Honestly, it remains to be seen if salaries begin to adjust. Teams are still going to overspend for top players. The players lower on the totem pole are the ones who are going to see the crunch.
- MJL

Like Rinaldo, Rosehill, Scott, Fehr, Bishop and Neuvirth just did? I seem to recall all those guys getting raises -- some significant.

Mason's the only guy that's taken any sort of real haircut.

The savings will have to come off the top, because that's where most of the savings will be had. You're going to see a lot of teams out of the running for top UFA's a lot earlier than usual because they just can't fit anything too significant under the budget. There's going to be upward pressure on middle-tier and low-end UFA's because a lot of teams will be scrambling for contingencies. Same thing happened after the previous CBA -- guys stopped making $10-12M but average salaries continued to climb.

Honestly, it remains to be seen if salaries begin to adjust. Teams are still going to overspend for top players. The players lower on the totem pole are the ones who are going to see the crunch.
- MJL

Yup. Top players like Perry and Getzlaf are getting more money per season because teams can't circumvent the salary cap with Parise/Suter/Weber-type deals anymore.

Yup. Top players like Perry and Getzlaf are getting more money per season because teams can't circumvent the salary cap with Parise/Suter/Weber-type deals anymore.
- Feanor

They're not actually getting more money, but the cap hits are certainly higher.

They're not actually getting more money, but the cap hits are certainly higher.
- bradleyc4

The league is soon going to realize that virtually nothing will stop the increases in salary for the star players. The Cap and new CBA provisions now force a team to play their respective player(s) top dollars, and most times over-priced deals, in order to keep them in-house. The rich teams will continue to have the upper-hand, while the poors ones will still have to fend for themselves.

The league is soon going to realize that virtually nothing will stop the increases in salary for the star players. The Cap and new CBA provisions now force a team to play their respective player(s) top dollars, and most times over-priced deals, in order to keep them in-house. The rich teams will continue to have the upper-hand, while the poors ones will still have to fend for themselves.
- Flyers_V88

That's why we have the seven-year reset program.

That's why we have the seven-year reset program.
- Scoob

We need to start relegating teams so STHs don't have to spend their money to watch crappy teams like the Flames, Panthers, Coyotes, lightning and Flyers.

Like Rinaldo, Rosehill, Scott, Fehr, Bishop and Neuvirth just did? I seem to recall all those guys getting raises -- some significant.

Mason's the only guy that's taken any sort of real haircut.

The savings will have to come off the top, because that's where most of the savings will be had. You're going to see a lot of teams out of the running for top UFA's a lot earlier than usual because they just can't fit anything too significant under the budget. There's going to be upward pressure on middle-tier and low-end UFA's because a lot of teams will be scrambling for contingencies. Same thing happened after the previous CBA -- guys stopped making $10-12M but average salaries continued to climb.
- Tomahawk

Rinaldo got a 206K raise. Rosehill got a 125K raise. That's peanuts. Guys like Giroux, the top players in the game, are going to get raises totalling millions of dollars. The Claude Giroux's of the League are not going to take the hit. Neither are the top Free Agents with teams bidding on them. This was one of the major topics of the lockout. The savings are not going to come off of the top. They're going to come from the middle tier players. They're the ones who are going to see less money.

Lot of good articles written on the subject during the lockout.

Yup. Top players like Perry and Getzlaf are getting more money per season because teams can't circumvent the salary cap with Parise/Suter/Weber-type deals anymore.
- Feanor

They're not neccessarily getting more money. But what they aren't getting is less money. So with the new rules, and top players still commnading top salaries. Their Cap hits are higher. Which in combination with the lower Upper Limit, is going to mean less money available for the middle class NHL player.

Rinaldo got a 206K raise. Rosehill got a 125K raise. That's peanuts. Guys like Giroux, the top players in the game, are going to get raises totalling millions of dollars. The Claude Giroux's of the League are not going to take the hit. Neither are the top Free Agents with teams bidding on them. This was one of the major topics of the lockout. The savings are not going to come off of the top. They're going to come from the middle tier players. They're the ones who are going to see less money.

Lot of good articles written on the subject during the lockout.
- MJL

like anything else, the middle class gets screwed

like anything else, the middle class gets screwed
- stayinthefnnet

let's say the pens win the cup and ride vokoun to the end. what happens to MAF after the season is over if you're shero?

We need to start relegating teams so STHs don't have to spend their money to watch crappy teams like the Flames, Panthers, Coyotes, lightning and Flyers.
- mayorofangrytown

I see what you did there.

let's say the pens win the cup and ride vokoun to the end. what happens to MAF after the season is over if you're shero?
- hammarby31

They are going to make MAF sell one of his first names.

let's say the pens win the cup and ride vokoun to the end. what happens to MAF after the season is over if you're shero?
- hammarby31

im honestly not sure. obviously vokoun isnt the long term answer, but what does that say about fleury? ive long been a fleury supporter, and cant stand that people ignore his past contributions. however, i seriously question whether the same guy is mentally there, or at the very least will ever be able to reappear in a penguins sweater.

i think at that point id just be grateful for a cup for a little and then take it from there haha

I mentioned this to you before. Salaries escalate over time. You can't buy a loaf a bread now, for what you paid for it in 2011. That's a poor comparison. What was market value in 2011, is not market value now. Hartnell took less then he could get on the open market salary wise, in exchange for the security of a longer deal.
- MJL

Everything about the Hartnell extension was in his best interest including timing of it, Flyers received no favors.

