.25.2010

May 24 @ 4:38 PM ET
why?

i am the leafs.. easy decision

dont sign bozak if he wants anything more than 2.5

buy out komi

keep grabo.. if he doesnt find his game this year then use the second compliance buyout on him next summer.

the guy had one bad half season and everyone says its time to write him off.. thats just dumb... sorry.. but it is.

- Dozzer


Exactly. I have no idea why people talk about buying him out this year. There's a reason why you get two.

I also thought you could only use one of the free buyouts per summer. This year and next or last year and this year for MTL and NY.
SameOld
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 07.25.2010

May 24 @ 4:41 PM ET
anyone else wondering why the hell this guy bought a Volchenkov jersey?
- DoubleDown


I guess this guy has never seen Volchenkov play.
SameOld
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 07.25.2010

May 24 @ 4:42 PM ET
I'd be fine letting Grabo show his stuff for one more year, but not if it hinders us from making a clear upgrade.

We need a Clarkson/Horton/Clowe type, a top 4 d-man, and MAYBE a #1 center if one becomes available (Kesler, Thornton, Stastny) for the right price. A grinder/pest might be nice to replace Komarov if he walks.

Clutterbuck is a dream, but here's to hoping.

I'm not sure you can accomplish all of that (or any of that) with Grabo's 5.5 on the books.

- Leeman4Gilmour


CLARKSON. No ifs, and's or buts... Horton would be a nice consolation prize though
SameOld
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 07.25.2010

May 24 @ 4:45 PM ET
how about not putting grabovski with 3rd liners and see what happens..funny he was good with JVR before lupul got hurt..

all we gotta do is add clarkson, remove mac and bozak, add a top 3 D and were set.

again, im fond of giving this a whirl next season...

JVR-Kadri-Kessel
Lupul-Grabovski-Clarkson
Frattin-Colborne-Kulemin
Mclaren-Mcclemment-Komarov

- big_dion


If we were to sign Clarkson, I'd put money on a Lupes, Kadri, Clarkson line.... Boy would that look mighty nice.
A_Tree
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm r00ting for you™ - KS, ON
Joined: 05.06.2011

May 24 @ 5:06 PM ET
CLARKSON. No ifs, and's or buts... Horton would be a nice consolation prize though
- SameOld


Horton is the consolation prize...?
Rang
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 08.21.2006

May 24 @ 5:10 PM ET

I think the Leafs have to be very bold this summer. We need a number 1 centre, and it's going to be expensive and hurtful to acquire.

If Rielly is the real deal, then we can afford to dangle Gardiner whose value will be high based on how he played in the playoffs.

As much as it would hurt to let him go, in return for him and a mid level prospect like Blacker or Leivo we might be able to acquire:

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins ( Edmonton needs defense badly and will be looking to make some big moves)

or
A top 5 pick in the 2013 draft to draft the centre of the future

I don't know if Nonis is the bold move type like Burke or whether he will just be patient but we need a true number 1 centre to be competitive in the future IMO





13sundin13
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.29.2006

May 24 @ 5:12 PM ET

I filled in the blanks....if you can move Grabo and sign Bozak for cheap do it that way. What I would love to see though is this:

Lupul/Kadri/Kessel
JVR/RoR/Horton

WIth a bottom six of who the (frank) cares!

- mykokes


The bottom six is actually what separates the good teams from the bad. If you look at any good team, they have a lot of depth and the 3rd line is usually very good, with the 4th line being tolerable. Nobody builds a contender with two lines.
steve362
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: St. John's, NF
Joined: 07.07.2010

May 24 @ 5:13 PM ET
If we were to sign Clarkson, I'd put money on a Lupes, Kadri, Clarkson line.... Boy would that look mighty nice.
- SameOld


When
blizzzard
New Jersey Devils
Location: Orillia, ON
Joined: 07.02.2011

May 24 @ 5:24 PM ET
Really, a massive rebuild ? did you get us confused with the flames or something ? we are no TML but come on man a massive rebuild ? really?
A_Tree
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm r00ting for you™ - KS, ON
Joined: 05.06.2011

May 24 @ 5:25 PM ET
I think the Leafs have to be very bold this summer. We need a number 1 centre, and it's going to be expensive and hurtful to acquire.

If Rielly is the real deal, then we can afford to dangle Gardiner whose value will be high based on how he played in the playoffs.

As much as it would hurt to let him go, in return for him and a mid level prospect like Blacker or Leivo we might be able to acquire:

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins ( Edmonton needs defense badly and will be looking to make some big moves)

or
A top 5 pick in the 2013 draft to draft the centre of the future

I don't know if Nonis is the bold move type like Burke or whether he will just be patient but we need a true number 1 centre to be competitive in the future IMO

- Rang


I think at this point drafting a future top center is the wrong way to go, specifically if you have to trade up to get one.

Personally I think the best route at this point in time is a trade. Free agency can be a reckless way to acquire talent, and there usually isn't top-line talent in the FA pool.

So I agree, insofar as looking to trade something valuable to receive something worthwhile in return. Trading Gardiner at this point might be our best bet at obtaining that long-time-running need for a "number one center".
A_Tree
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm r00ting for you™ - KS, ON
Joined: 05.06.2011

May 24 @ 5:27 PM ET
The bottom six is actually what separates the good teams from the bad. If you look at any good team, they have a lot of depth and the 3rd line is usually very good, with the 4th line being tolerable. Nobody builds a contender with two lines.
- 13sundin13


I think he was being facetious.
13sundin13
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.29.2006

May 24 @ 5:30 PM ET
I think the Leafs have to be very bold this summer. We need a number 1 centre, and it's going to be expensive and hurtful to acquire.

If Rielly is the real deal, then we can afford to dangle Gardiner whose value will be high based on how he played in the playoffs.

As much as it would hurt to let him go, in return for him and a mid level prospect like Blacker or Leivo we might be able to acquire:

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins ( Edmonton needs defense badly and will be looking to make some big moves)

or
A top 5 pick in the 2013 draft to draft the centre of the future

I don't know if Nonis is the bold move type like Burke or whether he will just be patient but we need a true number 1 centre to be competitive in the future IMO

- Rang


They can afford to be patient, they just finished 5th in the conference and had a reasonable chance at moving in to 2nd by way of a div title. There's no need to make a bold move or rush anyone becuase they're getting better and in the playoff picture. They can improve, but I think if they sign Bozak to a reasonable contract, add a UFA winger upgrade and a D man, then they're fine to wait for Kadri to develop. They don't need a "true number 1 centre" if it means losing a key piece like Gardiner, there are plenty of good teams that roll with 2 very good centres and do very well.
13sundin13
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.29.2006

May 24 @ 5:30 PM ET
I think he was being facetious.
- A_Tree

Oh haha, didn't get it...
A_Tree
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm r00ting for you™ - KS, ON
Joined: 05.06.2011

May 24 @ 5:31 PM ET
Oh haha, didn't get it...
- 13sundin13

Rang
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 08.21.2006

May 24 @ 5:34 PM ET
I think at this point drafting a future top center is the wrong way to go, specifically if you have to trade up to get one.

Personally I think the best route at this point in time is a trade. Free agency can be a reckless way to acquire talent, and there usually isn't top-line talent in the FA pool.

So I agree, insofar as looking to trade something valuable to receive something worthwhile in return. Trading Gardiner at this point might be our best bet at obtaining that long-time-running need for a "number one center".

- A_Tree


I think it will be very interesting to see how Nonis operates. Burke for all his faults was not averse to risks that have for the most part, paid off (JVR, Kessel. Gardiner,Phaneuf)

Yes, he would want some deals back like Tlusty, Steen and others but at least he was out there trying to make stuff happen.
Blazed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.18.2012

May 24 @ 5:40 PM ET
not true at all

other than the last ten minutes of the second game (game 6 and 7) this lineup pretty much had boston in the bag

and frankly.. bozak was not good.. for too long we have swallowed the hype on this guy and now we all believe it

bozak in the playoffs
1: was third in faceoff percentage behind both grabo and mcclement
2: had 2 points in 5 games while getting top line minutes
3: was tied for 4th in giveaways with grabo and played 2 less games

bozak's "intangibles" which everyone seems to praise him for are ... well.. not good at all. barely average actually.

- Dozzer

Blazed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.18.2012

May 24 @ 5:42 PM ET
not true at all

other than the last ten minutes of the second game (game 6 and 7) this lineup pretty much had boston in the bag

and frankly.. bozak was not good.. for too long we have swallowed the hype on this guy and now we all believe it

bozak in the playoffs
1: was third in faceoff percentage behind both grabo and mcclement
2: had 2 points in 5 games while getting top line minutes
3: was tied for 4th in giveaways with grabo and played 2 less games

bozak's "intangibles" which everyone seems to praise him for are ... well.. not good at all. barely average actually.

- Dozzer


Bozak had a torn oblique. Remember how effective Steckel was on the draw once injured.

Bozak may not be a great answer but hes better than no answer, which is exactly what Kadri-Grabo-Colborne would be.

Worst group of centers in the NHL.
A_Tree
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm r00ting for you™ - KS, ON
Joined: 05.06.2011

May 24 @ 5:45 PM ET
I think it will be very interesting to see how Nonis operates. Burke for all his faults was not averse to risks that have for the most part, paid off (JVR, Kessel. Gardiner,Phaneuf)

Yes, he would want some deals back like Tlusty, Steen and others but at least he was out there trying to make stuff happen.

- Rang


It's a tough spot to be in. The Leafs appear to be on the verge of competing for in the playoffs again, but are clearly short that extra "Ommf!".

Having a real impact first pairing defense man for Phaneuf is critical. This should be at the top of the list of needs. This is where we need to either offer-sheet or trade.

Clarkson would be a great upgrade to our current roster. If Horton was available, it would be doubly amazing. As for as upgrading the center position I believe we have options here that should be sufficient if we fill up other areas in the lineup.

Goaltending is the biggest question mark. Do you stay with the Riemer/Scrivens tandem? Hire help from a Veteran? Or do you trade for a proven starter?
Unholy_Forward
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 06.07.2012

May 24 @ 5:45 PM ET
I wish the Leafs could land Bogosian in a trade. Such a beaut.
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