I like the player and feel that we need him.

Are we going to extend Cooter and Schenn this summer? Think they'd give us a hometown discount? I don't think their agents will be chomping at the bit to get deals done this summer.

Hi guys,

I see you are discussing the cap situation, and I wanted to look at the Penguins for next season. I am new to this stuff, but here goes:

http://capgeek.com/penguins

They have a cap space for next season at 7,876,667. They have the following UFA/RFA impending this summer - and yes, some of them are merely rentals, but still: Iginla, Morrow, Kennedy, Cooke, Dupuis, Adams, Jeffrey, Murray, Eaton, Bortuzzo. Who would they keep?

Furthermore, next year they have to resign(or let go off) Malkin. Also, they have Letang, who in my opinion, is up for a big raise.

To me it seems like there is very little room here. Am I wrong?

Everything about the Hartnell extension was in his best interest including timing of it, Flyers received no favors.

I like the player and feel that we need him.

Are we going to extend Cooter and Schenn this summer? Think they'd give us a hometown discount? I don't think their agents will be chomping at the bit to get deals done this summer.
- Just5

other than rare examples, there arent really any hometown discounts in this game. the pens will find that out when it comes time to resign letang.

Hi guys,

I see you are discussing the cap situation, and I wanted to look at the Penguins for next season. I am new to this stuff, but here goes:

http://capgeek.com/penguins

They have a cap space for next season at 7,876,667. They have the following UFA/RFA impending this summer - and yes, some of them are merely rentals, but still: Iginla, Morrow, Kennedy, Cooke, Dupuis, Adams, Jeffrey, Murray, Eaton, Bortuzzo. Who would they keep?

Furthermore, next year they have to resign(or let go off) Malkin. Also, they have Letang, who in my opinion, is up for a big raise.

To me it seems like there is very little room here. Am I wrong?
- Bearintheforest

not at all. going to be very tight. in my opinion, it all comes down to letang. iginla and morrow will both be able to get much more elsewhere, so they can leave if that is the case. hopefully malkin will not require too much more of a raise. letang however, will likely nearly double his salary

im honestly not sure. obviously vokoun isnt the long term answer, but what does that say about fleury? ive long been a fleury supporter, and cant stand that people ignore his past contributions. however, i seriously question whether the same guy is mentally there, or at the very least will ever be able to reappear in a penguins sweater.

i think at that point id just be grateful for a cup for a little and then take it from there haha
- stayinthefnnet

there's no question he's been a disaster in the playoffs since the cup. hard to imagine him significantly contributing to their playoff run at this point, but you never know. i don't know what's in the pens pipeline (aside from hartzell, but he can't be counted on to step in and be ready next season), but i'd think hard about moving on from fleury. i can see a trade or even a buyout. don't know if he's close to crosby or not, but if he is, sid's lobbying could go a long way to keeping him there.

Everything about the Hartnell extension was in his best interest including timing of it, Flyers received no favors.

I like the player and feel that we need him.

Are we going to extend Cooter and Schenn this summer? Think they'd give us a hometown discount? I don't think their agents will be chomping at the bit to get deals done this summer.
- Just5

No offense or anything, but I dont know why the Flyers would rush to give Brayden Schenn an extension. The kid has that magic lala land potential, but has shown basically poop in his NHL career.

He needs to improve his game, and have a better season. Then give him an extension if he deserves it. Just my thoughts.

other than rare examples, there arent really any hometown discounts in this game. the pens will find that out when it comes time to resign letang.
- stayinthefnnet

yep thats what I'm emphasizing

let's say the pens win the cup and ride vokoun to the end. what happens to MAF after the season is over if you're shero?
- hammarby31

If I'm me, I buy him out.

If I'm Ray Shero, I go in to next season with a clean slate and say MAF is my starting goaltender.

No offense or anything, but I dont know why the Flyers would rush to give Brayden Schenn an extension. The kid has that magic lala land potential, but has shown basically poop in his NHL career.

He needs to improve his game, and have a better season. Then give him an extension if he deserves it. Just my thoughts.
- flyer_nutter

I would extend him this summer, at 1.5 per because thats what hes shown. Hell if Subban gets extended at 2.75 Schenn is worth no more than that, so lets get it done.

other than rare examples, there arent really any hometown discounts in this game. the pens will find that out when it comes time to resign letang.
- stayinthefnnet

I would personally deal Malkin and keep Letang if I was Pittsburgh.

I would extend him this summer, at 1.5 per because thats what hes shown. Hell if Subban gets extended at 2.75 Schenn is worth no more than that, so lets get it done.
- Just5

Frankly I'd be more looking at whether I want to keep the kid around at all, instead of giving him an extension.

Aside from his World Junior contributions, he hasnt really impressed me in any areas of his game.

Just another forward that is sub-par defensively. Woooo!

yep thats what I'm emphasizing
- Just5

yeah exactly. even among the supposed discounts, its not as if they are playing for peanuts. yeah crosby could have gotten a raise on his 8.7 from any team in the league and chose not to, but its not like he was like yeah mario make it an even 6 per year and we will call it a day